Environmentally-backwards Australia becoming an “automotive third world," Volkswagen claims

[Franco Cozzo]

Environmentally-backwards Australia becoming an “automotive third world," Volkswagen claims

Local emissions regulations – or lack thereof – are making it increasingly difficult for manufacturers to import new electrified models.

"As a consequence, other countries are even now receiving Volkswagen’s range of relatively affordable [electric vehicles], while the date of commencement for Australia’s roll-out is increasingly uncertain. Already Australia is missing the latest and most efficient conventional engines because of its appalling petrol quality, which remains among the most sulphurous in the OECD."

https://www.caradvice.com.au/935217/...swagen-claims/

The irony of charlatans like VW lecturing someone on environmental concerns is worth a laugh given they're responsible for one of the largest enviro-scams in modern history.

But this is a good point about our terrible quality fuel, this is something you could fix through amendments to Australian Standards, surely that's a 'low hanging fruit' measure you could easily implement and then use for a positive PR campaign?

[roKWiz]

[DJM83]

Australia has always been a back water.

We get watered down models with lesser spec than other countries, so in that aspect they are right.

[Sprintey]

At least we treat monkeys nicely.

[CyberWasp]

[IanC]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

https://www.caradvice.com.au/935217/...swagen-claims/

But this is a good point about our terrible quality fuel, this is something you could fix through amendments to Australian Standards, surely that's a 'low hanging fruit' measure you could easily implement and then use for a positive PR campaign?

Premium fuel is available if you want to pay for it. Most folk don't. Better fuel would be higher priced.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by IanC

Premium fuel is available if you want to pay for it. Most folk don't. Better fuel would be higher priced.

Premium fuel should really only be a few cents more per litre, not 15-20c/L like it is.
It does not cost 15% more to produce.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Premium fuel should really only be a few cents more per litre, not 15-20c/L like it is.
It does not cost 15% more to produce.

Like with many things, that's what we have been 'conditioned' to pay.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by IanC

Premium fuel is available if you want to pay for it. Most folk don't. Better fuel would be higher priced.

It's not the octane rating, it's the sulfur content of the fuel which is still high regardless if it's premium or not.

Though they should remove 91 from sale, Mazda gives us crippled engines because of our love for using 91.

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Why do companies need to wait for the Government to set standards?
There is nothing stopping a company bringing in Engines or Fuels that exceed the minimum standard set by the government.
A proper switched on company, would see this an opportunity to market it as a point of differentiation between its competitors, to its advantage.

If there's no infrastructure to support it, IE they bring in newer engine technology that needs low sulfur fuels there'll be issues with warranty claims.

[GO FURTHER]

Even our 98 RON is 5 times worse in Sulphur content than other countries.

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Even our 98 RON is 5 times worse in Sulphur content than other countries.

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Yes.

We was set to get rid of 91 in Australia around about 2008 but PM Gillard knocked that on the head.
All Australian cars made from 2008 are all tuned to run on 95 octane.
If you use 91 in a car made from 2008 and on, you are an much worse a environmental scoundrel than the morons who claimed VW was with the new set standards set in Europe.

When one uses 91 in a 2008 and on car the only reason why you can do such a stupid thing is because the computer retards the spark timing by up to 12 deg so as to save the engine from pinging. it is false economy ! one is in fact using much more fuel that you should be using, because your engine is not ruining at max efficiency.
The car manufactures just state that you can run 91 because they would loose sales.

Back in 1997 the new Sequential Holden 5.0L V8 came out with 8.8:1 compression and Holden stated to use 95 but then got a backlash on sales because of the 95 rating, so Holden just went and marketed it as 91 fine. it was ok to do so, but boy you lost a hell of a lot of performance especially on a hot day or if you got up it. it had less power than the V6 in fact, so once the knock sensor kicked in it's then retarding the spark timing back 12 deg.

[M&Ms]

Pot calling the kettle black there.

[CyberWasp]

Why do companies need to wait for the Government to set standards?
There is nothing stopping a company bringing in Engines or Fuels that exceed the minimum standard set by the government.
A proper switched on company, would see this an opportunity to market it as a point of differentiation between its competitors, to its advantage.

[DRU842]

VW pushing for GovCo subsidies anyone?

[csv8]

XR Martin premium diesel is only 2cl more than truck diesel. But 98 is 20cl more ??? greed ?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by csv8

XR Martin premium diesel is only 2cl more than truck diesel. But 98 is 20cl more ??? greed ?

What's the difference between premium diesel and truck diesel? Aside from the 2 cpl

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

What's the difference between premium diesel and truck diesel? Aside from the 2 cpl

Apparently nothing.

I'm told that the discounted truck diesel is actually identical to the regular stuff however the fact they use high volume pumps and buy tons more than a car per fill means you get a little bit of a discount.

Not sure how true that is.

[cycle myth]

The amount of noise in multiple issues means not a lot of response here.

Pressure to build petrol refineries for better quality fuel (means better engines and health improvements with improved air quality.

But - most oil companies are pulling out of local production and won't want to spend

The Government motivating electric cars won't help the business case for petrol refinery plant investment

Many of the power grids won't take large volumes of electric cars drawing power

The same issue restricts solar panels putting power into the grid so there also needs some investment in clean, reliable electricity generation

AND and probably most pivotal the government still doesn't have comfort on a good way to recover any loss tax revenue from fuel excise for electric cars replacing petrol cars.

