What is this country coming to.

Outbackjack · 10-09-2007, 09:10 PM

Lets just wrap everyone up in cotton wool and make them stay at home.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...-29277,00.html

and....

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22394239-2,00.html

fmc351 · 10-09-2007, 09:28 PM

Thats just awful. The first article is a truly tragic event, and the reaction over the top. But the article is just someone making noise though, its not like its being considered is it? Did anyone else notice the paramedics arrived from Melbourne, to Horsham, the father was left trying to resuscitate him before then, wtf? Thats woeful.

The second article, i dunno, its the same as tattoos then I guess. We arent talking ears, eyebrow and nose etc. The parental permission idea seemed more realistic. What were its flaws? Introduced by the wrong party I suppose. Are there no other issues in Victoria, someone should point them to the lack of paramedics in Horsham.

XCSEDAN · 10-09-2007, 10:10 PM

i feel sorry for the parents of the child, its an unfortunate accident...

i have to say though.
first of all, it's illegal to ride motorbikes on the road unless your 18 and licensed (in victoria). (so that throws that argument out the window)
secondly, seriously.. wtf is up with all the do-gooders in this world, do they seriously think that its possible for everybody to live in a perfect world? you ride a moti, you risk stacking, hell i've come down hard many times. but i learnt from every stack and i've been riding since i was 6. yes they are dangerous, no we dont need more bullcrap about young kids doing dangerous things. its a fact of life that people live, die, get sick, get hurt, get better, what's so hard to understand about that?

second article i think is total and utter bullcrap, whats next, you ban people from painting pictures if it includes nudity? not like 12 year olds dont know what a male or female private part is, they know! hell most 8year olds iv met know now

: (funny when you think about it)
and it's our own body, so stick it, and let us do what we want!

can i ask what the average age in parliment is? (not been a smartass, this is a genuine question)
im betting its of an older generation with older beleifs that are not up to date... aka get out, we need fresh stock, you dont leave milk on the shelf for 10years, why should you be left there for so long? not like you can keep up with times, your brought up in another eara with different beleifs. Move down the line

TEaaron · 10-09-2007, 10:13 PM

Wtf.

Nah this is getting out of control now.

Where will it stop?

**Captain Stubing** · 10-09-2007, 10:21 PM

I would be be paranoid about putting a three year old kid on a motorbike.. even if it had training wheels. Just teaching the kids to tie shoelaces shows how much they have to concentrate on what adults consider a simple task... and that's at age 6-8!

And yes, I'd let my daughter get in 'intimate' piercing down there when she's 16... yeah, right!

I'm not up for wrapping kids up in cotton wool, but common sense should come into it.

Tote · 10-09-2007, 10:48 PM

More fodder for the daily tabloids, the toddler on the bike is tragic but legislation would not be practical on privately owned land. On the other note I guess the body piercers in Albury will be doing a roaring trade
Regards,
Tote

S3SR · 11-09-2007, 08:36 PM

ah so it was in a river? that wasnt fenced?

now i feel for the family losing a child, but when something could have been prevented some other way....or like everything in the papers there was something else that we will never know about..

"It seems ludicrous that we have an appropriate regime of driver training and licensing for driving a car, but in the case of a motorbike or minibike there is virtually no control over the age limit for motorbike riders on bikes that can do up to 60 km/h," he said.
what sort of an idiot makes that comment... i drove cars on property at an early age around 12, had a few motorbikes and quad bikes as well before i got my license.....this child tragically died on a property... somewhere you can race and do burnouts and the cops cant do anything so why would you compare property and learning at a young age to restricting the private use of machinary on private property!!!

thats what this world is coming to, idiots bandaiding other idiots' problems and consequences.... tisk tisk

again my condolences to the family of the child

MO · 11-09-2007, 08:40 PM

Your bored are'nt you Brian??

Outbackjack · 11-09-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MO

Your bored are'nt you Brian??

Yep, only 11 hours to go....

MO · 11-09-2007, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Yep, only 11 hours to go....

LOL.......

BA_Turbs · 11-09-2007, 10:20 PM

I didn't read the first article, I got bored and gave up.

However, the second one... I have no problem with this. If I was the parent of a 16 year old, I would want to know when and where they were getting things permanently changed on their body. Too young to make an informed descision, in my opinion.

