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06-01-2006, 11:25 PM | #61 | |||
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06-01-2006, 11:34 PM | #62 | |||
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06-01-2006, 11:37 PM | #63 | |||
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Mate u got an email addy got something to send ya ..???
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06-01-2006, 11:49 PM | #64 | ||
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fastfasty@optusnet.com.au ???????? as long as it aint no bugs!!! LOL...??!!?
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Refrigerative airconditioners (on recirculation) have to pull down the temperature of the air that is already in the house. If the house is poorly insulated, has drafts or open windows, the refrigerative airconditioner will take far longer to cool the house and use far more energy. Quote:
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If one has the right skill they can perform the majority of the installation themselves. A lot of money can be saved by paying wholesale for an evaporative air conditioner. More money is to be saved by doing the vast majority of the labour yourself. Quote:
For example: -You said that evaporative air conditioners do not reduce the air temperature, when they do. -You said that refigerative air conditioners remove minimal mositure from the air, which is not true. -You suggested that dry bulb temperature is not the real temperature, when it is. -You said that a refrigeration system uses latent heat of enthalpy to achieve results. That is like saying the sun uses mass to achieve results. Quote:
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07-01-2006, 02:54 PM | #66 | |||
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The reason that the majority of the air conditioners imported into Australia are refrigerative is because the majority of evaporative air conditioners are Australian made. |
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07-01-2006, 06:16 PM | #67 | ||
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We've had both at different times. Just out of personel experience, the air cond is better than evaporative.
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08-01-2006, 09:23 PM | #68 | ||
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Well i'm in Melb, so the climate is pretty much the same as Canberra.
I install Split Systems and Box Airconditioners (I'm a sparky) and my old lady has an Evaporative Unit at home. Although the evap units work, they are no where near as effective as a split system, yes i would honestly think that they are cheaper to run over the same time period. Thats just common sense from their comparitive power usage. But the Refrigerated air-cons do not need to be run for the length of periods as the Evaporatives. You need to have the Evap units running for hours on end, and have them running at the start of the day (if its going to be hot) because once your house is hot inside, they wont be able to cool it down, no matter how fast the fan is going, it just wont happen, and if it does, it takes hours. It will come down to cost, as Evap do work, but not really that well, they'll cool the house and have a cheap installation price, but in balck and white, they do not and will not ever work as well as a Refrigerated unit. No one would be able to dispute this.... If you came home, even early in the arvo on a hot day, and went to turn the Evap unit on, it would not cool your house down for hours, if being able to do it at all. I know i live in a house with one! Whereas, if you came home and turned on a Refrig unit, it would more than likely cool the house down within 15 mins or less. There is no doubting that Refrig Aircon is better and more effective. It is going to be double the price to install, but it wouldn't be that much more expensive to run. When i build a house in the future it will definately have Refrig Aircon over Evap, as long as i can afford it. It should really be a price thing for you to decide. Hope that helped mate. |
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08-01-2006, 10:28 PM | #69 | ||
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Thanks to all for your advice and comments.
We've decided to go with a reverse cycle refrigerated unit for the open plan living area, and get ducted evaporative cooling to go with the ducted heating throughout the whole house.
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08-01-2006, 10:31 PM | #70 | ||
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Were getting ducted evapourative cooling put in on Tuesday week. Can't wait. It's 28 degrees in my house at the moment.
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08-01-2006, 10:54 PM | #71 | |||
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Not really, I live in Canberra and my house has gas ducted central heating, and a reverse cycle AC in the family room. When it is before or after the middle of winter and it is cold at night but not 'THAT' cold then we crank up the reverse cycle to take the chill off the living areas, without having to heat the entire house. Then put a Doona on in bed. For the other guy who suggested that "Melb, so the climate is pretty much the same as Canberra." Has obviously never been here in winter, the minimum temp at melb airport is -2.5 deg, at Canberra Airport the min is -10 deg. Perhaps they are similar for a few weeks in the middle of summer but thats about it. Anyone who lives in Canberra and makes decisions about comfort in their house in summer without considering winter needs there head read. Its uncomfortably hot for a total of about 20 odd days or 3 weeks, its freezing cold for over 2 months. |
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08-01-2006, 10:57 PM | #72 | |||
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08-01-2006, 11:20 PM | #73 | |||
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08-01-2006, 11:25 PM | #74 | ||
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We have the evap cooling, and I would suggest that if someone thinks it takes hours to cool then they do not have the correct size unit installed. Ours does not take hours to cool the house.
