Should the Australian flag be changed?

[Peuty]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

This was going to be my suggestion as well.

A good point was made that we don't have any 'green and gold' theme on our flag.

So, perhaps the flag as it is now, with the Aboriginal flag in the top corner, the blue background replaced with green, and the stars changed to gold.

Perhaps with a flower, such as a Banksia or Wattle between the southern cross and the 7 pointed star under the Aboriginal flag?

However, while we are still a monarchy I would like it to stay the same.

Holy overcomplicated flag batman

[swanee]

The flag should be kept.

Too many Aussies have died fighting under this flag. Changing the flag would be total disrespect to the Aussie diggers who lost their lives in wars and to Aussie diggers on the front line now.

Leave the flag alone!

[FTE72]

Spend millions *(perhaps billions) changing our flags and logo's all over Aust. and the world.
OR
Fix hospitals/schools/roads/homelessness with said money.

Tough choice.
Leave the flag alone.

[uranium_death]

Before we can change the flag, Kevin Rudd needs to hold a global summit to get the most brilliant people from around the world to tell us what our flag should look like, at the taxpayer's expense of course.

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by swanee

The flag should be kept.

Too many Aussies have died fighting under this flag. Changing the flag would be total disrespect to the Aussie diggers who lost their lives in wars and to Aussie diggers on the front line now.

Leave the flag alone!

Again they ARE NOT the only members of Australian society, they should be respected yes.
But other people have just as important.

If South Africa, Canada and India can grow up so should Aus, send a message we arent just a colony still.

[George1861]

Originally Posted by Nappa

things were a little different to Australia current situation.
Back then the British were (quite rightly) banning slavery, and
the likes of George Washington didn't agree.

The only slave banning going on @ the time was the ending of White slavery in the late 1750s. It was all about Taxes & lack of representation & self determination.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by MethodX

Again they ARE NOT the only members of Australian society, they should be respected yes.
But other people have just as important.

If South Africa, Canada and India can grow up so should Aus, send a message we arent just a colony still.

Yeh I see your point.

21st Century, the world has advanced and history and heritage have no place anymore.

So when is the FPV Hybrid FWD Mondeo GT Hatchback going to finally replace that crappy old design RWD V8 Falcon one we are stuck with at the moment..........

After all MODERN AUSTRALIA is not about power, speed and driving freedom, from some of the posts here I suspect it is all climate change, fuel economy, speed cameras mocha latte and hair straighteners.

Here is a thought, maybe Australia is a leader. mature and happy within itself rather than a me too follow who bends to the latest peer pressure trend and rebels for no sane reason just so as not to feel left out.......

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by flappist

Yeh I see your point.

21st Century, the world has advanced and history and heritage have no place anymore.

So when is the FPV Hybrid FWD Mondeo GT Hatchback going to finally replace that crappy old design RWD V8 Falcon one we are stuck with at the moment..........

After all MODERN AUSTRALIA is not about power, speed and driving freedom, from some of the posts here I suspect it is all climate change, fuel economy, speed cameras mocha latte and hair straighteners.

Here is a thought, maybe Australia is a leader. mature and happy within itself rather than a me too follow who bends to the latest peer pressure trend and rebels for no sane reason just so as not to feel left out.......

Aus is def not a leader, to still fawn over the English depite how they have treated us over the years is not leading.
You can keep the heritage and be proud of it still, Im keping mine, and I dont see your cars changing.

[flappist]

Australia is a great leader.

We always support our allies, never change sides during a conflict, admit when we are wrong and do the best we can to fix it and always play fair.

If we did the opposite of that I suppose the flag could be changed but green white and red is already taken.......

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by flappist

Australia is a great leader.

We always support our allies, never change sides during a conflict, admit when we are wrong and do the best we can to fix it and always play fair.

If we did the opposite of that I suppose the flag could be changed but green white and red is already taken.......

Support your allies to the point of being used as cannon fodder in wars halfway around the world that dont concern you.

But i suppose if you did have a red white and green flag youd be a g8 nation and a world champion.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by flappist

If we did the opposite of that I suppose the flag could be changed but green white and red is already taken.......

I see what you did there, haha. Obscure WWII reference.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by swanee

The flag should be kept.

Too many Aussies have died fighting under this flag. Changing the flag would be total disrespect to the Aussie diggers who lost their lives in wars and to Aussie diggers on the front line now.

Leave the flag alone!

