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Old 21-01-2008, 08:52 PM   #11
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Mate I drove a E90 M3 around eastern creek 2 mths ago at a drive day and F$@k ME it was impressive, 105hp per cylinder reving to 8400 the sound and performance is amazing. Sure these cars arnt within reach of everyone but they are cheaper and more in reach than some compeditors..... and then you have the V10 M5 that is a big sedan, a complete sleeper and press the "M" button and you can race a Ferrari. If they arent all that they are certainly a bit of something else than. Drive an E90 and get back to me on M cars "aren't all that"
E92 M3 is my favourite M3. The first M3 I like. With 400Nm @ 3900rpm that's carried up, 7-spd M-DCT dual clutch copy of VW's DSG gearbox etc.

Doesn't quite have 105hp per cylinder (105 x 8 = 840hp) rather 103.5hp/litre (414hp divide by 4.0litres).

The V10 M5 can race a Ferrari... it sure can. Get lucky in a drag race. That's about it.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=45857713d06da

On all but one track the F430 wins.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=459a87e123ac0

On every track the F360 Modena wins.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=4585baaa80bd2

Finally to give the M5 a majority win you have to go back to an F355. A car released in 1994 with a chassis from 1989 against a car released in 2005. A car with a 280kW 350Nm 3.5 V8 against a 373kW 520Nm 5.0 V10. And yes, despite the weight difference (1350kg F355, 1755kg M5) the M5 still has the power/weight advantage. Now I wonder what would happen if you compared said F355 to the E34 M5 3.8 that was around in it's day?

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=4585baaa80bd2

They don't have them compared on many tracks unfortunately. How about the later V8 E39?

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=4585baaa80bd2

Oh right, the old Ferrari stomps it into the ground.

Yep, those M5's are Ferrari killers alright, comparing them to old, very obsolete models..

The E60 M5 is about equivalent to an FPV F6 Typhoon. The top Aussie metal has always been equivalent, or thereabouts. The VTII GTS300 stomped its rival E39 M5 into the ground. The 215kW HSV's were a pretty even match for the E34. Only when the E28 came out (1986) did Australia really have nothing to throw at it (VL Turbo? : ).

There's also the notion that BMW invented the sports sedan? As far as I know, they had no real rival to cars like the '67 Falcon GT XR, '68 Falcon GT XT, '69 Falcon GT-HO XW etc etc... real sports sedans from the 60s.

Or the 1968-1972 Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3 and 1975-1981 Mercedes-Benz 450SEL 6.9.

BMW is a newcomer to that game, coming in with the M535i and E28 M5 in the mid-late 80's. Aussies have been building proper fast sports sedans before BMW knew what they were. :
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