476kw LS9 HSV GTS-R....

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

170k is laughable. More expensive than an M4, C63 etc.

If it sells then it isn't laughable. If FPV made an FG-X GT-HO with the 5.8L Trinity pumping out 493kw and all the requisite chassis upgrades to handle the power, we all here would be circle jerking something fierce. And so we should be, just like Holden fans will be. This will be the best and final car ever made in Australia.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Cobra

If it sells then it isn't laughable. If FPV made an FG-X GT-HO with the 5.8L Trinity pumping out 493kw and all the requisite chassis upgrades to handle the power, we all here would be circle jerking something fierce. And so we should be, just like Holden fans will be. This will be the best and final car ever made in Australia.

Exactly.

[b0son]

The last hipo aussie v8. It will sell for whatever they ask, and collectors will get their money back and then some in 30 years, just like they did on GTHO's.

[LoudPipes]

Originally Posted by b0son

The last hipo aussie v8. It will sell for whatever they ask, and collectors will get their money back and then some in 30 years, just like they did on GTHO's.

It still hasn't happened with the VS GTS-R as you can now buy them for half the original outlay.

What something will be worth in time is such a fickle thing I'd hate to be gambling my money on it.

And giving almost all will be garage queens unlike most of the well used race bred GTHO's you'd have to think there will be too many pristine examples locked away to help push the collectability price up.

[f6_mark]

[QUOTE=LoudPipes;5852654]It still hasn't happened with the VS GTS-R as you can now buy them for half the original outlay.

They were 76k when they were new or 86k if you ticked the blueprint engine option. I would love to know where I could get one for under 40k.

[fgpsi]

That new green colour on the GtsR looks sick!

[b0son]

Originally Posted by LoudPipes

It still hasn't happened with the VS GTS-R

It wasn't the last.

[Junkyard-Dog]

I would buy one if I was a "cashed up" bogan, rather than just the relatively povvo bogan I am.

[mick74GT]

Originally Posted by LoudPipes

It still hasn't happened with the VS GTS-R as you can now buy them for half the original outlay.

Have you seen any selling for half the original price ie sub 40k?

If you have or know of one for that money PM me please

[b0son]

These ones went last year, for quite a bit more than $40k...

https://www.australianmusclecarsales...-build-no.html
https://www.australianmusclecarsales...modore-77.html

[smoo]

Originally Posted by mick74GT

Have you seen any selling for half the original price ie sub 40k?

If you have or know of one for that money PM me please

Surely there are only a handful of fools lining up to drop nearly six figures on these over rated things? Save a house desposit and pick up the better looking senator instead.
They were/are nothing special to warrant the asking prices for them in recent times. A **** factor rear wing, stand out colour and carbon fibre bits... And power level the same as that on a base model BMW 540i or MB E420.
Their asking prices (same as EB, EL GT, BF Cobra) have ridden on the wave of the boom for the classic Bathurst legends... Something the GTS-R isn't.

Fair to say that Aussie muscle started to up its game with the AU and VT series 2, to now where the VF is a viable alternative to some of the Euro stuff. Safe bet HSVs send off model will be more sought after than everything post Group A before it.

[mick74GT]

Originally Posted by smoo

Surely there are only a handful of fools lining up to drop nearly six figures on these over rated things? Save a house desposit and pick up the better looking senator instead.
They were/are nothing special to warrant the asking prices for them in recent times. A **** factor rear wing, stand out colour and carbon fibre bits... And power level the same as that on a base model BMW 540i or MB E420.
Their asking prices (same as EB, EL GT, BF Cobra) have ridden on the wave of the boom for the classic Bathurst legends... Something the GTS-R isn't.

Fair to say that Aussie muscle started to up its game with the AU and VT series 2, to now where the VF is a viable alternative to some of the Euro stuff. Safe bet HSVs send off model will be more sought after than everything post Group A before it.

I had a VS Senator. I was a bit of a VS tragic hence I like the old GTSR.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by mick74GT

I had a VS Senator. I was a bit of a VS tragic hence I like the old GTSR.

Me too. I was a kid when the old man had VN-VS, and have a soft spot for them. But $70k plus for the GTSR, stupid money, no justification behind it.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by 40RDT

Exciting times at HSV for the moment until the commodore is gone, will be interesting to see the performance times..

I'm sure HSV will claim some BS time, but in reality there's a fair chance it will just be a wheel spinning nightmare off the line. I would expect in the real world that times will only match the GTS.