Just to reiterate ...... the many blokes I know (knew) liked to think they fought for the country and for what the flag (including squadron, state, nationallity, whatever) represented, in other words, they fought for their country first and foremost ..... the flag, no matter what design it is (was), became secondary.

Again .... you do relise that the flag has changed 3 times last century, incuding the time between I & II.

The flag, no matter what is on it now and before only represents that country. It is not the country and should not necessarily represent history or past events. If it did it would be a little complicated in design I would think.

I cannot think of a flag of any of the main nations where they have a history lesson on there flag ..... ?



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[gtxb67]

why should the flag be changed - it looks good, it is instantly recognisible from 100 metres and it is simple in design while representing the country

it has been mentioned canada and south africa changed theirs - give me a break - i love red, white and blue, but it needs blue or white to be the dominant colour. the canadian and south african flags had red as the dominant colour and that clashed with the union jack. they were ugly flags and were also too messy. and look what they have now, they may be simple but they are sterile and boring - they haven't got better, just different

[Peuty]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Again .... you do relise that the flag has changed 3 times last century, incuding the time between I & II.

Yes, but they obviously weren't total redesigns like what has been called for now.

Apart from the Commonwealth Star being six pointed, what are the other two changes?

[95falcon]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

This was going to be my suggestion as well.

A good point was made that we don't have any 'green and gold' theme on our flag.

So, perhaps the flag as it is now, with the Aboriginal flag in the top corner, the blue background replaced with green, and the stars changed to gold.

Perhaps with a flower, such as a Banksia or Wattle between the southern cross and the 7 pointed star under the Aboriginal flag?

However, while we are still a monarchy I would like it to stay the same.

I read that and lol'd as I thought it was a joke, but then I realised you were serious. Oh dear.

Originally Posted by US kills Falcon

Not all supporters of changing the flag are anti-British or left wing loonies. We will never feel 100% Australian with the current flag.

Pretty simple, leave. The flag was around before you were born no doubt, and who is this 'we' you refer to? Why don't you feel Australian?
I look at the flag and I feel 100% Australian. I am proud to be considered Australian. I am proud to have the flag represent Australia, the good and the bad.

If we were to become a republic, that is the only time a change should even be considered, and it should not be a drastic one.

/end thread.

[steamin63]

no,leave my flag alone. i'm flying the australian flag from my flag pole as we speak and no RAG will ever replace it. cheers.

[Geez Louise]

I think the poll results speak volumes.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by 95falcon

I read that and lol'd as I thought it was a joke, but then I realised you were serious. Oh dear.

If we were to become a republic, that is the only time a change should even be considered, and it should not be a drastic one.

/end thread.

Oh I see... what you say is serious and must be the 'be all and end all' of the argument, so much so that you declare an 'end of thread' after your sermon. However other peoples opinions are a joke. :

You then conclude by saying what I say anyway.

[mrbaxr6t]

the aboriginal flag has no place anywhere on the australian flag, and for the record don't be messing with my flag, was I the only one insulted by the red photochop last page?

the aboriginal flag was imposed upon them by the british at the time iirc, when the british come here under their union jack the natives had no "flag" as there was no need for them to have one, they were busy hunting and gathering, and most definitely not infighting, and up until that point their interaction with other nationalities was very very limited.

go photochop the american flag and watch them gather a lynch mob and promptly tear you a new one.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Peuty

Yes, but they obviously weren't total redesigns like what has been called for now.

Apart from the Commonwealth Star being six pointed, what are the other two changes?

No they weren't at all ... very subtle but was altered. This will do as a reference .... not bad for remembering history lessons from school!
http://museumvictoria.com.au/federation/pdfs/flag.pdf
Point I am making is it can be changed, it can be discussed and while everyone would have an opinion on it, no ones opinion is right nor wrong. I believe it will stay as it is as it would upset too many and why change for the sake of it?



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[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by mrbaxr6t

the aboriginal flag has no place anywhere on the australian flag, and for the record don't be messing with my flag, was I the only one insulted by the red photochop last page?

the aboriginal flag was imposed upon them by the british at the time iirc, when the british come here under their union jack the natives had no "flag" as there was no need for them to have one, they were busy hunting and gathering, and most definitely not infighting, and up until that point their interaction with other nationalities was very very limited.

go photochop the american flag and watch them gather a lynch mob and promptly tear you a new one.

So, you are a spokesperson for the Aboriginal community? The Australian flag belongs to you only it seems?

