Advice all on cancelling a new car order

Danny · 23-01-2011, 07:09 PM

Hey all,

Long shory stort, I've pretty much 85% decided to cancel my order on the Golf R.

Wait is too long, Performance of the manuals compared to DSG is a little Ho Hum, and I want something more hardcore.

Still not interested in 70+ for an RS Focus, am looking at taking a Megane Renaultsport 250 Cup Trophee off the showroom floor.

Now, Question is, The VW contract I signed promised a March delivery. That deivery is now been postponed until June, and some guys on the VW forums are already getting calls to postpone again to august.

They have broken the ETA time promise I signed for. Now can I get my deposit back if I cancel based on this? My Golf hasn't even recieved a build date as yet.

Cheers all

-Dan

flappist · 23-01-2011, 07:21 PM

Speak to a solicitor.

ratter · 23-01-2011, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Speak to a solicitor.

This forum is full of legal advice isn't it?

right or wrong it gets given all the time, well according to the poster it is always correct, it just may contradict what somebody else has posted that is also correct

bungarra · 23-01-2011, 07:26 PM

I know I cancelled a contract due to repeated delays in delivery. I had sort the advice of Department of Consumer of Protection in Perth, who gave the correct wording to use. I am not sure in Melbourne though.

Auslandau · 23-01-2011, 07:27 PM

Yes, really not much more to add. Will take 15 minutes for any solicitor to read the contract and cancellation faxed. Could give them a go face to face first and see how you go. Thats about it really

bobthebilda · 23-01-2011, 07:35 PM

Just chat to the VW dealer. I am sure with such a long wait time, they arent going to be too fussed about losing one order five months down the track. If the dealer causes any issues (they may not want to lose out on the sale), just say you will take it to VW direct. I am sure VW wont want it publically known that a promised delivery date of a few months, can turn into many more months. No point in resorting to a solicitor until you at least have tried the basics first.

**DJM83** · 23-01-2011, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Hey all,

Long shory stort, I've pretty much 85% decided to cancel my order on the Golf R.

Wait is too long, Performance of the manuals compared to DSG is a little Ho Hum, and I want something more hardcore.

Still not interested in 70+ for an RS Focus, am looking at taking a Megane Renaultsport 250 Cup Trophee off the showroom floor.

Now, Question is, The VW contract I signed promised a March delivery. That deivery is now been postponed until June, and some guys on the VW forums are already getting calls to postpone again to august.

They have broken the ETA time promise I signed for. Now can I get my deposit back if I cancel based on this? My Golf hasn't even recieved a build date as yet.

Cheers all

-Dan

Have you read the latest Motor mag and are having second thoughts Danny

In all seriousness id speak to your dealer first and foremost and if they wont come to the party, id go straight to VW direct. IMO that just simply isnt good enough.

Rodp · 23-01-2011, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Long shory stort, I've pretty much 85% decided to cancel my order on the Golf R.

I'd have a word and have them go through their manifest again. They do cancel as the R32 I bought a couple of years back was a cancelled ordered already on the ship (which still took 2 months to get here..). Perhaps someone else got jack of waiting and you can pick up their order.

If the car hasn't even been down the line yet and the promise date is March, I'm sure you have an out.

That 250 is a nice bit of kit, I might take a quick squiz at one next time I'm up for a car replacement.

**GazzF6** · 23-01-2011, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Hey all,

Long shory stort, I've pretty much 85% decided to cancel my order on the Golf R.

Wait is too long, Performance of the manuals compared to DSG is a little Ho Hum, and I want something more hardcore.

Still not interested in 70+ for an RS Focus, am looking at taking a Megane Renaultsport 250 Cup Trophee off the showroom floor.

Now, Question is, The VW contract I signed promised a March delivery. That deivery is now been postponed until June, and some guys on the VW forums are already getting calls to postpone again to august.

I think you should speak to them first and foremost, don't mention to them that you looking to buy anything else... Just say due to changed circumstances you are no longer able to make the purchase.

In most cases if the goods in question have not been taken, you can usually cancel and obtain your deposit back.

Evo X not on the shopping list??

They have broken the ETA time promise I signed for. Now can I get my deposit back if I cancel based on this? My Golf hasn't even recieved a build date as yet.

Cheers all

-Dan

**Professor Farnsworth** · 23-01-2011, 09:07 PM

Obviously when some people on here's friends told them to 'go nuts' over the NYE period, they took it literally.

Let's all stay on topic please, and stop the bickering/insults, it's very boring.

XR5-Boy · 23-01-2011, 09:25 PM

Best thing to do is to double check the contract and see if there's anything in there about date changes etc. It's a shame dude coz I know how much you were looking forward to that car.

SCXR5T · 23-01-2011, 09:44 PM

Cool.....

Ben73 · 23-01-2011, 10:11 PM

I drive a basic golf sometimes and it's great. I'd love to try out an R with a DSG.

But to hell with waiting that long.

