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24-10-2007, 12:07 PM | #1 | ||
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STUNG BY BIAS , ONCE AGAIN !!!
I'VE DONE IT AGAIN , FALLEN FOR WHEELS FRONT PAGE , ONLYTO BE DISSAPOINTED IN THIER BAGGING fpv , AND PRAISING HSV . sorry for the caps . they praise the efforts, FPV have put into the new COBRA . then test it on not much more than a dirt track , and bag it for pulling a slower time than they have acheived in a boss 290 gt . at the same time making a point that the 290 has never been a match for the HSV competition engine . they said they acheived a 0 to 100km/hr time of 6.4 sec, in auto, and 14.5 sec 400m . not exactly performance car numbers now . then they kinda make referance to the weather , and area they tried to run this at. flicking over a few pages i read about the new MALOO. NOTHING BUT PRAISE . . even with it's measly 500kg payload rating . the best thing though is its . staggering performance . 5.4 seconds to 100 . in a manual . then they have the hide to put brackets next to this ( ESTIMATED !!) WTF WTF WTF !!! i new i shouldn't of bought this MAG !!! : |
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24-10-2007, 12:23 PM | #2 | ||
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one day you'll learn lol
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24-10-2007, 12:26 PM | #3 | ||
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hmm saw that mag this morning to work. was gonna get it, but from what you just said, might pass lol. Hmmm, wonder why they tested it on a crap track.
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24-10-2007, 12:25 PM | #4 | ||
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mmm, i agree with you, wheels are getting worse. I hope Motor test the cars properly!
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25-10-2007, 06:21 PM | #5 | |||
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24-10-2007, 12:33 PM | #6 | ||
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Sorry , i must clarify . those numbers were acheived at fords you yangs proving ground. they claim the weather was patchy, and the time was limited to experiment with launch technique and manual shift points . they said they are looking forward to where they usually test cars at the ORAN PARK strip .
to me that is just another gimmick to sucker you in to buying thier next issue . F#^$% EM |
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24-10-2007, 12:37 PM | #7 | |||
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24-10-2007, 12:36 PM | #8 | ||
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24-10-2007, 12:43 PM | #9 | ||
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Thats okay, it'll make the owners happy when they're quicker than the "professional and experienced Wheels mag testers"
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24-10-2007, 12:44 PM | #10 | ||
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Well the B series is an old model these days up agaisnt the new VE, and we've known for years about the 5.4 Boss performance, another 12kw wasn't going to do much more.
I don't really think it sounds quite as critical as your making it out to be, and, it also sounds like it wasn't tested in the most ideal weather conditions, which they did in fact disclose from what you seem to be saying. |
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24-10-2007, 01:08 PM | #11 | |||
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24-10-2007, 01:23 PM | #12 | |||
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And 12kw/20nm in performance could easily be affected by weather, driving style/launch technique, tyre treads, tyre pressure, load weight, fuel on board etc. There really isn't any way to get an exact figure unless you take the average of many drag way runs over many days, weeks and months with different drivers. |
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24-10-2007, 12:59 PM | #13 | ||
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You had to post this now and not at 8.30 when I bought a copy. I havent read mine yet. Only bought it for the Cobra article aswell.
Wheels perfomane figure have always struggled against other magazines though. They used to struggle getting the 300kw GTS under the 14s bracket. |
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24-10-2007, 01:14 PM | #14 | ||
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Everyone knows the Boss 8 is slow. I would be suprised if anyone got under 14 seconds stock. The HSV are streets ahead in the V8 market, hence I drive an F6...
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24-10-2007, 01:19 PM | #15 | |||
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Infact in the February 05 edition of Motor (the mag that always gets better performance times) the BaMkII F6 Typhoon in excellent conditions only got a 6.40 0-100 and 14.64 0-400 (the Clubby in the test got a 5.83 0-100 and 14.01 0-400). Last edited by 5.4 GT; 24-10-2007 at 01:26 PM. |
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24-10-2007, 01:33 PM | #16 | |||
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Quickest GTS I've heard has run a 13.0.....(not sure of tranny)
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24-10-2007, 01:42 PM | #17 | |||
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If we go by magazine times which this thread is all about then it's another story as i've shown with the BaMkII F6s time. |
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24-10-2007, 01:41 PM | #18 | |||
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and yea, i refuse to buy those magazines. the pictures on the front do make it hard but!!
