* Fuel Tax Petition *

[Patrol351]

Dear Friends,

Whenever you fill up you are paying 37.7 cents per litre Federal Tax.

The Federal Tax is then added to the cost of petrol and then 10% of this
total is then ADDED AGAIN as GST!!

So we are paying a tax on a tax.

When GST was introduced it was supposed to replace all other taxes.

Please sign the petition below to have the federal tax removed!

(This would have the immediate effect of taking 41.5 cents off per litre!!


Please forward this to all your friends.

http://www.petitiononline.com/afer/petition.html

got this off outerlimits4x4
i signed it in hope some thing will happen pass it on make some noise

[chevypower]

waste of time, they won't do it - i would rather see tax kept there and tax incentives on the use of bio-fuels - excise on fossil fuels removed would only delay the inevitable

[LTDHO]

I will do less than jack s**t

[schmidty]

And where do you propose that the government re-coup the lost revenue from petrol sales? Which area of the budget would you cut that kind of expenditure? Our roads are bad enough, hospitals understaffed, police understaffed and underpaid, class sizes too big and resources in schools limited, aged care is a shambles, prisons are over crowded and under staffed, and the list goes on.

Fuel excise is a huge money spinner for the government, they aren't going to give that up for anything!

Even if they did, which they wont, but if they did, they either jack up interest rates, or income tax, which would hit everyone hard. Fuel excise is a user pays tax, nice and fair.

People know the price of driving, if you cant afford it, buy a bike, or take the bus.

Same as people generally whinging about petrol prices. If it's too dear, find an alternative. People whinge, but still fill their car up every week! There is no other options! Streamline your usage and daily tasks the best you can, and cop the rest on the chin like everyone else with a car.

[max]

Just getcha self an LPG conversion and cop the $2000 reward. With a bit of luck you might get out of it for $1800 and you can keep the change!

[Bucknaked]

Originally Posted by max

Just getcha self an LPG conversion and cop the $2000 reward. With a bit of luck you might get out of it for $1800 and you can keep the change!

I already enquired about this. Your get $2,000, but if the conversion costs you $1,800, this is all they will give you

[MoreHPformyXR6]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

I already enquired about this. Your get $2,000, but if the conversion costs you $1,800, this is all they will give you

Makes sense to me that a goverment rebate (funded buy taxpayers) doesnt allow people to profit from there LPG conversion. If it had of allowed you2 I would have been staright on to my federal member Kate Ellis.

[FRDGAL]

Originally Posted by schmidty

People know the price of driving, if you cant afford it, buy a bike, or take the bus.

Exactly. I've been saying this for a long time - I don't know why everyone bothers to keep whinging about petrol prices. It won't change anything. This is the way it is and petrol prices are what they are. Deal with it!

[max]

Originally Posted by schmidty

And where do you propose that the government re-coup the lost revenue from petrol sales? Which area of the budget would you cut that kind of expenditure? Our roads are bad enough, hospitals understaffed, police understaffed and underpaid, class sizes too big and resources in schools limited, aged care is a shambles, prisons are over crowded and under staffed, and the list goes on.

Fuel excise is a huge money spinner for the government, they aren't going to give that up for anything!

Even if they did, which they wont, but if they did, they either jack up interest rates, or income tax, which would hit everyone hard. Fuel excise is a user pays tax, nice and fair.

People know the price of driving, if you cant afford it, buy a bike, or take the bus.

Same as people generally whinging about petrol prices. If it's too dear, find an alternative. People whinge, but still fill their car up every week! There is no other options! Streamline your usage and daily tasks the best you can, and cop the rest on the chin like everyone else with a car.

Is not a proportion of the fuel tax going into national highway improvements? I am happy to pay for that. How is the fed govt going to recoup the $2000 lpg conversion incentive payment which could amount to a billion dollars? Not by letting national highways deteriorate again I hope.

[EF, What else?]

Originally Posted by schmidty

People know the price of driving, if you cant afford it, buy a bike, or take the bus.

