Details firm on Ford’s Ranger PHEV

[XR Martin]

Everyone here is still forgetting resale.
Real buyers including fleets do look at this, especially when it comes to leasing.
Doesn't matter if you're paying an extra $20k if you know you'll get that back and more at the end.
Only fools with no financial sense only look at the purchase price when buying.

Resale of Chinese brands are still a very big unknown, and history shows so far that it's not great.

[au2000]

True.. but fleets go povo spec.. I'm yet to see a vicpol raptor divvy van

[XR Martin]

The majority of which would be still leased through a business with a residual at the end. The idea is the residual is close to the value at the time. The last thing you would want is a lesser value.
Some manufacturers offer guaranteed buy back, or new model change over at the end of lease. Chinese manufacturers do not offer this.
Very few people actually buy a new car not on a lease.

It would be quite possible a lease on a cheaper Chinese car could be greater than a more expensive traditional brand.
A $45k Chinese car may be worth $20k after three years, as opposed to a $65k Ranger being worth $45k.

[Rastas]

I believe I heard BYD offer a 60% buy back after 3 to 5 years on their models.

Move your China hating to the next goal post.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Everyone here is still forgetting resale.
Real buyers including fleets do look at this, especially when it comes to leasing.
Doesn't matter if you're paying an extra $20k if you know you'll get that back and more at the end.
Only fools with no financial sense only look at the purchase price when buying.

Resale of Chinese brands are still a very big unknown, and history shows so far that it's not great.

You're forgetting the lower operating costs. Paying for electricity is much cheaper than fuel. Resale needs to be viewed very differently with plugin hybrids with a significant range.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by kypez

You're forgetting the lower operating costs. Paying for electricity is much cheaper than fuel. Resale needs to be viewed very differently with plugin hybrids with a significant range.

All of which is 100% tax deductible for a business whether it's electricity or liquid fuel...and dealer service costs.

I priced up a new Transit Custom on Friday, with all options dealer wanted $66,500 drive away (inc gst) and thats full price before we sit down and deal properly, as I tend to always make a second visit and tell the salesperson I'm here to sign and pay if you are ready.

Trade-in on current 2017 Custom will be about $26K and has 181,000km or if I try to sell privately upto maybe $31K if I'm lucky. Current van has depreciated about 50% in nearly 8 years and I'll get a better Custom for about $40K, claim back the full gst amount of nearly $6K in the same quarter I take delivery but get one of the best-in-class vans in our market...

I had a rental LDV for 4 days mid Jan when my Merc van needed aircon work and a whole dash out , LDV only had 30K km on it but is was a loose piece of crap that was shamed by my Custom with 6 times the kays., yes it's a rental but wow it wasn't good...buy cheap knowing you're getting cheap....maybe that will change as I know Ford China built Fords actually have a very good quality rating compared to other Ford regions...

[Adamz Ghia]

Originally Posted by Rastas

I believe I heard BYD offer a 60% buy back after 3 to 5 years on their models.

Move your China hating to the next goal post.

Why is it China hating to bring up resale? Very CCP attitude you have there.

I’m interested in the buy back, but I can’t find anything on it, do you have a link?

[Rastas]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

Why is it China hating to bring up resale? Very CCP attitude you have there.

I’m interested in the buy back, but I can’t find anything on it, do you have a link?

I got if off one of the youtube reviews - sorry I watch way too many of those to pin point it - but it was def a 60% buyback guarantee after x amount of years .

[au2000]

More 2025 Ford Ranger PHEV details leaked

More crucial powertrain details for the incoming Ford Ranger plug-in hybrid have been revealed.

Homologation filings submitted with the Australia Government’s official vehicle approval body show that the highly anticipated new ute will carry an inline 2.3-litre turbocharged four-cylinder petrol engine, mated to a 48Ah lithium-ion battery pack and a 10-speed automatic transmission.

The total configuration will deliver 207kW, while the single electric motor will deliver 75kW, although peak torque – which is expected to be north of 600Nm – remains unconfirmed for now.

Despite the 23kW boost over the turbo-diesel V6 Wildtrak and Platinum variants, which deliver 184kW/600Nm, it still falls short of the BYD Shark 6 (321kW/650Nm) and GWM Cannon Alpha PHEV (300kW/750Nm) on power.

Body types have been listed as a dual-cab and cab chassis, meaning the Ranger PHEV will be able to accommodate a tray or canopy at the rear, unlike its rivals.

Aside from the new details, we do know that the Ranger will be offered in XLT, Sport, Wildtrak and Stormtrak trims.

Braked towing capacity will be the benchmark 3500kg, while a low-range transfer case and a locking rear differential will provide plenty of off-road capability.

Its battery pack capacity will be 11.8kWh, with Ford aiming to provide over 45km of electric range.