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09-01-2006, 08:27 AM | #75 | |||
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09-01-2006, 08:54 AM | #76 | ||
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I have found that refrigeration is more powerful, but evaporative is more comfortable. Dry air is no good for your skin.
So.... if your house is well designed and has the right aspect it won't get all that hot anyway, and you can get away with evap cooling. That would be my preference, but my current house has windows in the wrong places and is just stupidly designed, so I have a hugely oversized aircon system that still struggles to keep the house cool. |
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09-01-2006, 12:38 PM | #77 | ||
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i have the perfect mix in my house, fully ducted evap in every room... plus a 1.5hp reverse cycle for the bedroom, and 4hp revcyc for the main living area.. this big mofo does cool the entire house after about an hour of operation..
I had originally planned to use the evap for non humid days and R/Cycle for humid hotter days but after about 2 days use i no longer use the evap for anything except providing some ventilation on coolish nights... R/C is just so much better and yes it costs a bit more, but i have only noticed my powerbill increase by about $50 in the hottest months |
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09-01-2006, 12:55 PM | #78 | ||||
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09-01-2006, 04:17 PM | #79 | |||
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My partner insisted on evap when we moved to Canberra. My view was that we were wasting our money and would end up having to get a A/C unit in the end anyway. We'll I now LOVE the Evap unit and in the past five years , there has been only 1 day when it hasn't worked beautifully. On the recent 43 degree days, the house was a comfortable 25. I'm cooped up in an office all day, so I really like the fresh air breezing throught the house. After work, it only takes about 10 minutes to blow the hot air out of the house. Could I suggest that if you are going to get evap fitted, that you get in the entire house (unless there is some engineering reaon to preventing this). Save the $$$ you were going to spend on the A/C unit for the open plan parts of the house. See how it goes. You can always buy the the A/C unit at a later date. I find evap in Canberra very effective and cheap to run - we happily run it all day and don't worry how much it's costing us. My hope is that you will be impressed by the evap unit. Cheers Paul
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09-01-2006, 06:14 PM | #80 | |||
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But we thought about how we use the house, and with the wife at home with the kids during the day, it would be a better option to get the reverse cycle for both winter and summer in the living areas. It is a year round solution, not just for summer.
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01-10-2006, 02:32 PM | #81 | ||
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Just bringing up an old thread here guys instead of starting a new one...
Those who have installed a reverse cycle wall-mounted split system with the refridgerant unit placed directly outside the internal wall it is located, what's a rough idea of install price? Looking at getting one before xmas |
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01-10-2006, 02:57 PM | #82 | |||
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Depending on what eletrical work is required, I have paid between 400 and 600
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01-10-2006, 11:18 PM | #83 | ||
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Phone around for an install quote; I saved a couple of hundred dollars by comparing prices amongst a couple of installers.
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02-10-2006, 12:12 AM | #84 | |||
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02-10-2006, 09:07 AM | #85 | ||
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I have not read the whole thread, but refridgerated air is the way to go.
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02-10-2006, 09:54 AM | #86 | ||
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In North Queensland it would be 99% AC and 1% Evap.
Those 1% with Evap would be wishing they had AC. Evap is completely useless in the humid conditions on the tropics. AC/DC |
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02-10-2006, 01:28 PM | #87 | ||
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Agreed. Once the humidity kicks in, Evap is pointless.
Refrig AC is the only way to go. Split systems are quite cheap to run these days.
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03-10-2006, 08:48 PM | #88 | ||
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I have got a few quotes today on a couple of reverse cycle splits, one has recommended fujitsu and the other Carrier. Both seem to be at the high end of the market and the quotes are within a few hundred $ of one another, now just have to decide which unit.
I did ask both about evaporative as I wouldnt have an issue with that, but it's an extra couple of grand or so to do each room in the house, plus it's only cooling and the split will do heat & cooling |
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