Bringing your own oil...

Ives · 20-06-2006, 11:31 PM

Has anyone tried bringing-in your own oil when you service the car at a Ford? did they work out a deal and charge you a bit cheaper for it?

Free347 · 20-06-2006, 11:34 PM

If I wanted I could request a particular oil be used but never supply my own... voids service guarantee/warranty and they want nothing to do with it.

Teki04 · 21-06-2006, 01:22 AM

I took my own oil for the 2 services I had with my Fiesta - they were fine with it... as I took the recommended oil as mentioned in the Owner's Manual... as opposed to the Castrol GTX2 they wanted to use!

They also deducted a little from the bill as I supplied my own. The invoice even said "Customer supplied own recommended oil"

Ives · 21-06-2006, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Teki04

I took my own oil for the 2 services I had with my Fiesta - they were fine with it... as I took the recommended oil as mentioned in the Owner's Manual... as opposed to the Castrol GTX2 they wanted to use!

They also deducted a little from the bill as I supplied my own. The invoice even said "Customer supplied own recommended oil"

Did u get to see them adding the oil into the car?

(are we allowed to?) Cos when I take my Fez for a service I really wanna make sure they're adding-in the oil I'm bringing.

Teki04 · 21-06-2006, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by HyperKid

Did u get to see them adding the oil into the car?

(are we allowed to?) Cos when I take my Fez for a service I really wanna make sure they're adding-in the oil I'm bringing.

They give me the left over... and then check the dipstick! The synthetic oil is much lighter looking then the GTX2 stuff.

True Veilspade, the Aussie conditions after different - one more reason we should be putting the RECOMMENDED oil for the engine to perform at it's optimum performance. I'd also rather believe the germans in the manual.... then the aussie guy standing behind the counter at the local service dept

joshf2 · 21-06-2006, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Teki04

True Veilspade, the Aussie conditions after different - one more reason we should be putting the RECOMMENDED oil for the engine to perform at it's optimum performance. I'd also rather believe the germans in the manual.... then the aussie guy standing behind the counter at the local service dept

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Originally Posted by Motor Oil Bible

The first number (the "5" in 5w30) is only a relative number which basically indicates how easily it will allow an engine to "turn over" at low temperatures. It is NOT a viscosity reference. In other words, a
10w30 is NOT a 10 weight oil in cold temperatures and a 30 weight oil in warm temperatures.
If a 10w30 was a 30 weight oil at 100 degrees C and a 10 weight oil at cold temperatures, that would mean it "thinned out" as the temperature dropped. That just doesn't make any sense considering what we know about liquids. It just doesn't happen like that.
The fact is that a 5w30 motor oil is thicker in cold temperatures than in warm temperatures. However, a 5w30 motor oil will be thinner than a 10w30 motor oil when subjected to the same low temperature conditions - because the "W" number is lower. This is an indication of better cold weather performance.
In other words, a 5w30 flows better in cold weather than a 10w30 motor oil will.

hope thats not too complicated for some of you kids

so the fact is, that unless you live in at thredbo, theres no real difference in putting 5w30 (which is what the manual recommends) and, say, a 10w30 oil. in fact, the 10w30 would more likely be better as it is thicker when cold, providing more protection at start-up.

cArSiK · 01-07-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Teki04

I took my own oil for the 2 services I had with my Fiesta - they were fine with it... as I took the recommended oil as mentioned in the Owner's Manual... as opposed to the Castrol GTX2 they wanted to use!

They also deducted a little from the bill as I supplied my own. The invoice even said "Customer supplied own recommended oil"

hey mate , just wondering what dealer in sydney do you go to??

Teki04 · 01-07-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cArSiK

hey mate , just wondering what dealer in sydney do you go to??

Jubilee Ford, Five Dock - Great rap from me. Never delayed me in leaving the car there... and always had it ready on time. Rick Damelian on the other hand have me wait 20 minutes before giving them the car, and never get things right the first time.

LethalLeigh · 21-06-2006, 02:15 AM

I'm a little shocked that Ford would simply put in GTX2 instead of the recommended type.

Teki04 · 21-06-2006, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by LethalLeigh

I'm a little shocked that Ford would simply put in GTX2 instead of the recommended type.

My local dealer explained that the oil asked for in the Manual was for the european conditions of snow and cold weather.... pffffft yea sure - cost cutting is more like it

robjh80 · 21-06-2006, 09:15 AM

I just took my Fez in for it's 3000km "complimentary" service yesterday and was surprised to find out that they didn't even change the oil, so what was the point of me driving around for the past 2 months looking at a Valvoline oil sticker stuck on the windscreen stating that the next oil change was due at 3000km?,........oh and they also forgot to stamp the book, had to go back again and get that done.........thats the last time Ford will ever see my car for any servicing work......I just wanted to get the 3000km one out of the way.....from now on it's off to my brother-in-law, he's been an A grade mechanic for the past 30 odd years and an absolute perfectionist, I will now have the peace of mind that the job is actually getting done properly, and yes I will be providing my own oil.........."Mobil 1",...... not Fords "she'll be right mate GTX2 blend!!"

murcod · 21-06-2006, 04:15 PM

The first oil change for most (all?) new Fords is 15000km! Most other manufacturers are the same now too.

robjh80 · 21-06-2006, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mondeost24

The first oil change for most (all?) new Fords is 15000km! Most other manufacturers are the same now too.