Same as people generally whinging about petrol prices. If it's too dear, find an alternative. People whinge, but still fill their car up every week! There is no other options! Streamline your usage and daily tasks the best you can, and cop the rest on the chin like everyone else with a car.

Unfortunately, not all of us live in the city. I am buying a bike, but thats only to get me to the shops and back, buses around here are non-existant, so we are reliant on petrol and cars. Any price rise in petrol cuts deep into my poor uni budget, another 10-15cents, and I have to seriously consider moving or dropping my studies.

[chevypower]

Nobody forced you to buy a large 6 cylinder Falcon, get something cheaper to run if it's cutting in to your budget

[EF, What else?]

Originally Posted by chevypower

Nobody forced you to buy a large 6 cylinder Falcon, get something cheaper to run if it's cutting in to your budget

And what happens when I can't afford to run a 4cylinder? Buy a motorised scooter? On the Kuranda Range? I think not

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by EF, What else?

And what happens when I can't afford to run a 4cylinder? Buy a motorised scooter? On the Kuranda Range? I think not

So you will have a 6 cylinder now, that you can't afford to run, and whinge about it, when you can have a small car that uses half the fuel, and maintenance is cheaper, because in 10 years time you might not be able to afford to run the cheaper car? That makes real sense, buy a V12 you obviously have the solution!

[Dave_au]

Whinge Whinge Whinge. Everyone gets a say in taxes theoretically every four or so years anyway. Obviously those in the opposition party have some form of background in economics and an overall grasp of Government fund and Government spending. Funny there's no credible second "lets cut the fuel excise" option. Perhaps it's because the taxation system that we have now is for all those things that we take for granted.

If people want to whinge about fuel excise, start a political party and run in the federal elections. You only need a partition of 500 people I believe to form a party (ask Pauline, I believe she'd know), so if these 25,000 signatories are ligitimate, go and knock yourselves out. I can tell you whats going to happen though - absolutely nothing.

Don't like the politicians in power or their policies? Vote for the opposition. Opposition no good? Go and run for parliament yourselves. Will you? Hell no, because everyone is gutless. I'm sick to death of whingers out there complaining about the government, politicians and policies. Time some people put their money where their mouth is.

And incidently, there was a "cut beer and fuel excise" party running in the last NSW state elections. I believe they didn't win a seat. I wonder why......

Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

Where's the petition I sign to prevent the government from intervening????

Or the "we're running out of oil, why reduce the price and increase the speed at which we use the last of it" petition??

Agreed

Originally Posted by EF, What else?

I have to seriously consider moving or dropping my studies.

Move closer, you'd be stupid to drop your studies now - means all the time you've spent at uni would be wasted.

[schmidty]

Originally Posted by EF, What else?

Unfortunately, not all of us live in the city. I am buying a bike, but thats only to get me to the shops and back, buses around here are non-existant, so we are reliant on petrol and cars. Any price rise in petrol cuts deep into my poor uni budget, another 10-15cents, and I have to seriously consider moving or dropping my studies.

Dude i dont live in town. Live out of town a fair bit. And i know that 1 of the things that goes with living out of town is the fact that i spend a hell of a lot more on fuel than most that live in town. As stated above, we spend somewhere in the vicinity of $20k per year on fuel, between me and the missus. How do you think a 30% increase in the average fuel prices affect me compared to someone spending $40 per week on fuel who lives in the city? A 30% increase for them is minimal, a 30% increase for me is huge! But i know my options, if i want to keep going how i am i pay the price, or i cat back on travel and seriously consider where i drive and if its necessity, or i move into town and put the extra money saved on fuel into a more expensive piece of real estate anyway. I choose to cop it on the chin and keep going the way i am.

And you mention moving out or dropping your studies? All because of petrol? I know it's tough, but if you see your uni course as something thats necessary for your future progression in life and to where you ultimately want to be, that should be whats dictating your direction, not rising fuel prices. You should do what you need to to get through uni, not throw it away because the price of crude continues to rise.

I think people need to be realistic and see that this is where we are at, fuel prices are never going to drop back to previous levels, no matter how much hoping and dreaming anyone does. You look at the price of driving, and determine if you can afford it or not. If not, then time to look at alternatives. I'm not going to sell my car thats for sure, or stop riding my motorbike.