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25-10-2007, 09:25 AM | #19 | |||
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Its been argued many time before, but I have owned both, BA GTP and now BF Typhoon, and however sounding the worse, the Typhoon is miles quicker.
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25-10-2007, 09:26 AM | #20 | ||
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Perhaps somebody with more time than me could search for the thread.
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25-10-2007, 01:22 PM | #21 | |||
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25-10-2007, 08:25 PM | #22 | |||
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A manual BA2 is no different than a manual BF or BF2. The ultra quick straight line accelleration under 100km/h i.e. in first, second ans into third that the auto F6s (and for that matter the auto XR6Ts) demonstrate is due to them not dumping their boost during gear changes, something that cant be done with a clutch. On a circuit track the manuals are actually quicker than the autos. This has been demonstrated over and over again not only in magazines but also in the real world. Why is this? A manual changes gear (down and up) when you tell it to and not when a computer says so and a clutch can be slipped exiting a corner. |
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24-10-2007, 02:04 PM | #23 | |||
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funny you say this . the boys at the fpv drive day i did , that were driving f6s . couldnt believe the GT's . WERE FASTER FROM STANDSTILL THAN THIER F6'S. and virtuall not much in it all round . only after 80 km's hr was there a differance. |
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24-10-2007, 02:18 PM | #24 | |||
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24-10-2007, 05:33 PM | #25 | |||
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I get embarresed for GT drivers that line up next to VE 8's and F6's.. Unfortunate but true. Hopefully with the orion will come the 330kw promised and might put them back in the game, but I believe the F6 will be entitled to the crown second model in a row..... Just my opinion and I may be wrong. |
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24-10-2007, 05:47 PM | #26 | |||
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Out in the real world, with a few corners, some big differences in driver ability, and how easy the car is to drive quickly will have a large impact. Motor and wheels tend to look at the hundredths of a second difference in this speed or that, rather than how easy the vehicle is to use by an average driver. Remember, average means half are worse, and half are better - of course we are always better drivers than average aren't we?
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XA coupe 8.8sec @ 150mph http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...coupe+drag+car BA GT-P for the shed Mustang GT for the other half E3 chubsport - fully fat (and slow), sitting there waiting for me to get sick of it and sell it. BA XR6T for a daily NT Pajero for the bush XB 4 door project- swallows a BF xr6 turbo My dad is a generous bloke. He gave away his dead car batteries free of charge.... |
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24-10-2007, 01:33 PM | #27 | ||
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Did they go into the crash tests as the BA/BF got the same rating as the new VE so much for a safer car and another thing diffrent story thou on TV the Captive Diesal is 30% more economical than the Ford Territory but what about the fuel consumption of the Captive petrol it is a guzzler but they make reference to the Territory petrol not the Captive Petrol
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24-10-2007, 02:59 PM | #28 | |||
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"Oh yeah, Captiva Diesel is more efficient than the Ford Territory!" But.. the territory is petrol.. and a 6.. "Yeah, and the Captiva Diesel is more efficient!" Yeah but.. its diesel and a 4.. "Yes, Captiva Diesel is is more efficient!" What about Captiva V6 Petrol? "...Captiva Diesel is more efficient than the Territory!" I dont know why Holden is comparing the Captiva with the Territory, they're not even in the same class. But Holden wants to be competitive with the Territory, the car that has brought Ford so much success. And about the Wheels magazine, yeah I stopped buying wheels ages ago. I found their bias was a little too much for me. I buy Streetmachine and Just Parts and leave it at that. The covers are pretty, but so are the ones on the girly mags on the top shelf all wrapped in plastic. But I dont buy those. Resist the temptation, and you wont be so dissapointed.
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24-10-2007, 01:39 PM | #29 | ||
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Was much faster than a GT when stock, I know my mate bought a GTP at the same time I got mine. From standstill, F6 just faster till about 80k's then pull streets ahead through to speed limiter, in gear acceleration F6 lethally faster in any gear. After 1k mod to each, the F6 was in a different class.
Plus the F6's handle much better. Simple choice really unless your into the sound they make when the take off... The only GT I have seen that I would call performance has a S/C strapped onto it. |
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24-10-2007, 05:43 PM | #30 | ||
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[QUOTE=Blonk]Simple choice really unless your into the sound they make when the take off...QUOTE]
That's at the top of my list ! : |
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