Originally Posted by FG50T

A close friend works at a HSV dealership in inner Melbourne. He pulled out a 2 page list of people who had handed him deposits for one last time I saw him. There was over 30 names, he said only the first 4 will be getting one if they're lucky. I'd definitely buy one! Same goes for a W427 though.

Just like the W427, they had hundreds of deposits but ended up only selling half what they planned cause they all baulked at the 120k asking price. If this is 170k watch the same thing happen here.

[Ford17]

I remember when someone in our then-suburb bought one of those GTS-R's brand new.

His house would have not cost that much more (I suppose maybe double that of the GTS-R).

In today's perspective, that's sort of like owning a $1m house, and having a $500k car.

[DJM83]

One was spotted today in tow on the way to Lara for some testing id say, i cant find the article though, but there was a picture in it.
Edit- found it
https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/news/17...g-with-no-camo

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by DJM83

One was spotted today in tow on the way to Lara for some testing id say, i cant find the article though, but there was a picture in it.
Edit- found it
https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/news/17...g-with-no-camo

image

I think that's the Gen F 3 Clubby and not th GTS r

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

I think that's the Gen F 3 Clubby and not th GTS r

Well there you go, i dont follow em too closely so assumed it was. It actually wasnt the article i found. There was a white car with camo on the rear being towed.

[FG50T]

Originally Posted by smoo

Surely there are only a handful of fools lining up to drop nearly six figures on these over rated things? Save a house desposit and pick up the better looking senator instead.
They were/are nothing special to warrant the asking prices for them in recent times. A **** factor rear wing, stand out colour and carbon fibre bits... And power level the same as that on a base model BMW 540i or MB E420.
Their asking prices (same as EB, EL GT, BF Cobra) have ridden on the wave of the boom for the classic Bathurst legends... Something the GTS-R isn't.

Fair to say that Aussie muscle started to up its game with the AU and VT series 2, to now where the VF is a viable alternative to some of the Euro stuff. Safe bet HSVs send off model will be more sought after than everything post Group A before it.

Until the VT2 HSV the GTS-R was top dog for power for four years in the HSV world. Thats a long time. Imo it's got the best interior and the best engine Holden created in that decade. Never mind Euro power numbers because they're nothing a like. Strokers were the **** and still are.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by DJM83

One was spotted today in tow on the way to Lara for some testing id say, i cant find the article though, but there was a picture in it.
Edit- found it
https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/news/17...g-with-no-camo

image

They don't test Holdens in Lara.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

They don't test Holdens in Lara.

Oh well where ever it was going.

Originally Posted by Cobra

If it sells then it isn't laughable. If FPV made an FG-X GT-HO with the 5.8L Trinity pumping out 493kw and all the requisite chassis upgrades to handle the power, we all here would be circle jerking something fierce. And so we should be, just like Holden fans will be. This will be the best and final car ever made in Australia.

Well said, saying 170 will be laughable is just stupid in my eyes. Last one ever, last of the breed blah blah.

[Fab]

Originally Posted by DJM83

One was spotted today in tow on the way to Lara for some testing id say, i cant find the article though, but there was a picture in it.
Edit- found it
https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/news/17...g-with-no-camo

image

The rear bumper looks very Civic Type-Rish.
I like it but not in that colour though.

[cro142]

A lot of would-be "investors" are going to be badly, badly burned in buying last Falcons and HSV's for future profits.

Even if they get more than they paid, it can still easily be a major loss after counting costs and inflation against other better investments.

Even a GTHO bought in 1971 for $5K and sold for $500K today would struggle to match a similar property investment. If you count paying no rent for 45+ years, then the GTHO is a dead loss. I bought my first house in 1972 for $6,600, now it's worth $500K.

It is unlikely any future aussie car will perform as an investment as well as the HO has done - this happened for special reasons, probably never to be repeated.

Buy one of these last cars to flog and enjoy for a few years, then sell it for 40% of what you paid, and you will be in front compared to mothballing it and getting no pleasure from it.

Ho Hum.

[PHawk]

Originally Posted by smoo

Surely there are only a handful of fools lining up to drop nearly six figures on these over rated things? Save a house desposit and pick up the better looking senator instead.
They were/are nothing special to warrant the asking prices for them in recent times. A **** factor rear wing, stand out colour and carbon fibre bits... And power level the same as that on a base model BMW 540i or MB E420.
Their asking prices (same as EB, EL GT, BF Cobra) have ridden on the wave of the boom for the classic Bathurst legends... Something the GTS-R isn't.

