Toyota 86 price $29,990!

[nstg8a]

Depends on the weight penalty... But yeah I bet it's significant.

[Bossxr8]

Really goes against the philosophy of the car though doesn't it. They wanted light weight etc, surely chopping the roof and adding a tonne of weight is a serious case of whoring out the original idea.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Really goes against the philosophy of the car though doesn't it. They wanted light weight etc, surely chopping the roof and adding a tonne of weight is a serious case of whoring out the original idea.

Maybe it's been designed from the word go to be a convertible as well?

Certainly the mx5 didn't suffer from excessive weight.

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Really goes against the philosophy of the car though doesn't it. They wanted light weight etc, surely chopping the roof and adding a tonne of weight is a serious case of whoring out the original idea.

the only thing i could think of is that maybe the convertable would be aimed at people that like convertables and are not interested in performance?? even thou thats against the orignal idea. it doesnt make much sense too me

[Nikked]

I think Subaru would be more interested in a girly roof then toyota, the BRZ hasn't got near as much profile as the 86, and Subaru already have the Imprezza as their Sports models.

[SteveJH]

Originally Posted by Nikked

I think Subaru would be more interested in a girly roof then toyota, the BRZ hasn't got near as much profile as the 86, and Subaru already have the Imprezza as their Sports models.

I seem to recall the WRX (& STI) being discontinued and the new Impreza platform going all grandma/grandpa specification to save money!!

When (if) the WRX/STI returns, I think there were rumors of it being on a purpose designed platform with a 1.6 litre turbo to meet the new WRC regulations.

[FG50T]

Pity you couldn't engineer one

[Rodge]

Just curious, (apoligies if this is allready stated elsewhere but there's over 1,000 posts so won't go through them all), are they sold out of this car for how long, i.e. how many months is the wait list ?

Edit, just saw post 1025 on the previous page, 2 years wait for a manual and 6-12 months for an auto surely not ???? Anyone else that can confirm that ?

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by Rodge

Just curious, (apoligies if this is allready stated elsewhere but there's over 1,000 posts so won't go through them all), are they sold out of this car for how long, i.e. how many months is the wait list ?

Edit, just saw post 1025 on the previous page, 2 years wait for a manual and 6-12 months for an auto surely not ???? Anyone else that can confirm that ?

The 86 isn't sold out in NZ Rodge. Subaru have got 12 in an initial shipment which are gone.

[XplosiveR6]

Originally Posted by SteveJH

I seem to recall the WRX (& STI) being discontinued and the new Impreza platform going all grandma/grandpa specification to save money!!

When (if) the WRX/STI returns, I think there were rumors of it being on a purpose designed platform with a 1.6 litre turbo to meet the new WRC regulations.

Only problem with that is that Subaru are not in WRC, so why would they care about its regulations... They have lost all their racing pedigree

[SteveJH]

Originally Posted by Rodge

Just curious, (apoligies if this is allready stated elsewhere but there's over 1,000 posts so won't go through them all), are they sold out of this car for how long, i.e. how many months is the wait list ?

Edit, just saw post 1025 on the previous page, 2 years wait for a manual and 6-12 months for an auto surely not ???? Anyone else that can confirm that ?

Also depends on the specification model you want as well.

GT Auto is the least popular and GTS Manual is the most popular.

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by SteveJH

I seem to recall the WRX (& STI) being discontinued and the new Impreza platform going all grandma/grandpa specification to save money!!

When (if) the WRX/STI returns, I think there were rumors of it being on a purpose designed platform with a 1.6 litre turbo to meet the new WRC regulations.

WRX/STi hasn't been discontinued it is becoming a model in it's own right seperate to the Impreza.

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by XplosiveR6

Only problem with that is that Subaru are not in WRC, so why would they care about its regulations... They have lost all their racing pedigree

What a load of crap

There is more to rallying than WRC.

[XR6Runner]

Anybody seen this? Its the BRZ reviewed against the new V6 Mustang. Check it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD3hg...eature=related

[Rodge]

Originally Posted by MAGPIE

The 86 isn't sold out in NZ Rodge. Subaru have got 12 in an initial shipment which are gone.

Interesting. I think they're $41K here but still a lot of car for the money wouldn't you agree ? and I think it makes a lot of other cars here look a bit expensive. I can see them becoming a cult hit pretty quickly in much the same way as the Mazda MX5.

Originally Posted by SteveJH

Also depends on the specification model you want as well.

GT Auto is the least popular and GTS Manual is the most popular.

Thanks for that.