Once again, that falls considerably short of key rivals in the Shark 6 and Cannon Alpha PHEV, which provide a claimed 100km and 110km, respectively. Ford does, however, justify its figure by stating that the average Ranger customer travels less than 50km per day.

The Shark 6 also only provides 2500kg of braked towing, while the Ranger PHEV will more than double the Cannon Alpha PHEV’s vehicle-to-load output of 3.3kW at 6.9kW, meaning it will be able to handle more energy-intensive appliances while camping or on the job site.

Pricing remains unconfirmed, although Ford has previously stated it is aiming for a starting price below the $70,000 mark to rival the Shark 6 at $57,900, before on-road costs, and the Cannon Alpha PHEV at $63,990, drive-away.

Expect more details as the Ranger PHEV’s mid-2025 launch date edges closer.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by au2000

More 2025 Ford Ranger PHEV details leaked

More crucial powertrain details for the incoming Ford Ranger plug-in hybrid have been revealed.

Homologation filings submitted with the Australia Government’s official vehicle approval body show that the highly anticipated new ute will carry an inline 2.3-litre turbocharged four-cylinder petrol engine, mated to a 48Ah lithium-ion battery pack and a 10-speed automatic transmission.

The total configuration will deliver 207kW, while the single electric motor will deliver 75kW, although peak torque – which is expected to be north of 600Nm – remains unconfirmed for now.

Despite the 23kW boost over the turbo-diesel V6 Wildtrak and Platinum variants, which deliver 184kW/600Nm, it still falls short of the BYD Shark 6 (321kW/650Nm) and GWM Cannon Alpha PHEV (300kW/750Nm) on power.

Body types have been listed as a dual-cab and cab chassis, meaning the Ranger PHEV will be able to accommodate a tray or canopy at the rear, unlike its rivals.

Aside from the new details, we do know that the Ranger will be offered in XLT, Sport, Wildtrak and Stormtrak trims.

Braked towing capacity will be the benchmark 3500kg, while a low-range transfer case and a locking rear differential will provide plenty of off-road capability.

Its battery pack capacity will be 11.8kWh, with Ford aiming to provide over 45km of electric range.

Once again, that falls considerably short of key rivals in the Shark 6 and Cannon Alpha PHEV, which provide a claimed 100km and 110km, respectively. Ford does, however, justify its figure by stating that the average Ranger customer travels less than 50km per day.

The Shark 6 also only provides 2500kg of braked towing, while the Ranger PHEV will more than double the Cannon Alpha PHEV’s vehicle-to-load output of 3.3kW at 6.9kW, meaning it will be able to handle more energy-intensive appliances while camping or on the job site.

Pricing remains unconfirmed, although Ford has previously stated it is aiming for a starting price below the $70,000 mark to rival the Shark 6 at $57,900, before on-road costs, and the Cannon Alpha PHEV at $63,990, drive-away.

Expect more details as the Ranger PHEV’s mid-2025 launch date edges closer.

That will be a big ask to get more than 45km range out of an 11.8kw battery

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by kypez

You're forgetting the lower operating costs. Paying for electricity is much cheaper than fuel. Resale needs to be viewed very differently with plugin hybrids with a significant range.

With the emphasis on "significant range"

[kypez]

Originally Posted by PooDog

With the emphasis on "significant range"

Yes. Totally. 45 kms is not significant range.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by kypez

Yes. Totally. 45 kms is not significant range.

Real world will probably be more like 35 kms at a push I reckon

[whynot]

This ad for European Range PHEV appears on my YouTube feed today. Mainly advertising fluff, but it does confirm a few details.

[Hulsty]

Surely that article is a balls up, 2.3L in the Amarok makes 222kw, how can the combined Petty+ Electric make a pathetic 207kw? Thats one thing the Chinese utes have going for the, finally acceptable power outputs, similarly the petty Raptor.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Real world will probably be more like 35 kms at a push I reckon

So a huge spend on the extra hybrid hardware, but not really useable as an EV. The only benefit is the slight improvement in urban milage. Hardly worth the investment. Not much payback by the time you flog it and get a new one.

[naddis01]

Originally Posted by Hulsty

Surely that article is a balls up, 2.3L in the Amarok makes 222kw, how can the combined Petty+ Electric make a pathetic 207kw? Thats one thing the Chinese utes have going for the, finally acceptable power outputs, similarly the petty Raptor.

207kw for the engine and 75kw for the motor.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by b0son

So a huge spend on the extra hybrid hardware, but not really useable as an EV. The only benefit is the slight improvement in urban milage. Hardly worth the investment. Not much payback by the time you flog it and get a new one.