Everyone seems so keen to grow up these days, what's wrong with being young for a while?

gz1 · 11-09-2007, 10:38 PM

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Intimate body piercings include genital and nipple studs and rings.

The laws come after Nationals MP Damien Drum introduced a private member's Bill pushing for mandatory parental consent for child piercings earlier this year

Is it April 1 already??

Van D · 12-09-2007, 12:03 AM

The motorbike ban proposal is just plain and utter stupidity IMO.

As for the tattoo/piercing one.. Well, if they get ink, it's their own fault and they have the rest of their lives to look at it! LOL!

Steffo · 12-09-2007, 12:29 AM

Dr Stokes makes an interesting comment in the first article...

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Originally Posted by Dr Strokes in News.com.au Article

"It seems ludicrous that we have an appropriate regime of driver training and licensing for driving a car, but in the case of a motorbike or minibike there is virtually no control over the age limit for motorbike riders on bikes that can do up to 60 km/h,"

If he thinks that, he needs to be fired and stripped of his Doctorate, our driver training is far below what's appropriate.

As for the second one, no care. Body piercing is disgusting, I'd outlaw it completley if I could (except ears on girls).

BOOSTDEF · 12-09-2007, 12:48 AM

They will be banning junk food soon.........

Oh wait..........................

whiskieboy · 12-09-2007, 02:31 PM

So if you take away the actual jewellery, you have an adult touching a childs genitalia.Even with consent thats illegal, immoral, and just wrong.
Maybe thats just me being to simplistic.

Tote · 12-09-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by whiskieboy

So if you take away the actual jewellery, you have an adult touching a childs genitalia.Even with consent thats illegal, immoral, and just wrong.
Maybe thats just me being to simplistic.

Maybe you are, after all that"child" can legally have sex when they are 16, why the hoo ha about piercings. I'd rather a pierced daughter than a pregnant one
regards,
Tote

fmc351 · 12-09-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tote

Maybe you are, after all that"child" can legally have sex when they are 16, why the hoo ha about piercings. I'd rather a pierced daughter than a pregnant one
regards,
Tote

Not with a 19 yr old they cant.

True on the other point though

. Sterile piercing as opposed to fertile piercing. Parental consent cant be a bad thing though.

Josh L · 12-09-2007, 03:01 PM

As far as the motorbike thingo. Just plain old crap. I broke my left arm and almost completely skinned my right arm from an accident when I was about 11... that was from being on a mountain bike. Mum said I could go for a ride. So I did. My cousin broke both his thumbs in a similar way.

It does NOT matter whether it's motorized or not... kids up and sometimes it's fatal. Does this mean kids can not ride push bikes unless on private property or on a leash? Can't ride skate boards, go down slides... run? It is just plain stupid.

As far as the piercing article goes... I'm all for it... I got my tongue pierced when I was 18. I tell you, I made the decision myself... the pain when I tried eating warm foods almost made me pull it out. But it was a decision I made myself. If it had got infected, no one could blame my mother, because I was of legal age to make the decision myself.
Body piercing (with the exception of ears of course) and tatoos under 18 years of age should be banned. That way no parents cop blame and at 18... you're semi-responsible.

uranium_death · 12-09-2007, 04:47 PM

Intimate piercings only refers to piercing of genitalia. I think it is fair that under 18s should not get piercings in that region as stated before, somebody touching somebody's genitalia or breasts who is underage is morally wrong and due to our backward legal system, legal complications may arise.

Eyebrows and tongues etc. are still allowed, except they require parental permission, which I also do not mind.

People 16 or thereabouts like to believe they are adults and deserve access to everything but while no doubt many are capable, many are naive fools who really have no idea of the world out there and the danger they pose to themselves.

3vXT · 12-09-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by fmc351

Not with a 19 yr old they cant.

ummmm, yeah they can.

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Originally Posted by uranium_death

People 16 or thereabouts like to believe they are adults and deserve access to everything but while no doubt many are capable, many are naive fools who really have no idea of the world out there and the danger they pose to themselves.

I agree, but have you posted that in the latest 'P plater restrictions' (or whatever it started as) thread

fmc351 · 12-09-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ken2903

ummmm, yeah they can.

Considering the thread relates to Victoria, youre correct. But it differs from state to state, and even based on gender, and the gender of who they are bangin.

Last I heard,
Qld was 16 for males, 18 for females and 18 for same sex.

