Ford Announces New Engine Direction

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by SirHenry

/Rant On

Not meaning to be personal here guys but Have you ever lived in a town that has a major employer I was born and grew up in a town where the meatworks was THE major employer it employed over 50% of the towns workers when one of the abbatoirs shut the follow on effect on the town is devastating, Small businesses crash because their customers no longer have the money to buy goods from them, depression, suicides etc skyrocket because there is no other employers/jobs....

Yes you can say "Whats the problem they've got 3 years notice" but its like me saying you've got 3 years left to live and then saying to you but its alright you've got 3 years what your problem. Also
Where the heck are these people going to find a similar job , hmm Elizabeth South Australia maybe... or perhaps asia somewhere working for a quarter what they are now....

/Rant Off

Not it isn't it's saying we no longer require you as of this date, giving people 3 years to look around and see what they are qualified to do.

It's not fords fault or problem if these people are not qualified to do anything else, and if they don't have any other skills, it gives them 3 years of planning to get them.

If it was 3 months i can see a problem, but 3 years come on guys thats alot of time to get your $#!T together, what did ford have to do give them 5, 7, 9 or 15 years notice?

[Full Spectrum]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

What like Toyota's 3.0L V6 : Where they were recalled for headgasket issues in every country but Australia : And when a headgasket blows in a V6 you have to replace both of them, which increases the cost than just doing one on a I6 engine.
Also on a V6, replacing a headgasket usually involves removing the engine, where on an I6 you dont have to do it.

Who told you that:P.. Someone is selling you porkies on the removal of the engine.

[asusdragon]

well i dont really like the idea, i like the low down torque and note of and I6 well as i from thinking today, i think ford should drop the falcon name altogether, and well i am thinking my next car might be a commonwhore V8 ute, seeing as i just brought this car i got it for 5 years by then ford will have a V6 and i will be looking at other car companies

[Piotr]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Cylinder deactivation only works because its a pushrod engine, its yet to be developed for an OHC engine, and is unlikey to happen.

WRONG. Mitsubishi 4G92 1.6L 129kw had Modular Displacement in 1993. It was dropped in 1996.

And there are plenty more examples.


Also as 4Vman said the way the cylinders are arranged has nothing to do with how much torque they produce.

[Serial_Fool]

Well I for one feel disgusted, the inline 6 of the falcon was its main drawing point against the v6 crapadoores when i became a ford fan. Something has to be done before the discontinuing of the I6 like a trial between I6/V6 to see which sells better in the Orion (like someone said in the official topic).

We need more tarrifs on imported cars so our manufacturing industry ( like it was in the 70's to the mid 80's) can stay alive with locally produced cars being bought by local people.

No more asian V6 crap to be undercutting us then.


Anyway discuss.

[Ando_Leigh]

Sure seeing the I6 going is sad but what did ever1 expect?
if you have to choose between the barra or the falcon there is really only one option.
it is pretty hard to have a 6 and no car for it.

Unfortantly having so many cheap imports now really hasn't helped.
also i no people will say it not the goverments fault but with so much tax on fuel and soon to be on LPG wat can ford do, not much if people can't afford one.
and with import tarrifs to be cut this is just another blow.

I quite like the idea of the V6 it is a tried motor and has already proven itself to be quite good with alot of room for improvment.
I do hope however we can manuerfacture it here as i do think ford oz could add there own little thoughts to it.

[BLDNUT01]

nobody has said anything about the jobs the full plan has not been decided and not even which V6 they are going to use i guess you could say the button plan has helped the decision they need to cut cost to compete at 5% it is cheaper to import then Aust will become the global RWD/AWD platform

[SirHenry]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

Hey, you are totally wrong here, nobody owes anyone a job

If I employ someone to mow my grass for $20, im not obliged to pay him to mow my grass again next week.

If I go buy groceries from wollies and I spend $100, im not obliged to shop there and spend another $100 next week

If Ford employes 600 people and they are no longer required, its not Fords problem, at the end of the day, Ford dosen't owe them a living.

/shakes head

I am not saying Ford owes anyone a living, if you actually read my post what I am saying is spare a thought for the people of Geelong it is a very very sad day for the whole Geelong community.

[perrys]

Well you are for one a really EDUCATED person.

[Bucknaked]

Originally Posted by perrys

Well you are for one a really EDUCATED person.

Come on. He has an opinion and he posted it. Not sure an insult is really needed.

[Serial_Fool]

Sarcasm is anger's ugly cousin, Perry.

[Falcon Freak]

Originally Posted by Donut King

Drama Queen much?

Seriously quit it with the FUD, the sky is not falling and it is not the end of the world. If the rumors turn into a real world announcement it will be the end of an era yes, but if you honestly think that the I6 is capable of carrying Falcon into the future without substantial changes that Ford simply don't have the budget for, you are dreaming. It's done well for a 40 year old design, but technology has come a long way since then.

This whole ordeal sounds much like what the doomsdayers were saying when it was discovered the tickford wings were not to continue and look how accurate they were.

It is said that ignorance is bliss and the uninformed posts on this forum confirm this. The ramifications of today's announcement goes far beyond the 600 Ford employees who will lose their jobs by 2010. I have been a Falcon man all my life but I think my loyalty to Ford has reached the end of the line.

FF

[shepv8]

Originally Posted by asus_dragonorb

well i dont really like the idea, i like the low down torque and note of and I6 well as i from thinking today, i think ford should drop the falcon name altogether, and well i am thinking my next car might be a commonwhore V8 ute, seeing as i just brought this car i got it for 5 years by then ford will have a V6 and i will be looking at other car companies

Does anyone have any genuine figures to offer in regards to power/torque.
Many people have posted that they will miss the I6's torque. Are you assuming that, because holdens V6 has less torque than our I6 , the same will apply to our engine. There are a lot of assumptions regarding this as yet unseen engine.

