Question about XR8 sprints...

oneredED · 22-05-2006, 11:38 PM

Got a nice easy question for ya's. Did ED XR8 sprints come out with extractors, or something better than the cruddy press-bent excuse for exhaust manifolds on other e-series windsors? There's an apparently genuine one sitting at my house tonight (not mine unfortunately), and i was shocked to see the ghastly exhaust manifolds on it...

Thanks people,
Jared

mcflux · 22-05-2006, 11:53 PM

Here's a giveaway:

What intake manifold did it have? This is one way of picking a faker from a real Sprint ;)

I'm assuming that since this "Sprint" has the standard headers, it'd most likely have a HO manifold too.

Unless Sprints really did come with the crap standard headers :gren:

oneredED · 22-05-2006, 11:56 PM

It has the XR8 sprint plate on the upper manifold, I dont know anything about the windsors really, but I'm pretty sure it ain't the HO manifold...

phat_stak_tipa · 22-05-2006, 11:58 PM

they have shocking "headers" they are not good......i had a te50 series1 before i bought my sprint and my olds had a 185kw el xr8 and both these cars had way better designed headers that looked more like extractors than the sprint ones

mcflux · 23-05-2006, 12:00 AM

Hmm, I guess they made 192kw with crap headers then!

phat_stak_tipa · 23-05-2006, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Hmm, I guess they made 192kw with crap headers then!

yep they would easily do the proper 200kw with decent headers

EFFalcon · 22-05-2006, 11:59 PM

yeah, EL II XR8 got the EL GT style manifolds.
i imagine EB GT got the crap manifolds too.

Sprint347 · 23-05-2006, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by EFFalcon

yeah, EL II XR8 got the EL GT style manifolds.
i imagine EB GT got the crap manifolds too.

Sprints and EB GTs had a quite a good manifold actually, pretty much the Mustang Cobra intake seen on '93 models.

They flow 400 odd hp as opposed to the 425hp (approx figures from Ford Motorsport) to the tubular runner GT40 intake seen on the EL GT (and 94-95 Mustang Cobras).

The Cobra's are preferred by some people in the US as they can be extrude honed/ported (altough you'd never want to damage an original Sprint intake in such a way). You cant do this as the runners are ali' tubes.

My sprint unopened, with 130,000kms on the clock with nothing more than a K&N, Pacemakers, timing advanced to 4deg, using Ultimate 98 managed to pull 224rwhp and 14.1 @ 97mph down the 1/4 with bald rears.

She used to beat HSVs from the same era (even a VX Clubsport one day lol) and no-one would ever believe me it was a stock motor'ed ED XR8.

They are an awesome car with an awesome motor, just need to be able to breathe.

Can't wait to hit the streets with the 347 and go for the later model HSV's ;)

mcflux · 23-05-2006, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by nitrane

Sprints and EB GTs had a quite a good manifold actually, pretty much the Mustang Cobra intake seen on '93 models.

I might be wrong, but I think John might have been referring to the exhaust manifolds.

EDIT: John_boi beat me to it

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BDennis, got any pix of these factory Sprint headers? A comparison between a stock EB-EL and the Sprint headers would be intersting.

Damo · 23-05-2006, 12:02 AM

boston they are stock!

lol beer

oneredED · 23-05-2006, 12:05 AM

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boston they are stock!

lol beer

Cheers bro,
Boston.

PS. Beer.

Damo · 23-05-2006, 12:13 AM

haha beer

bdennis · 23-05-2006, 08:54 AM

The ED Sprint came with a extractor 4-1 made by HM. They are very tight and extreemly pinched where they bolt onto the head.
Yep they did make around the 195kw-200Kw with these on them. Mine still has the stockies on it.
The other exhaust give away for the sprint was that it was twin system down to the diff and joined above the diff into single system with a final muffler and out. Only the EB GT and ED sprint had this configuration (in the EB/ED series.)

XR Martin · 23-05-2006, 11:13 AM

Nitrane, EBGTs had the tubular intake manifold, the Sprint didnt.

Sprint347 · 23-05-2006, 11:37 AM

Of course... sorry i was wrong haha

I still say the Sprint manifold is good! lol

EFFalcon · 23-05-2006, 12:08 PM

nitrane: i'm talking exhaust manifolds, not intake manifolds.