WA. 16 for both males and females. 21 for male gay, 16 for female gay.

That was maybe mid 90's.

uranium_death · 13-09-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ken2903

ummmm, yeah they can.

I agree, but have you posted that in the latest 'P plater restrictions' (or whatever it started as) thread

I have no problem with P-Platers. They have their parents, who have a greater idea than they do, guiding them as they learn to drive.

Many 16 year olds who get piercings would not tell their parents...they would say, "I'm old enough to make my own choices." Parents crack it...this gives control back to parents, in a time where they are losing it due to greater liberation.

clontarf_x · 12-09-2007, 05:11 PM

I agree with what they are asking. Put it this way, a bike I am sure we would all agree is more dangerous than driving a car, yet we dont let 13 year olds drive around in the XR6 now do we?

As for the genital piercings on under 18's, I would of thought that was already law, as tattooists/piercists I suppose aren't really classified as a professional the same as a doctor for example, and as such should not be touching a minor's genitals for any reason (but then again, if they are over 16, the law has that covered).

Parental permission is already sought from most reputable tattooists/piercists anyway. As someone said before, it all comes down to common sense

Van D · 12-09-2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by clontarf_x

I agree with what they are asking. Put it this way, a bike I am sure we would all agree is more dangerous than driving a car, yet we dont let 13 year olds drive around in the XR6 now do we?

I don't really agree with that. When on a private property riding a bike, there are (usually) no other people around operating a vehicle/motorbike to have an accident with for starters (same as driving a car on private property). And when riding a motorbike, you have chest armour, helmet, gloves, boots, riding pants/top for protection and whatever else the parent wants to put on the kid.

I've had MANY accidents on bikes on private property (which is generally grass/gravel) where i've come flying off the bike and the worst I got was a broken wrist. I've broken more bones on pushbikes!

BTW, if I were living on lots of land and had a kid, i'd let them drive an XR6 in theory.. If we're talking BA/F it's the same power as a standard falc anyway. Though if we ARE talking new cars, they'd be in the paddock basher as i'd be more worried about the car than the kid :P

XR5Turbo · 12-09-2007, 06:43 PM

Are they going to ban tricycles as well?

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fmc351 · 12-09-2007, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by XR5Turbo

Are they going to ban tricycles as well?

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Only if it has 3 wheels.

70caprigt3k · 12-09-2007, 08:11 PM

I started riding motorbikes when i was 3, had a massive stack first time i rode and countless amounts of stacks throughout the yeaars included going off quite a large embankment and having the bike land on top of me when i was about 6 or 7, the fact of the matter is that someone will manage to seriously hurt/kill themselves doing practically anything. What can you do really?

colossus · 13-09-2007, 08:07 AM

Yep its out of control, too much legislation coming through, too many new police powers for them to abuse, ect ect. It was first driven under the excuse of terrorism, then through media crap (designed to sell papers). Its hard to see who to blame under the - Federalism arrangement i.e. Labor state and Liberal federal set-up (which works well for the legislaters as no one knows who to vote out). Australia despite being a model, free democracy, unfortunaltey has no Bill of Rights like the US which is one of our main short falls. Our freedoms are being constantly erroded (cough, APEC, cough) and all people do is occasionaly complain - if this was France we would be rioting in the street - we are very laid back though, which defines our culture....my eyes hurt Im stopping now...

SVR73 · 13-09-2007, 05:47 PM

Very sad about the child but agree with those who say that it's getting out of hand.
I've been riding a 3 wheeler moto since 1982 when we first got it (honda ATC 185cc) and I've stacked it a few times but we live on the virginia plains so it's all flat and soil is quite soft. A nice fifteen acres.

The problem is people who want their opinions turned into law and those who make them are unrealistic and most likely have never lived on a farm or decent sized semi rural property where you can ride a bike around without causing harm and trouble.They probably don't know what a real ldinky di aussie life is. they sit in their cosy parliament house, fancy apartment or mansion and think they know what's best for us.
I like XCSEDAN's post best of all.

Sometimes I wish I could live through the 70's and 80's again. when you could do what you wanted and have fun as long as it wasn't breaking the law too much. Sure the cars weren't as safe and bad things still happened but it's really getting crazy now.
Heck my father used to drive around the streets of gawler chasing the cops and giving them in his triple s carbed and heavily modded cooper s mini and even drive it with only three wheels down the main street of gawler. '