Eye for an eye punishment

g220ba · 16-05-2011, 10:40 PM

Very interesting story developing in Iran:

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'Eye for an eye' acid punishment postponed after outcry

May 16, 2011 2:01pm

The court-ordered blinding of an Iranian man as punishment for throwing acid on a woman who spurned him has been postponed, but heated debate over his crime and such "eye for an eye" punishments continues.

Majid Movahedi was due to be made unconscious in a prison hospital in Tehran on Saturday and acid was to be dropped into his eyes by his victim, Ameneh Bahrami.

Ms Bahrami, a engineer, was blinded and severely disfigured after Movahedi threw a bucket of acid in her face in 2004 for rejecting his marriage proposals. Movahedi was 21 when he assaulted her.

But Movahedi received an 11th-hour reprieve on Friday night, the Iranian news agency ISNA reported.

While Iranian authorities did not say why the sentence was not carried out, the country had been under international pressure to stop it from going ahead.

Groups such as Amnesty International argued that the sentence was "a cruel and inhuman punishment amounting to torture".

But others in Iran feared that "forgiveness", the other legal choice open to Ms Bahrami, would only encourage similar crimes.

"There's no doubt public opinion inside Iran has been stirred up," Iranian women's rights activist Asieh Amini told Time magazine.

"There's been a huge outpouring of sympathy for both of them, and this puts pressure on the government."

Ms Bahrami herself pushed for qesas - a form of retributive justice under Sharia law.

"I've suffered so much in these years but now I am really happy," the 7sobh daily reported her on Saturday as saying, Agence France-Presse reported.

"The verdict is completely legal and I would like to carry it out. But if it is not possible, then the physician designated by the judiciary will do it."

She also told BBC Persian television on Saturday: "I want people like him to know that they will suffer forever if they cause someone such suffering.

"I want him to be punished foremost. But if there are human rights considerations, then I'll accept €2 million and his life imprisonment," Time magazine quoted her as saying.

Iranian-American journalist Azadeh Moaveni wrote in Time that the young woman's case was a "unique dilemma" for Iranian authorities.

"Unlike many human rights cases which excite opinion primarily in the West, it has resonated deeply throughout Iranian society; the attention inside Iran raises the prospect of a public backlash at a time when the regime is deeply divided by political infighting."

Dr Jan Ali, a sociologist in Islam at the University of Western Sydney's School of Humanities and Languages, said the crime was a reflection of the unequal relationship between Iranian men and women.

"There seems to be an attitude among the men in Iran where women are seen as subordinate to men.

"What this highlights is that ... the man saw himself as a masculine male who can treat anyone [in any way]. Unfortunately in this case it happened to be a woman and he expressed a misogynist attitude towards a particular woman.

"Given the history of Iranian society where males have been dominant, I don't see it changing any time soon."

Amini said the legal options of either qesas or "forgiveness" placed Ms Bahrami in a tight spot.

"Bahrami must sit in the place of the judge and either forgive her attacker or take revenge. The legal system pushes her into a dead end, and it's really the law that's deficient here."

Ms Bahrami, who was 26 at the time of the attack, was not told of the postponement and found out about the change only from journalists, the BBC reported.

She travelled to Iran from Spain, where she had undergone 17 operations following the attacks, The Guardian reported.

"I couldn't believe it," she told the BBC after being informed of the postponement. "I think human rights activists are trying to stop me from carrying out the sentence."

It would have been the first time such a sentence was carried out in Iran, AFP reported, quoting 7sobh.

In December, an Iranian court ruled that a man was to lose an eye and an ear after he blinded another man and burnt his ear in an acid attack.

The month before, the Iranian Supreme Court upheld a ruling that ordered a man undergo the same "eye for an eye" punishment, after he blinded his lover's husband by throwing acid in his face.

Neither sentence is known to have been carried out.

In Saudi Arabia in August, a man was sentenced to have his spinal cord severed after he paralysed another man by attacking him with a cleaver.

But doctors charged with carrying out the medical procedure refused to operate on the man, saying "inflicting such harm is not possible".

