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21-02-2009, 01:40 AM | #1 | ||
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FRANKFURT — Saab, the Swedish maker of road-hugging sports cars and sedans, filed for bankruptcy on Friday as part of sweeping restructuring plan by its parent, the General Motors Corporation.
Saab, which G.M. said would become an independent business by 2010, went to a Swedish court for protection from its creditors, and said the company would — with assistance from the Swedish government — reorganize to pave the way for private investors to buy all or part of it. Saab’s application for bankruptcy was later approved by the Swedish courts. “We explored and will continue to explore all available options for funding and/or selling Saab, and it was determined a formal reorganization would be the best way to create a truly independent entity that is ready for investment,” the managing director of Saab, Jan-Ake Jonsson, said in a statement. Saab also said that the company “would continue to operate as usual.” But in the hours after the filing, it was unclear whether the Swedish government would support the company, with government officials seeming to rule out financial assistance as part of what Saab said would be a three-month process of retrenchment. “Support in the form of money is not on the agenda,” a spokesman for the industry ministry, Hakan Lind said, according to Reuters. Saab lost about 3 billion Swedish crowns or $343 million in 2008 and said it would lose a similar amount this year. But the immediate cause of the filing was G.M., which decided to shed the Saab brand, as part of are structuring that will see massive job cuts and closure of several brands in exchange for access to government cash. G.M. acquired a majority of Saab in 1990 and bought up the rest a decade later. But the company has been dogged by losses, despite widespread acclaim for its products. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/21/bu...ss/21saab.html |
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21-02-2009, 10:54 AM | #2 | ||
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wow, changing world. Sayonara Saab. Next I guess FIAT will want to 'technical Partner' with SAAB so they can offer small Saabs and big Fiats.
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Buying out Chrysler, to my understanding..........
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22-02-2009, 02:12 PM | #7 | ||
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I can't see how they could sell Opel, if they can sell them then they can easily sell Holden too.
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They can sink into history, no loss, or China can have them. Bit like Jag with FORD, GM never made a dime from them. |
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For me, Saab is no loss. I have never understood the point of them, I have driven them and hated the experience, they're not a premium car, yet not an el cheapo, they don't really fit in anywhere. The new 9-5 does absolutely nothing for me and the inside of it looks horrible.
Sucks for the workers, but let the name go... Just my 2c... |
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21-02-2009, 11:06 AM | #12 | ||
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Sad news.
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21-02-2009, 12:06 PM | #13 | ||
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Not good, but watch this space, surely their will be more to come.
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21-02-2009, 12:51 PM | #14 | ||
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pathetic excuse for a auto manufacturer, if you continue to make boring old cars with dull designs this is the end result you get, good riddance i say
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I reckon, in the last 25 years they have just had continual facelifts....
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I cant remember ever seeing a saab i liked the look of . Happy to be proven wrong
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08-03-2010, 06:42 PM | #22 | ||
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[QUOTE=z80]Here you go....my missus' 40th birthday present.
Looks good, goes well and an absolute bargain. I thought along those lines, till average finish, average performance and HUGE resale devaluation made me think I should have just walked behind it ripping up $100 bills - close to 80% in 4 years |
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21-02-2009, 03:26 PM | #24 | ||
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Will GM Abandon Europe?
