ture or false?

CaRtZ · 23-03-2006, 08:56 PM

i was talking with some guys at work about getting power into our falcons when someone came along and said "put a new gt engine in" and went on to say that they fit right in to most '90's falcons. would the 290, or even 260 fit into the modern falcons. if so would the stock trans need to be replaced with the ba tranny?

Grechie · 23-03-2006, 09:04 PM

no way, ...it wont fit!

5speedeb · 23-03-2006, 09:05 PM

not without ALOT of body mods

but with enough money anything is possible

MADED-6 · 23-03-2006, 09:10 PM

ive heard they fit but u need odviusly engine mounts and wiring and stuff but i have heard they fit in i dont no if there is much truth to this but it would be very interesting to see it done. and yes the gearbox wont stand that enigne u would need the engine and the gearbox because the e-series gearbox wouldnt mount up and would blow up if it did most likely.

mcflux · 23-03-2006, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 94EDGhia

ive heard they fit but u need odviusly engine mounts and wiring and stuff but i have heard they fit in i dont no if there is much truth to this but it would be very interesting to see it done. and yes the gearbox wont stand that enigne u would need the engine and the gearbox because the e-series gearbox wouldnt mount up and would blow up if it did most likely.

Hmm, EA T5 + Boss 290.

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Originally Posted by big_waity

Anyway, the new 8 is a bit bigger...

Just a little bit!

Group C · 23-03-2006, 10:16 PM

B: FALSE.
there is no way that a boss will fit without major mods done with mega bucks.

go the windsor.
AU is the same as the EB-EL, as stated before.

69XW · 23-03-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Hmm, EA T5 + Boss 290.

Just a little bit!

I don't think the boss would even fit in an F that easily.That one bulky donk!

mcflux · 23-03-2006, 10:25 PM

I couldn't believe that pic when I first saw it (in another thread on these very forums actually, but that was sometime last year).

Unbelievable!

69XW · 23-03-2006, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghia5L

I couldn't believe that pic when I first saw it (in another thread on these very forums actually, but that was sometime last year).

Unbelievable!

Not wrong would love to see a big block next to it, i think you would be surprised in how big they actually are.

CaRtZ · 23-03-2006, 09:15 PM

would the au 8 even fit in2 our e's?

big_waity · 23-03-2006, 09:19 PM

I'm pretty sure the AU 8 would fit as it is stil a 5.0(at least I think it is). Anyway, the new 8 is a bit bigger and probably doesnt fit too easily. But then, I have seen a 302 in a bluebird and a 351 in an excel. So I'm sure you could squeeze one in.

Clarke AV · 23-03-2006, 09:31 PM

[B]false?

Aaron_EF8 · 23-03-2006, 09:31 PM

AU V8 is a 302 Windsor, the same as EB-EL V8's.

sphell · 23-03-2006, 10:41 PM

For the money it'd cost you to do that, not to mention the engineering/legal problems you'd encounter when it's all finished, you'd be better off fitting one of those engineered supercharger kits to a 5.0.

Although if you sh1t money, then DO IT!! hehe, it'd be hella cool

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Stevo · 23-03-2006, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sphell

Although if you sh1t money, then DO IT!! hehe, it'd be hella cool

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Nope.. Just tried and nothing.
Will have another go in the morning before work

carazy · 23-03-2006, 11:11 PM

I don't think it will fit at all because of the width of the engine bay.
They had major engineering problems getting the winsor into the EB's (EA was designed to never have a V8) and then they made massive changes from AU-BA to get the current beasty to fit (the initially wanted to get the 240kw mustang motor fitted to the AUII's but it would never fit so they hand built the winsors instead)

NZ · 24-03-2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by carazy

IThey had major engineering problems getting the winsor into the EB's (EA was designed to never have a V8)

Stop talking crap! If it as such an engineering nightmare why is the engine bay between an 6 and 8 identical? The have a different k frame thats it.
Who told you it was an engineering nightmare? Your brothers cousins imaginary friend?

Sorry to be rude but people beleive false facts when theure on the internet before logic.

Psycho Chicken · 25-03-2006, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by carazy

I don't think it will fit at all because of the width of the engine bay.
They had major engineering problems getting the winsor into the EB's (EA was designed to never have a V8) and then they made massive changes from AU-BA to get the current beasty to fit (the initially wanted to get the 240kw mustang motor fitted to the AUII's but it would never fit so they hand built the winsors instead)

The Mod block fits into the AU. However it has to go in from the top of the engine bay, but the production line drops the car onto the driveline. They do fit and people have put them in, but it was just unworkable from the production side of things.

E-series and AU engine bays are exactly the same width.

carazy · 25-03-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

E-series and AU engine bays are exactly the same width.

I believe the tower width's are all the same but as you said from the underside things may be different.
NZ: I have never tried to perform any of the mods but have read in Motor magazine in 2000 re the mustang motor and from an ancient wheels re the V8 in an EA and the changes required for the EB V8.
To me every engine bay looks exactly the same from EA to BA but there have been changes.

snypereb · 23-03-2006, 11:21 PM

I was told not long ago by someone on the forums i think that a BA xr6T would fit into an EB. Is this true?

mcflux · 24-03-2006, 12:41 PM

JETXR = EL

EL = similar to EB.

Therefore XR6T in EB = doable.

ilsautomotive · 24-03-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghia5L

JETXR = EL

EL = similar to EB.

Therefore XR6T in EB = doable.

The older E series have a less sloping bonnet so it may be less dramatic to fit a DOHC in. Not exactly a cost-effective way to get power though.

The Boss engines wouldn't be cheap secondhand, but there's plenty of other options. GenIIIs are fairly compact if I'm not mistaken - none of that electronic throttle stuff either.

LUXO_8 · 24-03-2006, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Trouty

The older E series have a less sloping bonnet so it may be less dramatic to fit a DOHC in. Not exactly a cost-effective way to get power though.

The Boss engines wouldn't be cheap secondhand, but there's plenty of other options. GenIIIs are fairly compact if I'm not mistaken - none of that electronic throttle stuff either.

electronic throttle is easily fixed by turfing it, and fitting a regular throttle body and throttle cable...

face it, you would be running an aftermarket ecu if you did the conversion anyway so wouldnt be needing the electronic throttle.

NZ · 24-03-2006, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Trouty

GenIIIs are fairly compact if I'm not mistaken - none of that electronic throttle stuff either.

I cant beleive you'd even suggest that

Psycho Chicken · 24-03-2006, 12:53 PM

The Boss will fit into an AU, so presumingly it'll fit into an E-series. The bonnet won't clear and you may need an AU crossmember, but it will fit between the shock towers.

ilsautomotive · 24-03-2006, 07:49 PM

You should recognise my style by now ;). Fact is a lot of GenIIIs were sold and they have great aftermarket potential and support. I'd faint if anyone actually did it though.

CaRtZ · 24-03-2006, 11:52 PM

would never do it but yeah...the genIII is good for about 370hp at the treads with bolt on parts...extractors, ss induction kit, 2.5 in exhaust etc... so the au 8 with a charger would be the best option

2kool4u · 25-03-2006, 03:37 AM

Putting a boss into an e series would just be way too much trouble IMHO.

The GenIII idea isn't bad though, or even better you could put a genIV in it

LUXO_8 · 25-03-2006, 01:14 PM

the V8 in the EA you saw was the 351W which was the EA GT concept...
yes that one was a little difficult because of the tall deck height of the 351W.
the 302W fits way easy