Moffat and Johnson names being damaged ?

sprint347dave · 22-05-2012, 09:03 PM

Allan Moffat and Dick Johnson are motor racing legends
...do you think the Moffat and Johnson names are being damaged by their sons,,,, steve johnsons lack of either winning a touring car championship or a bathurst crown in over a decade in V8s ,( not sure if he has won a v8 supercar race ),,,and James Moffat below average performance last year and the way he has started this year ....

Tomo1972 · 22-05-2012, 09:13 PM

Throw in Perkins and you are onto something.

MAFIA · 23-05-2012, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomo1972

Throw in Perkins and you are onto something.

And throw the young Richard in the mix too!

RASER · 23-05-2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomo1972

Throw in Perkins and you are onto something.

Yeah, thats a tough one, Larry is a genius, one from the old school, tipo bush mechanic, he could and would drive a faulty/damaged vehicle and still bring it home, sometime a winner.

Jack does not have it, bit like Alan Jones son, just because you are a son of a champion does not a champion make!

**Dave R** · 22-05-2012, 09:15 PM

Not sure about Steve, but I've always thought that James must be getting a free ride based on his surname.

**Luke Plaizier** · 22-05-2012, 09:33 PM

My answer to the OP question: Nope.

Lukeyson

Sep 97 EL XR8 · 22-05-2012, 09:40 PM

I don't think they are damaging the name, all you need to think about is Michael Schmacher and Ralf Schmacher.

You never think of Ralf.

I believe it will be the same for Johnson and Moffat

XRtowcar · 22-05-2012, 09:38 PM

James Brock and that hacker Steven Richards, crikey he only won Bathurst a couple of times.
Amateurs.
I'm sure anyone sitting in a V8stupercar has a bit better ability than you think.

Nikked · 22-05-2012, 09:38 PM

Nope.

wulos · 22-05-2012, 09:42 PM

Definitely NOT!!! It is comments, and questions like this one that do more damage than anything else.
For mine both James, and Steve are great competitors in their own right. Both have at times struggled, and no doubt both cursed, and loved the lineage into which they were born.
They are completely seperate people, & as such should be treated, and respected as such.

Would you condemn a man just because his father was a bad person?
To the same token should you expect someone to be better than the rest simply because of who their parents were??

pottery beige · 22-05-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by wulos

Definitely NOT!!! It is comments, and questions like this one that do more damage than anything else.
For mine both James, and Steve are great competitors in their own right. Both have at times struggled, and no doubt both cursed, and loved the lineage into which they were born.
They are completely seperate people, & as such should be treated, and respected as such.

Would you condemn a man just because his father was a bad person?
To the same token should you expect someone to be better than the rest simply because of who their parents were??

this...

wulos · 22-05-2012, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

this...

Are the Moffatt, & Johnson names being damaged by their sons...

pottery beige · 22-05-2012, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wulos

Are the Moffatt, & Johnson names being damaged by their sons...

no way.. never..

TC200six · 22-05-2012, 09:47 PM

I wouldn't criticise James Moffat as he has barely started his career in the main series. But I do think it's a little outrageous to say their fathers' names are being damaged.

**Polyal** · 23-05-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wulos

Definitely NOT!!! It is comments, and questions like this one that do more damage than anything else.
For mine both James, and Steve are great competitors in their own right. Both have at times struggled, and no doubt both cursed, and loved the lineage into which they were born.
They are completely seperate people, & as such should be treated, and respected as such.

Would you condemn a man just because his father was a bad person?
To the same token should you expect someone to be better than the rest simply because of who their parents were??

So why let the thread run? Its obviously a bogus question and pretty rude to familes that have done alot for the brand.

Bucknaked · 22-05-2012, 09:50 PM

Not at all.

wulos · 22-05-2012, 10:18 PM

exactly my point...;)

B-1B · 22-05-2012, 10:31 PM

Most definitely not!

Fiesta_Man69 · 22-05-2012, 10:35 PM

Is Bruno Senna damaging the Senna name? Of course not. The only person who can damage their name is that person themselves... For example Michael Schumacher is a legend but his decision to come back isn't doing his own name any favours right now, just maybe diluting the legend a bit.

dave351cid · 22-05-2012, 10:43 PM

its a whole different era now. a different type of racing to when the fathers were in behind the wheel. at that time the dads were the top of their game, now someone else is. so what , very rarely in any business or career does the offspring of someone hugely successful match the acclompishments of the parent.
but saying that, if brock-dick- moffat- etc were driving today would they be doing any better then their sons ???? nobody will ever know and most of those nobodys will even care.

4VCLEVO · 22-05-2012, 11:03 PM

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its a whole different era now. a different type of racing to when the fathers were in behind the wheel.