[elusiverunner]

I will sign. It makes me laugh how everyone complains about increases in petrol, but when someone comes up with an idea that may or may not work we all have reasons why someone is trying to do something is wasting their time.

The government is double-dipping after all. They also get a lot more taxes from just about everything you eat, drink or just buy. :alien2:

[MoreHPformyXR6]

Originally Posted by elusiverunner

I will sign. It makes me laugh how everyone complains about increases in petrol, but when someone comes up with an idea that may or may not work we all have reasons why someone is trying to do something is wasting their time.

The government is double-dipping after all. They also get a lot more taxes from just about everything you eat, drink or just buy. :alien2:

I agree with that. The idea of GST was all goods & services are taxed at 10% I though the total taxes on petrol to the govt is closer to 40 to 45% per litre. Petion signed.

[schmidty]

Originally Posted by elusiverunner

I will sign. It makes me laugh how everyone complains about increases in petrol, but when someone comes up with an idea that may or may not work we all have reasons why someone is trying to do something is wasting their time.

The government is double-dipping after all. They also get a lot more taxes from just about everything you eat, drink or just buy. :alien2:

I wont sign it because it's a shortsighted way to fix 1 problem, while creading a miriad of others. Is the petition authorised by K. Beasly? Ha.

[4.9 EF Futura]

Where's the petition I sign to prevent the government from intervening????

Or the "theres more important things in life than petrol prices" petition??

Or the "we're running out of oil, why reduce the price and increase the speed at which we use the last of it" petition??

[GCFordChic]

Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

the "we're running out of oil, why reduce the price and increase the speed at which we use the last of it" petition??

I want to find that one aswell...

[05MkIIFutura]

Just had a look at the petition then, 25,000 people have left their name.

Unfortunatley some dumb asses thought they could leave their name repeatedly and it would count for more?? Hmm

Others made some pretty interesting comments, and some were just GOLD!!!

SO I have decided to help these people through their greif and trauma, sorta like a marraige counsellor, but for fuel.

Keep reading for more

(Please note these comments are not aimed at commenting on a persons situation or status, but rather how they didnt think about what they wrote on the stupid petition)

[05MkIIFutura]

I work during the week and I go to night school.I have to travel over 70km's each way.With rising petrol costs,I would now be better off on the dole,as I could get cheap rego,schooling and travel.Isn't this strange?Even as it is I can’t catch the train anyway as I leave too early and get back too late for the train.I spend nearly a third of my wage on petrol alone!Listen to this issue please!I am trying to better my future.I work,I pay taxes,I do not drain the economy,just build it.Mr Howard,how far removed are you?Most people don’t get good money & not all people have access to public transport as a cheaper option.This is devastating, not just annoying.Life is hard,1 example is that NOW my family doesn’t buy meat,and eats very little dairy food, to cut down costs & even though I have a job,we often have to buy clothes at the op shop.You can say there is nothing wrong with op shops, but you’d think with working, I could buy clothes from a real shop? Wouldn’t you? Does this sound like a good life Mr Howard?

If you are travelling 70km a day, move.

Your right, it is devastating that you no longer eat meat. Is this maybe a reason for your lack of logical thought?? Maybe you should try extending your diet back away from just Vegetables to a little more dairy and meat?

Mate, if Johnny up on capital hill quits charging us tax for fuel, your other taxes will go up and there wont be any dole for you to go on and no child carer allowance from the govt for your 10 children

PS: Personally i think the OP shop is good place to find a bargain, beats the socks of Target or KMart.

[05MkIIFutura]

So much for a fair go! i have had to go back to work early after having our baby just to make ends meet and now here in Port Hedland fuel is app $1.60p/l

The baby bonus. Use it to offset the costs of fuel. Or, i believe the bonus is going up next year and up and up and upe after that, so just keep on popping em out.