[zdcol71]

I have been reading all the reviews and press I can get my hands on (outside this forum) and I have just read through this thread complete. WOW!!! 36 pages, 26000+ views and over a 1000 opinionons on it on a Ford forum! I guess it's done for a lot of other people what it has done for me,that is, opened up an affordable avenue to be able to enjoy the sheer pleasure of driving a car designed for one reason only....that is ,the sheer pleasure of driving a car! I for one want one and am happy to wait till one becomes available.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by XplosiveR6

Only problem with that is that Subaru are not in WRC, so why would they care about its regulations... They have lost all their racing pedigree

One of the reasons for separating the Impreza from WRX/STi is to make it more competitive for WRC. This has been in nearly every article I have read so the intention to re-enter the WRC is there.

It is also expected to reduce costs since the Impreza and WRX use many common parts which have been considered to be over engineered for the base model Impreza's purposes.

Whether that happens or not I do not know but I'd expect perhaps some of what has gone into this 86/BRZ may be used to help develop the car.

[brydie76]

On a side note, my friend was meant to get his 86 yesterday. Massive cam shaft/timing issues from the get go. Has to wait until at least the end of the month to get the part from Japan and obviously cannot drive it in the meantime.

Law of statistics says that it would happen to somebody, but still, pretty annoyed- he was going to take this to the next V8's round and I couldn't wait to see it haha!!!

[SteveJH]

Originally Posted by MAGPIE

WRX/STi hasn't been discontinued it is becoming a model in it's own right seperate to the Impreza.

But it is not currently in production, correct?

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by SteveJH

But it is not currently in production, correct?

Not sure, best you ask FHI

The current WRX and STi are still for sale in dealers yards so therefore it hasn't been discontinued, and there is no intent to discontinue it unlike the situation with the XR8.

[MITCHAY]

I had to laugh at this. BRZ for sale $63990 :

Buy direct from a Subaru dealer.This is the only one in Australia for immediate delivery,be quick because lifes too short.New car warranty,great finance deals available.

http://www.carsales.com.au/demo/deta...k&sort=default

[flappist]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I had to laugh at this. BRZ for sale $63990 :

Buy direct from a Subaru dealer.This is the only one in Australia for immediate delivery,be quick because lifes too short.New car warranty,great finance deals available.

http://www.carsales.com.au/demo/deta...k&sort=default

What is funny?

You want one, this is how much it costs. To a lot of people $63k is a weeks holiday.

No sillier than people paying $5k for a PS3 or $500,000 for a GTHO.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by flappist

What is funny?

You want one, this is how much it costs. To a lot of people $63k is a weeks holiday.

No sillier than people paying $5k for a PS3 or $500,000 for a GTHO.

Or the inflated prices for BF cobras and 40th GT's...

[Seduce XR6]

Originally Posted by flappist

What is funny?

You want one, this is how much it costs. To a lot of people $63k is a weeks holiday.

No sillier than people paying $5k for a PS3 or $500,000 for a GTHO.

I dont think its Funny as much as its disgusting & plain wrong.

The RRP of a vehicle is just that & just because they have not made enough to go around at this time does not mean they can charge what they want

The fact that yourself & some others also think that this sort of thing is ok is wrong also & shows that you must have more $$$$$ than many.

I do think that this Ad is a joke myself however I have seen more than a few ad's for this very vehicle & the 86 alternative which are way above RRP plus onroads & I would never purchase from a dealer who took advantage of a vehicles lack of supply.

My local dealer has no issue with quoting me normal RRP plus normal onroads & there are a few on carsales selling at that price also instead of huge over inflated prices.

And show me anybody who would pay 63k for this car or 5k for a PS3 & I will show you some sort of idiot who is way overpayed & most likely does not even deserve it lol

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Seduce XR6

I dont think its Funny as much as its disgusting & plain wrong.

The RRP of a vehicle is just that & just because they have not made enough to go around at this time does not mean they can charge what they want

The fact that yourself & some others also think that this sort of thing is ok is wrong also & shows that you must have more $$$$$ than many.

I do think that this Ad is a joke myself however I have seen more than a few ad's for this very vehicle & the 86 alternative which are way above RRP plus onroads & I would never purchase from a dealer who took advantage of a vehicles lack of supply.

My local dealer has no issue with quoting me normal RRP plus normal onroads & there are a few on carsales selling at that price also instead of huge over inflated prices.

And show me anybody who would pay 63k for this car or 5k for a PS3 & I will show you some sort of idiot who is way overpayed & most likely does not even deserve it lol

Disgusting and wrong?
RRP should be the mandatory price?

Did you pay RRP for your car?
Or did you screw them for the cheapest possible price?

