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Bathed In A Yellow Glow
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I work for a large window company based in North Geelong about 5 minuets from the old Ford site, we have had a few former Ford employees come and work with us. The job pays much less than they were used to earning but the people who can learn to live with that are still with us and have been a good pickup for our company, they have lots of skills and, in the most case, want to work.
Unfortunately a couple of people didn’t stay too long, either didn’t like the drop in money or (welcome to the real world), or kept saying things like ‘that’s not how we did it at Ford’s’ (these type of people tend not to last too long in my experience). I suppose the ones who stayed (and I) are lucky that the company will give anybody a chance regardless of age, sex, previous experience and even criminal record. It’s up to you what you do with that chance. |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Feb 2005
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By definition, the award rate is 'reasonable'. Their problem is they were somewhat spoilt and lost touch with how overpaid they were relative to equivalent workers outside the auto industry.
A friend of my dad's was a Qantas maintenance worker, and he was one of the first to be made redundant when Qantas first started offshoring its maintenance/engineering. He eventually found work, but he was on half the pay at Hawker that he had been at Qantas - for the same work. Lets not kid ourselves, these big companies with a heavily unionised workforce bear little relation to what workers get in smaller companies, and its little surprise when eventually these big companies cut costs by offshoring. By all means, make hay while the sun shines, but always plan for the good times to end eventually. |
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Thailand Specials
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Centrefold Lounge
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I'm the last full time employee at my workplace, everyone else after me are casuals, while I didn't come from Ford or the manufacturing industry its hard to find work and if you do its all casual now.
All our new production staff are labour hire staff as casuals, the decent ones may get offered a position directly with us, you've got one chance. Someone got the *** a few days ago when they asked for the wifi password - cya bro. The bar is much higher than previously, also having long term at the one place isn't a good look on a resume these days - you've got very limited experience and no ambition or drive and just happy collecting wages. We've been through 5 or so accountants in 2 years, useless wage collectors. Theres 120,000 people coming into Melbourne every year, plenty of choice for employers. If you're one of these people who operates like a yes or no flowchart where you lack initiative then the Centrelink queue is your career choice. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 15-06-2019 at 05:54 PM. |
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AKA "the other bloke"
Join Date: Jan 2008
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I'm part of the dying breed.. My dad spent 30 years with his firm, not due to lack of ambition, due to his loyalty. His boss treated him right so he stayed, it's a quality I picked up off him and 25 years later I'm with the same employer, yes I've moved about for them, changed roles, promotions etc, I just see myself as loyal, dedicated, I don't abuse my sickies, but I guess now days this is no longer seen as loyalty or dedication
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We've got two left with 20-30+ years, the majority of our production staff were older blokes. Too rigid in their old ways, refused to change so they all got shown the door. When a company identifies it needs a culture change then the long termers are the first on the hit list. The recruitment industry and our general manager say long termers aren't good employees because they've got limited experience outside of that companies system - they don't adapt to change. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 16-06-2019 at 10:44 AM. |
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yeah its funny how it can be seen, in my workplace, i'm referred to as a dinosaur .. no matter how much of the new ways i take on board, i still wear that stigma to the point that promotions for me now are done, I'm good enough to act in the higher roles in my workplace, hell i've even recently been passed up for 3 promotions in 1 month even though i've been in the role for almost a year & have been asked to stay on in it until january 2020, but heaven forbid when i interview i actually get 1 of them full time. what makes me laugh though is when in my workplace the new way of things does not work & they need to "fix" the issue.. guess who they come up to to sort out the mess & get the ship back on track.. so it leaves you in the position of .. do you stay, work hard, keep your chin up, be positive & keep at it thinking you'll be rewarded one day or do you leave, go somewhere else, start from the bottom again & re do all the jobs you did years ago cause you have to prove yourself all over again.. either way, in today's day & age, i've taught my son a new workplace value, Himself.
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And you believe this B.S. has nothing to do with change as most people do adapt to changes, think you will find the corporate world is getting too greedy wanting to pay peanuts and the sucks bow to them. Cheers |
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Get used to it bud, it's 2019 not 1979 so keep on skilling up and moving or one of Melbourne's 120,000 new migrants every year may do your job better than you and for less. All our oldies got forced out and we've not had dramas from any of their departures, a lot of knowledge left with them but that knowledge is captured in shared resources through IT infrastructure. |
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Sort of sad that the fixed knowledge gets the shaft, but it is what it is.
Anyone care to take an opinion on why productivity growth is so lacklustre? That one has been puzzling me as all the tech and interconnectivity should be sending it to the moon.
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Ahhh now I understand your reasoning, sorry ol mate the American ideology is not cutting the mustard here in this country, even the yanks are learning to go back to the old ways. What you stated nearly destroyed our company and now the new owner values the dedicated workers not some American B.S. policies. As for your migrant comment you proved my point. ![]() |
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Most of these people are earning less than they used to.
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37 years on and it makes me feel proud to have worked for the same boss....me. !
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Bathed In A Yellow Glow
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I don’t know anything about the car industry but I do about some other manufacturing environments and most of the companies I’ve worked for target new staff who have been employed by at least a few different employers as it means they usually have seen more than one approach to meet an end.
That’s invaluable when it comes to problem solving. It doesn’t matter that you’ve been required to do the same type of work by each employer or if your roles have varied, it does mean though that it’s unlikely you’ve become institutionalised where you can do the job with your eyes closed as the same problems and approach to them keep reoccurring. Age also didn’t play a part in selecting new staff, young or old if you showed a willingness to listen and learn, easily embraced change, weren’t offended if your suggestions to supervisory staff weren’t adopted, had an understanding your employment was a part of a bigger picture and most importantly showed you could get along with other employees then you’d breeze through your probation period and would most likely climb a small way up the ladder. Given that these companies usually filled positions outside of their current workforce to bring in new and fresh ideas it also meant to climb you needed to be prepared to sell your skills to other employers to gain the experience many companies look for. A change of employer for some people is like a new lease of life and they are the ones who often go on to make a positive mark for themselves and the places they work for. Over the years I’ve seen more than a few staff start off on production lines or in warehouses and climb to management roles and it doesn’t happen often if you nail yourself to one spot. . |
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A young person today entering the workforce would will be changing many jobs, industries and careers in his working lifetime.
The job you went to university / tafe for might not exist in 10 years. As in life always be ready for change, upskill and reskill and be flexible and hard working. No point complaining about the past. |
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Bathed In A Yellow Glow
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Even if you're in senior management, many companies believe your effectiveness has run out at about 5 years and fresh blood is preferred.
As far as production processes are concerned I agree with psychobimbo and Franco Cozzo, good procedures and their documentation are required so a smaller learning curve exists for new staff and without the right employees none of it works. . |
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