The last known case where the "an eye for an eye" punishment was carried out was 11 years ago in Saudi Arabia, when an Egyptian had an eye surgically removed for disfiguring another man in an acid attack, the Daily Mail reported.

Everyone thoughts?

hiper · 16-05-2011, 10:55 PM

what the hell? is attacking someone with acid a common thing over there?

vztrt · 16-05-2011, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hiper

what the hell? is attacking someone with acid a common thing over there?

More common in Pakistan and Bangladesh...well I read more of it happening over there because the female wouldn't marry the guy who does it.

Also for anyone that is interested this is what the women looks like now.

Nic302ef · 16-05-2011, 10:55 PM

most old religions including the old testment and some parts of the new testement where it is "quoted" an eye for an eye, however if these people would read the whole thing not just use parts of a bible that suits there current state of mind etc, to get there way or form of punishiment in this case.

human torture is just plain barbaric,

Airmon · 19-05-2011, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nic302ef

most old religions including the old testment and some parts of the new testement where it is "quoted" an eye for an eye, however if these people would read the whole thing not just use parts of a bible that suits there current state of mind etc, to get there way or form of punishiment in this case.

human torture is just plain barbaric,

Doubt they've read much of the New or Old Testaments in Iran.

Jim Goose · 16-05-2011, 11:07 PM

Sounds like the punishment fits the crime... but somehow i think it wont happen due to political pressures both internally and externally.

93EB_SXR6 · 16-05-2011, 11:10 PM

Coward.

Work Horse · 17-05-2011, 12:41 AM

An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.
Mohandas Gandhi

I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.
Mohandas Gandhi

Windsor220 · 17-05-2011, 12:46 AM

I read this story on my phone yesterday I think it was. Then when I looked it up on google discovered how old it was.

From 2008
http://articles.cnn.com/2008-12-14/w...er?_s=PM:WORLD

Ford_The_Win · 17-05-2011, 01:02 AM

What is this, the 12th century? It's a backwards punishment for a backwards society... it's unreal how they live in mediaeval times over there. Our adversarial system isn't perfect but I will stick with it I think.

MexicanBatman · 17-05-2011, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Windsor220

I read this story on my phone yesterday I think it was. Then when I looked it up on google discovered how old it was.

From 2008
http://articles.cnn.com/2008-12-14/w...er?_s=PM:WORLD

LOL and in other late breaking news, man walks on the moon... I love how stories get recycled

Good detective work

Geez Louise · 17-05-2011, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Work Horse

An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.
Mohandas Gandhi

I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.
Mohandas Gandhi

Two of my all time favourite quotes. I repeat the top one often in conversations when people start talking about punishments. We can learn a lot from past mistakes and yet we still keep making them...

LTDHO · 20-05-2011, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Work Horse

An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.
Mohandas Gandhi

I thought the same thing.

Mr Hardware · 20-05-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Work Horse

An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.
Mohandas Gandhi

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

I thought the same thing.

I came into this thread just to post this.

Also, a far better Judicial Remedy is self-honoured Restitution

Fireblade · 20-05-2011, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

I came into this thread just to post this.

Also, a far better Judicial Remedy is self-honoured Restitution

Bet you wouldn't say that if your wife was raped and beaten, or they molested your child.

Sorry harsh example I know, but show me a man that wouldn't want to have a hands on retribution with the perpetrator. Money couldn't fix this, and I would be sure as hell that my retribution would fit the crime.

Whitey-AMG · 20-05-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by F6 FOON

Bet you wouldn't say that if your wife was raped and beaten, or they molested your child.

Sorry harsh example I know, but show me a man that wouldn't want to have a hands on retribution with the perpetrator. Money couldn't fix this, and I would be sure as hell that my retribution would fit the crime.

That's the crux of it isn't it.......

Its always a lot easier to pass judgement when you're twice removed from the situation..........however , if the ShIITE ever happened to you personally.......I wonder how many of us would find solace in the words of Mr Mohandas Gandhi ???