When I signed the contract for my last car, I had a week as a cooling off period and was able to cancel the contract at anytime with a full refund of my deposit. But I am guessing you sign your contract a while ago???

I should of took them up on the offer to cancel mine, regret buying a slow POS everyday.

flappist · 23-01-2011, 10:17 PM

One of my mates bought a Golf R about 2 months ago. He has had it modded to what they called "stage 1".

It is VERY bloody quick....

Danny · 23-01-2011, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

One of my mates bought a Golf R about 2 months ago. He has had it modded to what they called "stage 1".

It is VERY bloody quick....

Sure are, DSG's are ripping 5.3 out of the box, while the manuals struggle to hit 6.5 (MOTOR got no better than 6.8). Seeing as how the one I ordered was a manual (I love manuals), it's just been another dissappointment. If I'd ordered a DSG, I may not be in this predicament, their potential is amazing, although I wanted a manual, and it seems that VW aren't all too interested in backing the manual variants anymore.

jpd80 · 23-01-2011, 10:53 PM

So Danny, how does the Megane 250 compare, still plenty of snort by the looks.....

Danny · 23-01-2011, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

So Danny, how does the Megane 250 compare, still plenty of snort by the looks.....

184kW to the Golf R's 188kW, so on a straight, the Meg RS will eventually pips the R Due to its lighter weight, Last months MOTOR had a great comparo which outlines this. The R is a touch soft round a track, but it isn't meant to be a hardcore thing like that which RS produces.

The Meg RS does about 6 - 6.3s 0-100, Golf R manuals are getting about 6.5 - 6.8. Both very easy to flash tune as well, but the Meggy handles like a balls out racecar on rails like all RS vehicles do (while the Golf pushes wide when you're up it), and I tell you now, down the straights both would still give the F6 a hell of a hard time.... Phenomenal cars, but the RS is pretty much won me over for the fun factor and the fact I won't have to wait. It's also cheaper

04redxr8 · 23-01-2011, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Sure are, DSG's are ripping 5.3 out of the box, while the manuals struggle to hit 6.5 (MOTOR got no better than 6.8). Seeing as how the one I ordered was a manual (I love manuals), it's just been another dissappointment. If I'd ordered a DSG, I may not be in this predicament, their potential is amazing, although I wanted a manual, and it seems that VW aren't all too interested in backing the manual variants anymore.

If you can't cancel the order completely, can you at least change the gearbox chosen? That shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't even built yet.

Danny · 23-01-2011, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 04redxr8

If you can't cancel the order completely, can you at least change the gearbox chosen? That shouldn't be a problem if the car isn't even built yet.

DSG is 2.5k more which pushes me from 58k to 60,500 which then means the government drops their lovely Lux Car tax onto it and that pushes the price up another 8 percent...

Besides, I can't change even so much as the colour of the car or VW say that it goes back to the back of the line.. :(

JC · 23-01-2011, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

DSG is 2.5k more which pushes me from 58k to 60,500 which then means the government drops their lovely Lux Car tax onto it and that pushes the price up another 8 percent...

Besides, I can't change even so much as the colour of the car or VW say that it goes back to the back of the line.. :(

But isn't that a good thing now that you want to cancel? Change the gearbox option, and when they tell you the wait, then ask to cancel because that wait is not reasonable.

Then you can go for the much more respectable megane.

Iggypoppin' · 23-01-2011, 11:16 PM

Dunno why anyone would badmouth one of these hot hatches. They're a handful and very fun to drive, coupled with awesome German engineering and are rockets around corners. You'll have the F6 for straights and the VW for corners....unfortunatly you are cancelling, but either hatch you choose will likely bring a similar smile to your dial.

XR6TCraig · 23-01-2011, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Iggypoppin'

Dunno why anyone would badmouth one of these hot hatches.

Isn't it obvious?

They have never driven one so don't actually know what they are on about!

That and the little willy thing!

chevypower · 25-01-2011, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Craiginmackay

Isn't it obvious?

They have never driven one so don't actually know what they are on about!

That and the little willy thing!

What about just not being interested in that style of car? But just because I'm not interested in riced-up girly cars, doesn't mean I am wrong for not liking them, any car can be made to go fast, irrespective of its size. The biggest killer for me, though...the prices quoted on here. $50k+ what the??? It just confirms that you don't get much car for the money either. So I like them even less now.

Call it "never driven one," "willy size," anything you want to defend what you like.....
Mustang 5.0 or hatchback? Hmmmm....

prydey · 25-01-2011, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

What about just not being interested in that style of car? But just because I'm not interested in riced-up girly cars, doesn't mean I am wrong for not liking them, any car can be made to go fast, irrespective of its size. The biggest killer for me, though...the prices quoted on here. $50k+ what the??? It just confirms that you don't get much car for the money either. So I like them even less now.