You got that right. These days there's only a second or two seperating the entire field in qualifieing.
On the weekend at Phillip Island, Mark Winterbottom qualified with 01:32:1320 and Steven Johnson with a 01:33:0660 and James Moffat with a 01:33:7291 .
It would be alot harder to race and win these days.

Mickxr8 · 22-05-2012, 10:45 PM

Not at all , there names are concreted in the `hall of fame` IMO , what there sons do carwise with there careers etc will never take promise over what there fathers did,, ( member of the 40+club so younguns might not get this)

vanman_75 · 22-05-2012, 11:13 PM

I never seen it as the best racing driver ...more as the best drivers in racing .there is always someone better than you and no doubt even in Dick and brocks days there could have been a better driver just watching who never got into racing .
The sons almost had it sorta pushed upon them in a way , dad owns race car ...boy will probably drive race car ...all top drivers with nothing to prove , but just be the best they can be , with all doing an admiral job ...

Wish my dad had a racecar ...always thought about it and really its a lot of dedication and cost , for little benefit ...f1 on the other hand , if I could ...well I would ...

Joe5619 · 22-05-2012, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sprint347dave

Allan Moffat and Dick Johnson are motor racing legends
...do you think the Moffat and Johnson names are being damaged by their sons,,,, steve johnsons lack of either winning a touring car championship or a bathurst crown in over a decade in V8s ,( not sure if he has won a v8 supercar race ),,,and James Moffat below average performance last year and the way he has started this year ....

Johnson yes... Steve is hopeless & should retire.

Moffat no... James did a FANTASTIC job last year, I dont know why you think he performed below average. Young dont just come in a start winning in the first year... This year as been disappointing by DJR Falcons are dogs

Big Bird 17 · 23-05-2012, 08:51 AM

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Johnson yes... Steve is hopeless & should retire.

Moffat no... James did a FANTASTIC job last year, I dont know why you think he performed below average. Young dont just come in a start winning in the first year... This year as been disappointing by DJR Falcons are dogs

Steve will never be looked at in the same light as his old man but the competition and quality of the cars is a lot different than in the group C and A days when there were a lot of uncompetitive cars racing and some only a few times a year at that.
I think it is unfair to say that he is hopeless,he probably should retire from a fulltime drive but he is definitely not hopeless.
I think Steve's problem has been that he has spent about 80% of his time in cars that have been uncompetitive and because of that he does'nt have that killer attitude and is too kind to his car.
I think when we look back on Steven Johnson we will remember him as a driver who was very consistent despite not always having a great car,a driver who was clean and very fair and a very good endurance driver.

aussie muscle · 23-05-2012, 09:47 AM

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I think Steve's problem has been that he has spent about 80% of his time in cars that have been uncompetitive

I think SJ's problem is he never left the nest. Dick should have sent him out to find his own drive with another team for a couple of years, not only to see how other people do things, but to also broaden his appeal. This should have been done when he was at the top of his game a few years back. He was improving steadily and could have gotten a drive with a respectable team.

He's spent 100% of his V8s driving career at DJR and i think he's getting the drive because he's related, not because of his talent and i'm sure most other people do too.

the others mentioned i think are just suffering from living in the shadow of giants.

svo supporter · 22-05-2012, 11:52 PM

They're racing in different eras....All are accomplished drivers....Doesn't matter whether the jnr's have won championships or bathursts or not....it takes a lot of skill to set up a car and control it at the insane speeds they're doing.

Tokyo Geoff · 23-05-2012, 12:05 AM

I'm with Joe5619 sadly. I had such high hopes for Steve but he hasn't come up with the goods and time must be running out. Moff on the other hand is still young and there is plenty of time for him.

Both are suffering from FORD not supporting DJR which is why I'm suspecting a change of car next year to something like... Mazda or some other Japanese marque

EB# · 23-05-2012, 08:04 AM

All the sons of the greats are OK in my book, win or not, go for it !
Keep an eye out, as there might be another Brabham on the block before too long.......

GTP owner · 23-05-2012, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by sprint347dave

Allan Moffat and Dick Johnson are motor racing legends
...do you think the Moffat and Johnson names are being damaged by their sons,,,, steve johnsons lack of either winning a touring car championship or a bathurst crown in over a decade in V8s ,( not sure if he has won a v8 supercar race ),,,and James Moffat below average performance last year and the way he has started this year ....

Is Sir Jack Brabham's name damaged by his son or grandson competing?

Is Carl Lewis' name damaged because his kids can't run fast?
Is Ned Kelly's criminal name lessened by his kids being good people?
Stupid thought, stupid thread