[Miss_XR6]

petrol prices are here to stay and they will keep rising if u are so unhappy with it sell the car and get a smaller car or public transport or if u love your car so much u will keep paying the petrol no matter what it cost

[tasker1986]

Look i think your all just going a bit overboard i can afford this fuel prices no worries i still think it is a *** load of ***** and i believe it needs to be re-assessed i think the rest of the population would agree that this is ridiculous and just stupid.! I reckon we should stop exporting and paying 10 times as much per barrel and start our own refineries and make other countries buy it off us.. It's a dog eat dog world out their and the pussy's just get fkd over! !!!!!!!!!!!!!! my 2c's

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by tasker1986

Look i think your all just going a bit overboard i can afford this fuel prices no worries i still think it is a *** load of ***** and i believe it needs to be re-assessed i think the rest of the population would agree that this is ridiculous and just stupid.! I reckon we should stop exporting and paying 10 times as much per barrel and start our own refineries and make other countries buy it off us.. It's a dog eat dog world out their and the pussy's just get fkd over! !!!!!!!!!!!!!! my 2c's

You had better grab your shovel and start looking then, because if you want to cut Australia off from the rest of the world, theres about 30% (this figure is growing) of our domestic consumption that you need to come up with.

Why do you think we participate in the international market? Because we're no where near self sufficiency.

It makes me laugh how everyone complains about increases in petrol, but when someone comes up with an idea that may or may not work we all have reasons why someone is trying to do something is wasting their time.

I spend a significant amount of time and effort telling people to quit their whinging and accept the reality of the situation.

Dropping tax on fuel will make the whole situation 10 times worse. Its amazing what people are willing to do to their planet and to their future for a measly 40c/L.

The best way out of this whole revenue sharing mess is simple - abolish the states.

I second this notion. I'll vote yes on this before i vote yes on a republic

[tasker1986]

oh and 1 more beer prices went up again $43 a slab of vb's and their the worst beer possible.! gime a good ol crowny or becks anyday! for $80 a slab :'(

[tommoxr6]

yea yea everyones a whinger and noone wants to do nothing about it. pauline hanson tried didnt she and what happened to her all the poli's get together and screw her over and off to jail pauline, who'd wanna try? if the fuel excise was to "dissappear" how are the governments to recover that loss? im sure not one politician would put their hand up and surrender their fuel card or suffer reduction in expenses and salary yea right! But im sure if politicians were paid as much as everyone else they wouldnt be politicians, so what do you? deal with it? whinge? or maybe if this petition can get enough numbers and support maybe someone will put their hand up and take the fight to the polls. i dont know i can only think that Australians can only be pushed so far.
What i love most about our contradicting government is that they announce $2000 packages for gas conversion since it does only cost 40% of fuel pw and turns around the next day and says gas could soon cost as much as petrol. Are we fools to sit and listen to this cueball or is there no other way

[Dave_au]

Originally Posted by tommoxr6

But im sure if politicians were paid as much as everyone else they wouldnt be politicians, so what do you? deal with it? whinge?

G'day mate, not having a go at you whatsoever but you raise an interesting point in regard's to politician's salaries. Despite the fact that they are paid a decent sum, I think you'll find that if they were in commerce, as CEOs, CFOs or COOs in the calibre that they are currently performing in, then they would be getting a fair deal more than what they are currently being remunerated with.

Imagine if John Howard (Circa mid 200ks) had the performance bonus that Allan Moss (CEO, Macquarie Bank, circa 28m) had.

Originally Posted by Redrum

They won't listen and don't care.

I listen and I don't care. Cut the GST and/or fuel excise and we'll have countless threads whinging about the state of the roads or the hospitals

[Sorted]

I signed - its good to see some one is trying to do something about this

Tax on a Tax is not the way GST was sold to us

Even in insurance you pay Tax on a Tax - just recently the Fire Service Levy was increased and as the Fire Service Levy is before the GST is calculated and the Stamp duty the roll on effect increased the GST & Stamp Duty portions.

If the GST and the STamp Duty were calculated
on the base premium not on the premium after other tax's have been added then that would be alot fairer

SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTY'S HAVE 48% WORTH OF TAX'S ON THEN - LYING GOVERNMENT