Call it "never driven one," "willy size," anything you want to defend what you like.....
Mustang 5.0 or hatchback? Hmmmm....

don't forget the prices quoted are landed in aus. we pay a fair bit more for our cars over here. not sure you'd get a 5.0 mustang brand new for 50k.

geckoGT · 25-01-2011, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

don't forget the prices quoted are landed in aus. we pay a fair bit more for our cars over here. not sure you'd get a 5.0 mustang brand new for 50k.

Mustang delivered in Aus and converted is $120k +, that makes $60k for a hot hatch really good value considering it will dust off the stang in anything but a straight line, carry the same amount of people, does it all on less fuel and has more creature comforts.

Why is it on these threads we constantly have to tolerate anti sport hatch comments? I bet if I jumped on here and said I think F series are a waste of time and money as well as only for those that have an inferiority complex (not what I actually think, just an example of my point), I would be shouted down pretty quick. Yet people that appreciate smaller performance cars constantly have to put up with these attitudes, regardless of if they are relevant to the topic or not.

The OP never asked for any comments on the merits of hot hatches in comparison to other vehicle types.

XR6TCraig · 28-01-2011, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

What about just not being interested in that style of car? But just because I'm not interested in riced-up girly cars, doesn't mean I am wrong for not liking them, any car can be made to go fast, irrespective of its size. The biggest killer for me, though...the prices quoted on here. $50k+ what the??? It just confirms that you don't get much car for the money either. So I like them even less now.

Call it "never driven one," "willy size," anything you want to defend what you like.....
Mustang 5.0 or hatchback? Hmmmm....

In that case just say "nice car but not for me". No need to go bagging out someone elses choices just becyou couldn't see yourself in one, and inferring that their choice is a hairdressers car, or a girly car, just because they aren't to your taste. Different strokes for different folks, but no need to hang **** on someone because they choose something different.

As for the hatchback vs Mustang, I can appreciate both and wouldn't count either out until I drove them. Rather keep an opened mind! know what would be more fun though.

geckoGT · 24-01-2011, 12:21 AM

Wow, talk about spoilt for choices.

As others have said, read the contract and get some worthwhile advice. Without seeing the contract I would assume the delivery date is mentioned on it, which if they can not deliver they have not fulfilled the contract.

I know of a person that ordered and paid a deposit on a BFII Super Pursuit and then cancelled the order when delivery was delayed to a point that was unacceptable to him. He got his deposit back and bought a BFII GT elsewhere.

I guess the big question is why the change of mind on the VW, is it purely the delivery time or is it the characteristics of the two cars and the Meggy is your preferred weapon?

If it just the delivery time, think hard because the wait could be worth it. If not, well go for it and get some good advice from people that really know.

Either way you are going to end up with a weapon of a car and I will be seriously jealous, you poor thing.

As for the hairdresser car thing, my Mini is stock, I am willing to put it up against any stock Ford Falcon on the Mt Cotton hill climb course. Trust me when I tell you the Mini will surprise you, these hot hatches fly and not only in straight lines. Any FPV I have driven would slide off the road if it tried to corner as fast as the Mini does (and my mates Golf GTI). Think about it for the moment, the renault megane RS has 184 kw, 340 nm and weighs 1380 kg. The fabled FG XR6 that so many recommend has 195 kw, 391 nm but weighs 300 kg more. That explains why the Renault is faster in both 0-100 and the 400 m. Hatches such as the Mini JCW, Renault RS, Golf R and Focus RS are not hairdresser cars, they punch way above their weight.

FgNewbie · 24-01-2011, 01:47 AM

geckoGT, don't know about the new Minis but I'll never forget a ride in a Cooper S in 1970. (No idea if it was stock or not). It was like a slot car on rails. Felt like I was sitting on them too. The adrenaline was pumping and the eyes were bulging. I've never been in another car that could match the speed on the same set of bends.... and I tried hard.

I drive a Passat occassionally, DSG is an interesting animal.

Danny, whatever you end up with... I'm jealous too. Enjoy

GULL · 24-01-2011, 02:41 AM

Man you cant go wrong with the rs megane,i had the model before with the big bum the F1 ,only 30 came to oz and it was a machine,the new rs is better yet again,test drove 1 few weeks back,very very nice machine,i do like the rs focus better but the extra $15 000 is not worth it.Most people not all dont get it,a hot hatch done right like the megane,golf,and the focus will eat most 6's and some 8's around a track in the right hands,sure the straights the hatch will try and keep up but on the twisties hatch is long gone.I bought my xr6t because i wanted the full on bang in a straight line,and the back side out around corners,when im over that i will go back to a renault megane

ltd · 24-01-2011, 10:36 AM

You can cancel your contract no problems. The question is however, will you have to pay compensation?
Have a look at the terms of the contract you signed and if it has exclusion clauses regarding delays of delivery, then you'll need to enlist the services of a solicitor to argue about reasonability of delays. In this case you may lose your deposit.

If it doesn't mention delays then you can ask for a refund as they (VW) have frustrated the contract based on their failure of delivery. Speak to the sales rep who sold it to you. If no joy there, speak to the dealer principal.