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/...temp_top+story The dismantling of General Motors' (GM) huge stable of global brands has begun. The company's Swedish Saab unit went into reorganization Friday, Feb. 20, preparing it for a spin-out from GM. At the same time, GM is exploring options for its German Opel unit, including a possible sale. When GM unveiled its restructuring plan to the U.S. Treasury Dept. on Feb. 17, company President and Chief Operating Officer Frederick A. "Fritz" Henderson said that everything is on the table with regards to Opel. Opel is Europe's fifth largest brand. A "Second-Tier Player"? The net result could eventually be a much smaller GM. That's true not only in the U.S., where GM is shrinking its archipelago of factories, but also globally, as the automaker pares away business units whose contribution has been minimal at best. Take away Opel, Saab, and some of the U.S. brands that GM is phasing out and you're looking at a GM that sells about 6.5 million cars and trucks a year, compared with 9.4 million in 2007 and 8.4 million last year. If GM off-loaded Opel—a big if—what would be left is a GM that retains its U.S. business while focusing its remaining global brands—namely Chevrolet, Buick, and Cadillac—on emerging markets like China, the rest of Asia, India, Russia, and South America. "Without Europe, GM almost becomes a second-tier player," says Joe Phillippi, principal of AutoTrends in Short Hills, N.J. Investors kept backing away from GM. In mid-afternoon trading, the stock was down 9.5% to $1.80 a share, giving the company a value of just $1.1 billion. Saab has already been given the ejector seat. GM has spun the company out and is negotiating with the Swedish government for loans to capitalize it. Meanwhile, the Swedish courts are trying to find investors to take it over and other creditors to give Saab more capital. If no new owner or investor group is found in three months, the company could be liquidated. That will hardly be a big loss for GM. Saab sold just 93,000 cars around the globe last year. The spin-out will mark the end of nearly 20 years of ownership by GM. The auto giant bought 50% of Saab in 1990 and the rest in 2000. Under GM, Saab rarely made money and GM could never really give it the kind of product and marketing muscle it needed to take it beyond a small, niche brand. Opel: No Buyers in Sight Selling off Opel would be a more wrenching divorce. Its headquarters in Russelsheim, Germany, does the basic engineering work for GM's global compact cars and midsize family sedans. GM would have to relocate the basic engineering of those kinds of models either back to Detroit or to its Korean GM-Daewoo operation. Plus, GM would lose the global scale for those models. Opel and its British Vauxhall brand sold 1.5 million vehicles globally last year, mostly passenger cars. GM hasn't lined up any possible buyers for Opel. Armin Schild, regional manager for the German metalworkers union IG Metall, who sits on the Opel supervisory board, said a sale to another carmaker or an equity stake owned by the German government are possibilities. "I wouldn't exclude any automakers," Schild said in an interview. "It could also be companies in [Central] Europe or Germany that could use the dealers and market positioning. We need such a business model." To be sure, GM may have the Opel business for a long time. Even though the company is open to a sale, its options are narrow. One investment banker who works on auto industry mergers says that there are no buyers for Opel right now, but down the line it could happen. Other Options German labor would welcome a deal if it helped guarantee job security. Plus, the German workers and managers have long thought that Opel was too tightly managed from Detroit. A divestiture of some kind "would give us independence from a company that was too centralized," says Schild. Opel's options could be less dramatic. GM is also looking at partnerships with other automakers and borrowing money from European governments. In its plan for Treasury, GM said that the company should be profitable in two years, but Opel's biggest problem now is liquidity. In any case, GM is exploring all options to raise cash and simplify its business. If GM can survive the downturn, it could emerge as a leaner, more focused, and profitable company. But a lot has to go right between now and then. And GM will certainly be smaller. |
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22-02-2009, 02:15 PM | #25 | ||
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Lol saab.
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Saab may be bought by Koenigsegg
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GM agrees on SAAB sale
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Some more on the sale
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Go Auto article on sale
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17-06-2009, 12:40 PM | #30 | ||
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There may be hope for SAAB now. They just need to go seriously upmarket, big time. Forget fighting off Volvo, Alfa, Lancia and the Frenchies. I just dont know if Konesenigggggggggggg will be able to raise the capital needed for a restrcutre, Id imagine they get the company for nothing, and GM will have to erase their debts, but from there...
They really need to do a Jaguar and start selling cars 100K plus, I rekcon they could find a profitably niche selling luxury convertables/roadster, something like the Porsche Boxster/Cayman. Use their platforms but with AWD and an emphasis on Turbo everything.
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