What a loyal bunch we are. We stuck with the blue oval through the non V8 years 82-91 and the woeful AU fiasco ,yet the announcement of a new , presumably better powerplant to help the company out of finnancial disaster is all it takes to jump ship.......
... will be interesting when they announce the diesel falcon variant...

[jonbays]

whats this asian V6 crap business. I remember when ford were the big V6 kings in UK with the Capri. Ford have a good V6 heritage there and it was sold here against the Torana 6. The inline six will be missed but its a packaging disaster. the days when it was an advatage to be able to sit on the guards with your legs in the engine bay to work on a motor have long gone. pity for Geelong and i don't feel as bad about buying the Aurion now.

[Full Spectrum]

Originally Posted by asus_dragonorb

well i dont really like the idea, i like the low down torque and note of and I6 well as i from thinking today, i think ford should drop the falcon name altogether, and well i am thinking my next car might be a commonwhore V8 ute, seeing as i just brought this car i got it for 5 years by then ford will have a V6 and i will be looking at other car companies

V6's have plenty of low down torque, unfortunately some have them set-up to have more torque higher in the rev range with there power..
Older V6's on the 90's here had 90% of there torque just off idle..
The Aurion is the worst example of late Torque but when it does move it goes very hard.

But it's never the end of the world i can't see why some are taking there bat and ball and going home.

[mcflux]

Originally Posted by asus_dragonorb

well i dont really like the idea, i like the low down torque and note of and I6 well as i from thinking today, i think ford should drop the falcon name altogether, and well i am thinking my next car might be a commonwhore V8 ute, seeing as i just brought this car i got it for 5 years by then ford will have a V6 and i will be looking at other car companies

Wicked logic there, Columbo. Surely my interpretation of what you're saying isn't correct:

"Although I don't like Ford's plans for dropping the straight six as I luff it, I believe Ford should scrap the Falcon range altogether and I will go one further and buy a completely different vehicle".

Awesome overreaction, bloke.

[asusdragon]

i doubt it will be anywhere near what a i6 put out at low revs,


so there going to be a new engine layout new trans to suit, to me i will never see it as a falcon, so why should it be called one

as for going somewhere else, i like my torque in low revs of a I6 and atm i not a big fan of ford's v8 it just doesnt have a gruntly v8 note. i need torque for the towing so loigical idea to me with be a commonwhore v8

[shepv8]

Originally Posted by Ando_Leigh

Sure seeing the I6 going is sad but what did ever1 expect?
if you have to choose between the barra or the falcon there is really only one option.
it is pretty hard to have a 6 and no car for it.

Unfortantly having so many cheap imports now really hasn't helped.
also i no people will say it not the goverments fault but with so much tax on fuel and soon to be on LPG wat can ford do, not much if people can't afford one.
and with import tarrifs to be cut this is just another blow.

I quite like the idea of the V6 it is a tried motor and has already proven itself to be quite good with alot of room for improvment.
I do hope however we can manuerfacture it here as i do think ford oz could add there own little thoughts to it.

I doubt it will be manufactured here. The engine plants in america punch out engines in the millions each year. Production costs are way down on our limited number I6 egine plants. The same reason why Holden put the gen3 in the commodore a few years ago.
Fords best bet to stay in business and keep jobs is to develop the falcon platform to become a global vehichle as Holden have done. Limited run parts like I6 motors that are specific to 1 country/model of car are not where the long term financial security will be found. Falcon needs to share as much of its components with other models aound the world ie mustang

[Serial_Fool]

The negatives of the I6 always were out numbered by the positives. God damn this 'globalisation' ford have in their mind, the falcon will never be the same beyond 2010 in my eyes nor will any member of my family purchase a V6 Falcon.

[asusdragon]

Originally Posted by Serial_Fool

God damn this 'globalisation' ford have in their mind, the falcon will never be the same beyond 2010 in my eyes nor will any member of my family purchase a V6 Falcon.

true that

and i really dont see a falcon going global, the american ford cars will take most of that,

[MethodX]

If its a good V6, and looks like it will be then why not?
You will still get rear wheel drive cars.

Could be worse.
Taurus or 500 anyone?

[Serial_Fool]

So 40 years of Australian heritage means nothing?

[mcflux]

Which began in America...

[Raptor]

If the main engine isn't an inline 6 the 2010 Aussie Ford just shouldn't be called a Falcon as far as I'm concerned, its time for a new name.

Let the Falcon nameplate go to that big scrapyard in the sky and join other icons like the Kingswood and Valiant.

[McobraR]

Umm if you guys havent noticed, Ford is losing heaps of money. I think its a smart thing what Alan Mulally is doing. Its better to see that money used on more important stuff like keeping Ford alive.

[asusdragon]

So 40 years of Australian heritage means nothing?


and the huge money that was spend on the barra to make it what it is, all really down the drain, and what happening with the money the australia ppl gave to ford to put into the barra to make it euro3 compaint

[McobraR]

Originally Posted by Raptor

If the main engine isn't an inline 6 the 2010 Aussie Ford just shouldn't be called a Falcon as far as I'm concerned, its time for a new name. Let the Falcon nameplate go to that big scrapyard in the sky and join other icons like the Kingswood and Valiant.

wouldnt actually be a bad idea. Might please the majority that dislike the decision.

[Serial_Fool]

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Which began in America...

......but how long have we been making them since Ford NA stopped using them? 20-30 years?

[Fordmuscle1965]

: A falcon without a straight six is like a willy without its nuts. Just wont look right when the bonnet is lifted. :

[Pumpit]

A V6 in a Falcon? All the engineering and experience that went into the I6 donk down the toilet?

Words fail me.