All true....unfortunately it's also way too long between oil changes.
Any "good" motor mechanic worth his salt will pretty much tell you to ignore the "fairytale story book" (aka: Service Manual), and that the oil should ultimately be changed around every 5000km if you want to keep your car in tip top shape, "any car that is, not just a Ford".........15000km between oil changes is leaving you open to untimely engine wear and possible failure, I know that I would much rather pay $20 for an oil filter and say $40 for a few litres of good quality motor oil thereby having the peace of mind that I was protecting my investment by providing the best possible protection from the time the vehicle leaves the showroom floor. I cannot for the life of me understand how people cough up $20,000 for any car, (which lets bear in mind is, as we all know, the cheaper end of the motor vehicle price scale), to then only start "Skimping" on the necessary fundamentals of vehicle ownership.

Veilspade · 21-06-2006, 05:58 PM

The 3000km service is a basic inspection of the car not a service (oil change and such) it dosnt need it.

European conditions differ from AU so he is right by saying that the oil is diffrent, diffrent viscosity for diffrent conditions, frankly if they put oil in my car for the wrong conditions id be more worried

Cheers

Veilspade · 21-06-2006, 07:44 PM

But the germans recommend oil for GERMAN conditions, hey I have used the same brand oil for ages, pretty much in every car I have had, none of them have been any type of performance car, so it suits the use and conditions in which I drive the car in

Pieoter · 21-06-2006, 08:06 PM

Guys look at the manual closly. It says 10w30 is fine to use and the only difference is that 10w30 isn't recommened for temperature under -30c so for 99% of the world it doesn't matter which one u use.

Teki04 · 21-06-2006, 09:06 PM

Isn't castrol something like 20W60? I remember it was something ridiculous and not even on the recommended list...

robjh80 · 21-06-2006, 09:14 PM

GTX2 = 20W-50
GTX3 = 15W-40
Magnatec = 10W-40

http://www.castrol.com/castrol/multi...tentId=6008545

Teki04 · 21-06-2006, 09:50 PM

Yea, so GTX2 doesn't sound like it should be recommended for the Fiesta....

Ives · 21-06-2006, 09:52 PM

There's that new Castrol EDGE (5W-30). 50 bux for 5 litres.

Teki has a good point :-

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Originally Posted by Teki04

one more reason we should be putting the RECOMMENDED oil for the engine to perform at it's optimum performance.

That's good enough reason for me to bring in any 5W-30 oil from any well-known company..... whenever I take my Fez up to Ford to be serviced

Teki04 · 21-06-2006, 09:57 PM

That was what I use/d - Catrol Formula R, now named Castrol Edge.

Great stuff!

Al... · 22-06-2006, 12:45 AM

my dealer uses the magnetic, so thats fine by me.... and really following the dealer sevice specs(1500kms), good or bad, its what they recommend. So really its ford who covers the product, if it breaks they fix it, and also if servicing with ford you are entitled to the extended warranties. if the car last 6 years with me........
As far as i am concerned, i will just follow what they want, service with them and leave the concern with them

robjh80 · 22-06-2006, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Al...

So really its ford who covers the product, if it breaks they fix it,

As long as they do in fact "honour the warranty" and dont try to "snake" their way out of all responsibility for the particular claim you're making at the time.
Iv'e heard of instances of this actually happening with Motor Vehicle Companies......and not just Ford, some of them just get out of doing the right thing by the customer for the most trivial of things they can find wrong with the car ("such as basic mods"),.....most of these things having absolutely nothing to do with the actual problem that the customer is claiming for at all, it's just a way of them getting out of the warranty claim.

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Ives · 22-06-2006, 07:20 AM

1500kms!!?!?!

u mean 15000kms?

Al... · 22-06-2006, 08:40 AM

oops...yeah.... you know what i mean, night shift will do that to you

kiwijohn42 · 22-06-2006, 08:43 AM

Heard good things about Motul oil. Anyone use it?

Dodge · 22-06-2006, 09:02 AM

i think 15k is too ,long for a first oil change, thats 1 yr for the average jo, im old school and change the oil every 6 mths at least, I can say that any of my cars may be over serviced but i have never had to walk home, except when old mac toyota burnt my new MR2 when they left a rag in the air box.

murcod · 22-06-2006, 11:31 AM

We've recently bought a new Mazda 6 and there's no way it will be waiting until 15000km for it's first oil change. At around 4000km it will be getting changed over to synthetic.

As far a Ford covering your engine under warranty and using "their" oil, it could pay to carefully read your warranty book. I believe things classed as "fair wear and tear" aren't covered- so if your engine loses compression from using the wrong oil (even if it's supplied by Ford) then I think you'll have no chance of then paying for a rebuild. That's unlikely to happen of course (the engine wearing prematurely.)

Don't forget Castrol no doubt give Ford big discounts/ kick backs for using their oils.... I always supply my own and have never had an issue with a dealership refusing to use it.

Pieoter · 22-06-2006, 01:47 PM

MondeoSt24 there is no reason unless you give your car a bootfull plenty of times to change your oil before the manufacters deadline. With synthetic oil there is NO reason at all to change before 15,000km. Modern engines are designed much better and use friction reducing materials so they don't need to be serviced aas much.

If you get your car serviced by Ford or any other authorised service centre ford will uphold your warranty. If your engine looses compression during the warranty period ford will rebuild for you.

Fair wair and tear covered such items as tyres, clutches, brakes etc things that generally wear out.

murcod · 22-06-2006, 09:36 PM

We agree to disagree!

A new engine and the first oil change at 15000km- not for me. Short trips and a lot of around town driving also warrant more frequent oil changes than 15000km (oil not getting up to temp.) As well as vehicles that do not cover a lot of km per year.

I wouldn't like to try claiming for a wear related engine fault. Classic example is the well publicised case of new engines that were burning copious quantities of oil- there's plenty of reading on how many problems people had getting those faults fixed. BTW there's more than one manufacturer who's had this problem recently. ;)