(so the frogurt is also cursed )

So unless a clear stance on improved plant investment, clean electricity sources and electrical infrastructure with a good revenue model it looks like we'll be driving a lot more VW's spewing out stuff we don't want to breathe.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by cycle myth

AND and probably most pivotal the government still doesn't have comfort on a good way to recover any loss tax revenue from fuel excise for electric cars replacing petrol cars.

.

The simplest way is to change registration to a kilometre based system, instead of weight or cylinder count depending on state.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

What's the difference between premium diesel and truck diesel? Aside from the 2 cpl

Don't get premium here.
There's 2 diesels available here regular diesel and winter mix heading into colder months.

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Don't get premium here.
There's 2 diesels available here regular diesel and winter mix heading into colder months.

premium diesel is available where i fill up
2c per litre price difference to regular diesel

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

What's the difference between premium diesel and truck diesel? Aside from the 2 cpl

In Europe the diesel cars use the much more expensive diesel and the newer Trucks use the same, it's only the older Truck engines do not need that type of diesel.
It's just like as we had leaded fuel still in 1986 and to 1992 I think and then we could only get unleaded fuel, same will happen with the old type diesel.

Just like 91 octane petrol should be gone by rights if governments were serious about pollution standards.

In QLD we have a moron Premier, we have Fuel Stations now that do not even state what octane that it is ! so if you use E10 such could be 91 E10 or 94 E10, I asked a woman behind the desk what was the octane of their E10 and she had no idea at all what I was talking about. bloody hell the difference can be the destruction of an engine, so I want to know for a fact what the octane rating is. not to mention that I have a bike that is carby fed and it's ok to run on E10 94 but not E10 91 at all, as such will destroy the engine.

[Ben73]

I have seen a few examples of VW virtue signalling lately. I guess they're trying to make up for crimes against humanity for who know how long? 1937 probably.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Ben73

I have seen a few examples of VW virtue signalling lately. I guess they're trying to make up for crimes against humanity for who know how long? 1937 probably.

I can’t see any VW advertising re the Slave labour they used in the 1940’s

But Hey Australia’s backwards 👍

Go figure.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by IanC

Premium fuel is available if you want to pay for it. Most folk don't. Better fuel would be higher priced.

It costs 2-3 c per litre to make 95, over 91. They charge 15-20 c a litre as nothing more than a con to make profit.

Nothing but a scam. The sooner we ditch 91 and make 95 the new base fuel the better. Hard to see anyone going to be unable to afford an extra 2-3 c per litre. Can save that by shopping around and finding the lowest price servo if they really need to.

[ratter]

To make the most out of direct injection engines a stratified charge should be used, but this requires a Nox converter to be fitted and our fuel would damage one of these

[Sprintey]

My fav part of "that" part of the internet:

http://greyfalcon.us/restored/JOSEF%20ANDREAS%20EPP.htm

omega diskus, claimed here to be built by skoda '43-'45. Of course it might be a bit hard to adequately verify this....

[Ben73]

Jeep has 2 unreliable cars go viral on the internet and is known for expensive parts and everyone in Australia is like "lOl yOu oWn a jEeP, iT MuSt sPeNd mOrE TiMe iN ThE WoRkShOp tHaN On tHe rOaD" and the sales take a nose dive.

VW literately kills people by gassing them to death, are unreliable and also have expensive parts and their sales hardly even dip in Australia. This country is weird.

[Vesper Martini]

not sure where you got that info Mick but from what I've read the only difference between ordinary diesel and premium is the premium contains an extra detergent, there is a lot of debate as to whether that makes any difference..

they both have the same cetane rating and diesel doesn't distinguish between older and newer Trucks,
please send a link if you have more info, otherwise take a read of the below.


https://www.caradvice.com.au/896469/...esel-worth-it/

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

not sure where you got that info Mick but from what I've read the only difference between ordinary diesel and premium is the premium contains an extra detergent, there is a lot of debate as to whether that makes any difference..

they both have the same cetane rating and diesel doesn't distinguish between older and newer Trucks,
please send a link if you have more info, otherwise take a read of the below.


https://www.caradvice.com.au/896469/...esel-worth-it/

From what I seen in Europe no one uses the lower diesel in their newer type diesel cars.

A mate had 3 small new tipper trucks and 2 new Holden diesel 4x4 3 excavators 4 bob cats and he only used one brand due to price he could get it for, he did not use the new prem diesel fuel.

Another mate has 20 older type haulage trucks and 3 new Holden 4x4 diesel and etc etc others and only uses the lower type diesel fuel.

Non could tell the difference between when they used the prem on occasion.
But I am sure that the prem is better for the newer type diesels in the long run especially with short runs like the family hack I would use such for sure.

Our Aussie Diesel is not what Europe's diesel is tho.

That said our Aussie crude oil is what is defined as high in Sulphur and a thin oil, but other crude oils such as Arabs have are better quality low in Sulphur and a thicker oil. so we export ours to them and theirs to us for good reasons, that was the deal when we made our fuel and such here. and still is only it goes to Asia and is all refined for us now. so we have reduced our pollution targets and got rid of them jobs all I one.

As to Octane rating in petrol you only need the correct octane for your engine, if you use a higher octane than truly needed, you will not make better power or fuel economy by rights.

A mate SC came out to the race track with the same road car as me and he was poring octane additive in his tank and then put 2 of them in smiling at me, saying that they call him Billy Hunt thinking that he would have it all over me now and I just smiled because I know that it would lower his power if anything and I hosed him off down the straits as well.