Sprint347 · 23-05-2006, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by EFFalcon

nitrane: i'm talking exhaust manifolds, not intake manifolds.

gotchya.

well, yes, i agree they suck bigtime

bdennis · 23-05-2006, 03:01 PM

As BD grabs the camera and heads out to the garage... Will see what I can do stay tunned

Sprint347 · 23-05-2006, 03:05 PM

if you have no luck bdennis i can take pics of mine.. they've been off the car for years lol

bdennis · 23-05-2006, 05:49 PM

Here is a pic of the left bank (sorry poor pics) But gives ya the idea.

Right bank.

LUXO_8 · 23-05-2006, 05:52 PM

my god...they did get the "first day apprentice" headders then.. (same as the stock 5.0 headders )

thats shocking...

mcflux · 23-05-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MADNC_8

my god...they did get the "first day apprentice" headders then.. (same as the stock 5.0 headders )

thats shocking...

yes!

I guess you're really going for the 100% stock style. Tis good to be different to the crowd I guess, but it must suck having a quiet car with heaps of potential from just an exhaust upgrade...

oneredED · 23-05-2006, 06:38 PM

The rear-most primary on the airbox side is the worst of the lot, almost completely crimped off! Thanks for that guys, appreciate it. It was the only gripe the owner of this sprint has, but we know now it's standard fitment

LUXO_8 · 23-05-2006, 06:42 PM

get some pacemaker ph4000's into it ASAP...

oneredED · 23-05-2006, 06:59 PM

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get some pacemaker ph4000's into it ASAP...

A decent set of headers are definately on the cards after this discovery! The car was a promo vehicle back in the day for a bodykit company, and has moffat front and rear bar, cosworth vents, side skirts (not sure what), and a mini EB GT wing... plus it's black haha. It's in rather mint condition with a genuine 60,000km, so I'll post some pics soon

phat_stak_tipa · 23-05-2006, 07:03 PM

thats it god they are hideous if i was keeping my sprint i would replace those and the crap stock exhaust

XR Martin · 23-05-2006, 07:49 PM

The base Falcon V8 ran the Cobra headers, have we concluded the Sprints manifolds were any different?.

Imagine how bad the standard log headers were in the US on Mustang GTs.

bdennis · 23-05-2006, 09:01 PM

I was investigating reaplacing them with HM tri-Y headders a few months back. Got talking to the tech guy at HM. They made the extractors for Ford to their spec. They wanted 4-1 config and this way for power and other reasons. He said they would have done somthing different if they had full control. He said the EBGT / Sprint headders were different to all others.
Anyway, I like to keep my sprint stock. Having said that, before I got it the exhaust from cat back to rear muffler had been changed so goes from the Cats into 1 and then a hot dog and then the original rear mufler. It is louder than stock and goes OK. It is able to keep up with a Manual BA XR6Turbo so am happy with the current performance.
Was thinking of new extractors and cats but cant justify the $1200-$1400 bucks for it. The engine is coming out to replace the rear main seal in a few weeks (me and a mate - bugger paying some pleb to do it) but will most likely leave as is... I dont drive it often enough to worry me... If someone has some PH4000's cheap I may consider it but probably wont bother for now.

mcflux · 23-05-2006, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bdennis

I was investigating reaplacing them with HM tri-Y headders a few months back. Got talking to the tech guy at HM. They made the extractors for Ford to their spec. They wanted 4-1 config and this way for power and other reasons. He said they would have done somthing different if they had full control. He said the EBGT / Sprint headders were different to all others.
Anyway, I like to keep my sprint stock. Having said that, before I got it the exhaust from cat back to rear muffler had been changed so goes from the Cats into 1 and then a hot dog and then the original rear mufler. It is louder than stock and goes OK. It is able to keep up with a Manual BA XR6Turbo so am happy with the current performance.
Was thinking of new extractors and cats but cant justify the $1200-$1400 bucks for it. The engine is coming out to replace the rear main seal in a few weeks (me and a mate - bugger paying some pleb to do it) but will most likely leave as is... I dont drive it often enough to worry me... If someone has some PH4000's cheap I may consider it but probably wont bother for now.

Keeping it stock is cool ;) That's what I did with my first car.

As for prices, Paceys can be had for <$500 new and cats for <$200 each new

Since you've already modified some of the exhaust though, I'd definitely be going for the Paceys! Ebay sometimes throws up good deals ;)

There was a Street Fords or PFM mag recently containing info on headers readily available in Australia for the E-Series Windsor.

Cheers

-Dave-

bdennis · 23-05-2006, 09:51 PM

Dave,
Cool. Thanks for the info.
Had a few cars under my belt in my nearly 20 years of driving but like stockies. As mentioned the exhaust was changed before I got it, so, one day, maybee unless I sell it and get a different toy. Only time will tell..