Fair to say that Aussie muscle started to up its game with the AU and VT series 2, to now where the VF is a viable alternative to some of the Euro stuff. Safe bet HSVs send off model will be more sought after than everything post Group A before it.

Fools don't have that sort of money.

[Iggle Piggle]

Originally Posted by DJM83

One was spotted today in tow on the way to Lara for some testing id say, i cant find the article though, but there was a picture in it.
Edit- found it
https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/news/17...g-with-no-camo

image

That's a different style 'vent' on the front guard isn't it?

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by cro142

A lot of would-be "investors" are going to be badly, badly burned in buying last Falcons and HSV's for future profits.

Even if they get more than they paid, it can still easily be a major loss after counting costs and inflation against other better investments.

Even a GTHO bought in 1971 for $5K and sold for $500K today would struggle to match a similar property investment. If you count paying no rent for 45+ years, then the GTHO is a dead loss. I bought my first house in 1972 for $6,600, now it's worth $500K.

It is unlikely any future aussie car will perform as an investment as well as the HO has done - this happened for special reasons, probably never to be repeated.

Buy one of these last cars to flog and enjoy for a few years, then sell it for 40% of what you paid, and you will be in front compared to mothballing it and getting no pleasure from it.

Ho Hum.

Yeah you make valid points, but

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by cro142

A lot of would-be "investors" are going to be badly, badly burned in buying last Falcons and HSV's for future profits.

Even if they get more than they paid, it can still easily be a major loss after counting costs and inflation against other better investments.

Even a GTHO bought in 1971 for $5K and sold for $500K today would struggle to match a similar property investment. If you count paying no rent for 45+ years, then the GTHO is a dead loss. I bought my first house in 1972 for $6,600, now it's worth $500K.

It is unlikely any future aussie car will perform as an investment as well as the HO has done - this happened for special reasons, probably never to be repeated.

Buy one of these last cars to flog and enjoy for a few years, then sell it for 40% of what you paid, and you will be in front compared to mothballing it and getting no pleasure from it.

Ho Hum.

Yep and if you left that money untouched in a term deposit for 45 years you would have even more.

Buying cars in the hope that they will make money over time is nothing but a folly. Most if not all would also need a full rebuild/restoration in that timeframe too.

The only ones who will make money are the manufacturers themselves.

The only car I can think of that would give good gains is the Phase 4...good luck with that.

PS. You must have had a small house, in 1972 we paid $17,000 for 3 bedrooms in the Perth nthn suburbs.

[cro142]

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

PS. You must have had a small house, in 1972 we paid $17,000 for 3 bedrooms in the Perth nthn suburbs.

Yep, it was a small house in outer Brisbane - 9 squares of high-set Fibro 3 bed, base quality spec house. Basically a dump, even when new. The same type of house sold for $17,000 about 12 months later when inflation started to hit.

Nonetheless, that little dump is now worth $500K - mostly location and land value.

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

Yep and if you left that money untouched in a term deposit for 45 years you would have even more.

Buying cars in the hope that they will make money over time is nothing but a folly. Most if not all would also need a full rebuild/restoration in that timeframe too.

The only ones who will make money are the manufacturers themselves.

The only car I can think of that would give good gains is the Phase 4...good luck with that.

PS. You must have had a small house, in 1972 we paid $17,000 for 3 bedrooms in the Perth nthn suburbs.

Speaking of investments , if someone bought 5000 bitcoins in June 2009 (about $0.50 worth) they would be worth 4,000,000 right now.

[ebv8]

not sure if posted before but just saw this on fullboost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhD73M-rxZs
stock 479kw makes 337rwkw thats about a 30% drivetrain loss
still a great number but along way off the flywheel number
i know its got bigger driveshafts and bigger diff but still

speaking of investments they are only worthwhile if you actually sell the thing, keeping a car as an investment is crazy. i'm keeping 2 of my toys until i die, the first is my 1of1 BA GT that maybe i could double my money in 10 years maybe not and the other is my wes cooley GS1000S, i could sell and triple my money now but i want to use them and enjoy them. if i have a 479kw GTS-R in my garage i'd go crazy if i couldn't drive the wheels off it