It is ok for you to take financial advantage of others but not for them to do it to you?

Or is that different........

[stevz]

They will have that BRZ for sale for a very long time because I don't think there is anybody stupid enough to pay that ridiculously overinflated price.

[Seduce XR6]

Originally Posted by flappist

Disgusting and wrong?
RRP should be the mandatory price?

Did you pay RRP for your car?
Or did you screw them for the cheapest possible price?

It is ok for you to take financial advantage of others but not for them to do it to you?

Or is that different........

RRP or less lol

I actually paid full Driveaway price plus the cost of extra's on my current Vehicle as it was on a decent offer & did not even push for any throw in's such as window tint for free rather paid for this & other extra's at full dealer price when I know I could have paid less if I went to the window tinter etc..

However in the past I have managed to buy new vehicles for less than they were up front (dont you?) ... this is normal & yes ok as a dealer has a margin built in to allow for this & does not need to make full RRP to make a profit so all is good.

However placing a premium on a vehicle just because it is in short supply is just wrong & is simply greed.

So as far as I am concerned a dealer or seller of anything for that matter should only sell for RRP or below & anything else is wrong.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Seduce XR6

RRP or less lol

I actually paid full Driveaway price plus the cost of extra's on my current Vehicle as it was on a decent offer & did not even push for any throw in's such as window tint for free rather paid for this & other extra's at full dealer price when I know I could have paid less if I went to the window tinter etc..

However in the past I have managed to buy new vehicles for less than they were up front (dont you?) ... this is normal & yes ok as a dealer has a margin built in to allow for this & does not need to make full RRP to make a profit so all is good.

However placing a premium on a vehicle just because it is in short supply is just wrong & is simply greed.

So as far as I am concerned a dealer or seller of anything for that matter should only sell for RRP or below & anything else is wrong.

I work on a simple system. I pay what I have to.

If that is a higher amount then I pay it because I want the item.

This whole "it should be cheaper" is most common, unsurprisingly, from those whose income is stable as in public servants and other PAYG employees.

Imagine how you would feel if you were presented with:

This week you are getting a 30% pay cut because thats what we can get someone else to do your job for. When there is no one else available to do your job then we will pay you more.

You know, the exact situation that most small business owners and tradies have to put up with every day....

Now think about this. If you lost your job and then someone offered you a new job, doing the same as you do now but at twice the pay........would you say "No thanks, that would wrong and simply greed, I will work for half that money"............

[DJM83]

I thought this thread was about the FT86?

Valid points though flappy.

[Seduce XR6]

Originally Posted by flappist

I work on a simple system. I pay what I have to.

If that is a higher amount then I pay it because I want the item.

This whole "it should be cheaper" is most common, unsurprisingly, from those whose income is stable as in public servants and other PAYG employees.

Imagine how you would feel if you were presented with:

This week you are getting a 30% pay cut because thats what we can get someone else to do your job for. When there is no one else available to do your job then we will pay you more.

You know, the exact situation that most small business owners and tradies have to put up with every day....

Now think about this. If you lost your job and then someone offered you a new job, doing the same as you do now but at twice the pay........would you say "No thanks, that would wrong and simply greed, I will work for half that money"............

I am not even sure how all this talk of wages & pay cuts or indeed being payed twice the amount for the same job relates to dealers putting inflated prices on cars to make extra profit just because there are not many around at this time, will you address the actual point instead of running of on some other point lol

But I will play your game & answer you Flappy lol

If cheap labour was brought in as does happen & I or others were made redundant then yes that would be wrong & it happens to be something I have strong feelings about, at the same time there are plenty of people getting payed huge amounts of money who simply do not deserve it as it matters not who they are or how good they think they are but in fact it is the results they achieve (many strut about telling everyone they are awesome & they are worth more money) when in actual fact they are not but alas some will believe them & so reward them even though they dont deserve it.

And no matter how much money I make I would still say making an extra profit by ripping others off is wrong.

I happen to run my own Business & charge people way below what most others do for the same type of work & thats not because I dont do as good of a job but simply because I see what some others charge as excessive.

I often re-repair jobs from the rip off places because they have not done it properly but still charged way too much for the poor effort.

As for tradies in general I am sure we can all tell you stories of being charged over the top prices for a poor job when others in the same field often do a better job for way less (I am a case in point).

I am not sure what you do however it sounds to me like you are one of the people who strut about & charge too much, thats why you can simply afford to pay whatever the asking price is lol

You have to understand many are not as lucky as you (even many on this very forum) & to them you saying its ok for a dealer to charge 68k for a 29k vehicle is absurd.