I'm with you on this one.......my retribution may not be the most legal way of resolving the matter.

vztrt · 20-05-2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ESP

That's the crux of it isn't it.......

Its always a lot easier to pass judgement when you're twice removed from the situation..........however , if the ShIITE ever happened to you personally.......I wonder how many of us would find solace in the words of Mr Mohandas Gandhi ???

People on here crack the sad's over far less. So I'd say Gandhi is substituted for Van Dam.

SEZ213 · 20-05-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

I came into this thread just to post this.

Also, a far better Judicial Remedy is self-honoured Restitution

I have one question, how do you possibly provide restitution to a woman who has been permanently scarred by acid? And who's life will never be the same again...

I'm not pro violence, or pro eye for an eye...but I am keen to know how this woman gets her 'life' back as it was before...the psychological damage of this alone, no money can remove that...

JC · 17-05-2011, 12:46 AM

Unfortunately, men like that are pigs - most of us have been "tamed", but in some cultures, the way men treat women is disgraceful.

FPVF6X201 · 17-05-2011, 01:12 AM

No different to the usual call for capital punishment here in Aus.

Some guy kills someone else and the immediate family almost always calls for CP to be reinstated.

If some moronic shiite killed your loved one, wouldnt you want revenge, a death for a death? I know i would, with or without the justice system.

**Dave R** · 17-05-2011, 02:05 AM

Wow, how can you go from loving someone enough to propose, to disfiguring them with acid because they declined. I say burn him!

SEZ213 · 17-05-2011, 07:53 AM

That poor woman...

Whilst I personally don't believe in extracting revenge, more a point that it drags you down to their level, I believe that the punishment should befit the crime. As a world, we really need to start taking responsibility for our actions. What punishment does he get for ruining her life? A beautiful woman disfigured by archaic and animalistic behaviour. 17 operations? I really do feel for her.

MAGPIE · 17-05-2011, 08:36 AM

He should be awake when they do it not unconcious

Yellow_Festiva · 17-05-2011, 09:25 AM

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He should be awake when they do it not unconcious

As well as pre-boil the acid, and do it in a public square for all to see...

Yes... we can all be lovey dovey and go against violence but these cowards do it because 1) It's seen as religiously / culturally / socially acceptable in their neck of the woods and 2) Most get away with it...

Gobes32 · 17-05-2011, 10:26 AM

This is why multiculturalism does not always work. Some nations are just so far reached from ours there is surely no hope of finding a middle ground?

Franco Cozzo · 17-05-2011, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

This is why multiculturalism does not always work. Some nations are just so far reached from ours there is surely no hope of finding a middle ground?

Totally agree

pottery beige · 17-05-2011, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

This is why multiculturalism does not always work. Some nations are just so far reached from ours there is surely no hope of finding a middle ground?

black fellas have been up to this sort of thing for years... only difference it may involve a spear and be referred to as 'pay back'.... i likes it.........

vztrt · 17-05-2011, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

This is why multiculturalism does not always work. Some nations are just so far reached from ours there is surely no hope of finding a middle ground?

There are plenty of anglo Australians who are pretty f'ed in the head and do atrocious things.

Ford_The_Win · 20-05-2011, 12:32 AM

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There are plenty of anglo Australians who are pretty f'ed in the head and do atrocious things.

But that's not the problem. There is a lot of truly horrific behaviour which is culturally entrenched and encouraged in the middle east. Some sects of Islam have a tradition where young males have their heads cut open with a blade and the more they bleed, the closer they get to heaven, it's called "Ashura day".

I wont embed the pictures because some people might find it disturbing - because it is!

http://www.allahislam.com/images/islamchildrearing1.jpg

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...a_lebanon2.jpg

302 XC · 17-05-2011, 10:27 AM

So if the "Eye for an eye" punishment was world wide implimented
Would people then consider a crime before its committed

You steal and burn someones car,it happens to you
You shoot someones dog it happens to you
Someone glasses you in the face, it happens back

Although youd think in this day and age , people are responsible
But its not the case,
People get away with alot more than ever before