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Old 19-07-2009, 09:28 PM   #29
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There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
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Originally Posted by flappist

The only difference of note is the number of suicides using firearms has dropped even though the actual number of suicides has gone up. (which means they are being used to kill OTHER people)
The link you have posted confirms you where wrong. The actual number of suicides has dropped every year since 1998.
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Originally Posted by flappist
It is interesting to note though that despite all of the gun bans the number of firearm related deaths and injuries in Australia has not changed.
The link you have posted is an analysis of statistical data, it is not a scientific finding. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
To obtain a scientific answer we would need a parallel universe where we had the same Australia but no gun buy back scheme. Then we would have something to compare our Australia with, that did have the gun buy back scheme, .

You can not say,"despite all of the gun bans the number of firearm related deaths and injuries in Australia has not changed", because you can not know what would have happened without them.

The OP was talking "Proactive Vs. Reactive". Without knowing what would have happened in Australia with no buy back, we can not say if it was proactive or reactive.

The middle ground will depend on your point of view. Some had the opinion the buy back went to far, others not far enough, so I guess the status quo is near the middle.
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