One might see a benefit of being able to get turbo petrol with acceptable fuel economy and superior drivability and performance to diesel Thai specials.
If it performs in the real world, it will probably take a decent test drive for buyers to realise this.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by smoo

it will probably take a decent test drive for buyers to realise this.

hopefully the dealers push this. much as we all love the Barra, the ecoboost falcon was an unsung hero, but nobody ever even gave it a go :(

[hackney]

Originally Posted by simon varley

hopefully the dealers push this. much as we all love the Barra, the ecoboost falcon was an unsung hero, but nobody ever even gave it a go :(

I did! Use to own a G6E Ecoboost.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by hackney

I did! Use to own a G6E Ecoboost.

Same. Had the G6E EcoBoost. Best Falcon (non V8) that I've ever owned. Shouldn't have sold it!

[kypez]

Originally Posted by b0son

So a huge spend on the extra hybrid hardware, but not really useable as an EV. The only benefit is the slight improvement in urban milage. Hardly worth the investment. Not much payback by the time you flog it and get a new one.

You'll never really run it on EV only mode. As I discussed earlier when comparing to the Chinese utes that use electric motors instead of drive by ICE, the Ranger will have only 75kw available to drive the car which will be painfully slow. Maybe when it's cruising but off the line, it would just be awful

That 45 kms is just marketing spin.

[simon varley]

there are 2 reasons that this car exists.

1. European emissions
2. European emissions

a bonus for us is V2L technology but that's all

[whynot]

Originally Posted by kypez

You'll never really run it on EV only mode. As I discussed earlier when comparing to the Chinese utes that use electric motors instead of drive by ICE, the Ranger will have only 75kw available to drive the car which will be painfully slow. Maybe when it's cruising but off the line, it would just be awful

That 45 kms is just marketing spin.

Hey kypez, I thing it depends a lot on the use case. Back when I was doing the daily commute into work, back and forth along Gympie Rd in bumper to bumper traffic, my Outlander PHEV would happily shuffle along at times without ever troubling the ICE the entire trip. That was a 40 km round trip from home to work and back. And there was heaps of Prado, Hilux, Ranger, and the odd Everest in the office car park that I suspect were doing similar runs.

Another use case that might tilt the maths is that the V2L makes quite a bit of 12V auxiliary kit for camping redundant. For example, in this YouTube video, the owner dropped $13,757 putting in solar cells on the roof, auxiliary batteries, and a 240V inverter. All for a measly 4.8 kWh of capacity. Probably took 100 kg out of the load carrying capacity as well, and lost quite a bit of cargo space as well.

Instead of putting that money towards 12V auxiliary power supply, that could be used to offset the additional cost of the Ranger PHEV purchase.

Sure, $100K for a Ranger PHEV is a lot of money ... but if there are customers willing to pay, then why not tap that market?

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by whynot

Hey kypez, I thing it depends a lot on the use case. Back when I was doing the daily commute into work, back and forth along Gympie Rd in bumper to bumper traffic, my Outlander PHEV would happily shuffle along at times without ever troubling the ICE the entire trip. That was a 40 km round trip from home to work and back. And there was heaps of Prado, Hilux, Ranger, and the odd Everest in the office car park that I suspect were doing similar runs.

Another use case that might tilt the maths is that the V2L makes quite a bit of 12V auxiliary kit for camping redundant. For example, in this YouTube video, the owner dropped $13,757 putting in solar cells on the roof, auxiliary batteries, and a 240V inverter. All for a measly 4.8 kWh of capacity. Probably took 100 kg out of the load carrying capacity as well, and lost quite a bit of cargo space as well.

Instead of putting that money towards 12V auxiliary power supply, that could be used to offset the additional cost of the Ranger PHEV purchase.

Sure, $100K for a Ranger PHEV is a lot of money ... but if there are customers willing to pay, then why not tap that market?

Is this what you expect from a modern day Ford?.. Average spec (at best) - average performance, - average reliability - for an above average price....
I guess it will make me appreciate the old AU

[whynot]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Is this what you expect from a modern day Ford?.. Average spec (at best) - average performance, - average reliability - for an above average price....
I guess it will make me appreciate the old AU

Here is an alternate view of spec, performance, and reliability ...

(Yeah, I get it is from an influencer. But, still, shows the capabilities of the current crop of 4WD.)

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by whynot

Here is an alternate view of spec, performance, and reliability ...

(Yeah, I get it is from an influencer. But, still, shows the capabilities of the current crop of 4WD.)

The V6 looks the way to go but 83k kiwi for a Ranger Wild track..... Gulp

[kevino]

That’s a lot of kiwi dollars
You d think only well paid people could afford that including fuel tanker drivers.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by kevino

That’s a lot of kiwi dollars
You d think only well paid people could afford that including fuel tanker drivers.

True that, trouble is there's a lot of other things to spend your hard earned on too

Took the old Triton in for a service 95k valve clearances etc, got offered a new Triton 2wd, in silver only for 42k... Nearly half the price of a V6 Wild track, nearly 50k with all the extras..... Yeah Nah