A theoretical discussion throwing up the idea of a change of flag and you are 'insulted' by people who vote against your ideas, and, God forbid put forth an alternate design, weather in all seriousness or in jest?

Every page here has a mock up or alternate design, including some put forth by the Mods (mostly as a joke). You have submitted your complaint of disgust and insult to them as well I take it?

Also, is it not 'Un Australian' to limit peoples freedom of speech and opinions?

There are countries that will not tolerate this sort of discussion. We are not one of those countries.

[|||]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

So, perhaps the flag as it is now, with the Aboriginal flag in the top corner, the blue background replaced with green, and the stars changed to gold.

Perhaps with a flower, such as a Banksia or Wattle between the southern cross and the 7 pointed star under the Aboriginal flag?

looks tops

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by |||

looks tops

Haaaa thanks for that |||. After doing my own knock up after my original post I'm not too sure now... perhaps because it's just not what I'm used to seeing as our flag.

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by |||

looks tops

Dont mind that myself.
Blue with white stars would look ok too.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by |||

looks tops

it looks like someone barfed on it
the aboriginal flag does not respresent me or most other australians, so why should it be on the australian flag
i do think that in all official functions, both aboriginal and non aboriginal, that both flags should be flown, but they should not be together on the same flag

i do not care if the flag gets changed or if we become a republic, but i do disagree with the amount of money that will be wasted on either. and if what is in this thread is the best anyone can come up with, then why bother even trying, because they all look like a major compromise at best - lets just put a rainbow and all of the religious symbols in there as well and then everyone should be happy - it will look like crap, but everyone will feel they are being represented

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

it looks like someone barfed on it
the aboriginal flag does not respresent me or most other australians, so why should it be on the australian flag
i do think that in all official functions, both aboriginal and non aboriginal, that both flags should be flown, but they should not be together on the same flag

The same could be said with the Union Jack, couldn't you say?

How many people does the Union Jack represent? It certainly doesn't represent me and my family.

I would be more inclined to argue that a flag represents the nation, rather than the people, and you can argue that the Aboriginal flag, while representing a people, also depicts a natural setting.

This is a topic that can never be resolved without offending someone of course.

Cheers.

[mrbaxr6t]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

So, you are a spokesperson for the Aboriginal community? The Australian flag belongs to you only it seems?

A theoretical discussion throwing up the idea of a change of flag and you are 'insulted' by people who vote against your ideas, and, God forbid put forth an alternate design, weather in all seriousness or in jest?

Every page here has a mock up or alternate design, including some put forth by the Mods (mostly as a joke). You have submitted your complaint of disgust and insult to them as well I take it?

Also, is it not 'Un Australian' to limit peoples freedom of speech and opinions?

There are countries that will not tolerate this sort of discussion. We are not one of those countries.

^^^this one I do not like at all because of the country from which it comes and how they treat their people sorry for not wanting Australia to appear affiliated with them.....

Sorry for being passionate about the flag, which is why it should not be changed and looking at the poll results I am in the majority when I say that it shouldn't be changed.

I personally feel that any change will fly in the face of the short history this nation has and will create a perception in the international community that we have changed and that we as a nation want to distance ourselves from the nations' history. This is my take and is what I feel, if you feel the need to belittle me go right ahead as it will not change how I feel on the subject.

ALSO if the aboriginal flag goes there why not every other immigrant populace, why not just checkerboard the flags of the entire world and make that our flag as there are people in Australia from every country on earth, and some of them outnumber the aborginal population. hm..

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

The same could be said with the Union Jack, couldn't you say?

How many people does the Union Jack represent? It certainly doesn't represent me and my family.

while i see your point - i do not have any real time for the union jack, but it does represent not only where the first white settlers came from, but also the heritage of a very large percentage of white australians from 1788 until the last few decades. for a very long time most people in australia had heritage back to great britain

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

while i see your point - i do not have any real time for the union jack, but it does represent not only where the first white settlers came from, but also the heritage of a very large percentage of white australians from 1788 until the last few decades. for a very long time most people in australia had heritage back to great britain

A lot were forcibly dumped here.
The poor Irish for one.
Why the UK love? boggles the mind.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by MethodX

Why the UK love? boggles the mind.

the flag was made when we were still very much a british based colony/country. that is why it has a british flavour to it. why change for the sake of it - and since all of the designs that take away those horrible british colours look like a patchwork quilt, why would we need to change it. and of course in 20 years time it would be need to change again, because the new generation of australians would not like it