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LIKE A BOSS 351
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2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 details emerge
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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didnt that 5.4 engine get killed off due to not being able to meet emmisions on a decent budget?
Having invested in 40 million in the new 5.0 litre i couldnt see them going back to the old engine.. |
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Luxojet
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I don't see why they don't just twin supercharge the 5.0 to get the 351kw easily.....makes sense to me ;)
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Pro Street Au Ute
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why? In the last streetfords mag they had stock 335 gt's putting out nearly that at the wheels.
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I'm taking this and all the other articles reporting the news with a grain of salt at the moment. Heres why:
1. One article is reporting the extra displacement will come from boring the 5.4 as opposed to further stroking. I can see this as feasible given the 5L cammer engines having an increased bore, but i'd question if the subsequent weaker cylinder walls would be adequate for the increased forces from the higher power motor. 2. They're reporting this for the 2013 model year, which will be on sale 1-2 years before the heavily updated 50th anniversary model. They're saying though this will lose some of the retro themes as well as some other changes. Have they gotten confused with what tech could possibly go into the 50th anniversary model or are they expecting the current MY10 based model to be sent off with a bang? 3. This article makes that throw away line about changing the name of the GT500. Are they serious, or just trying to make a joke? 4. 400cc and a more efficient supercharger will no doubt produce the extra power, but is it really needed? Could the new supercharger not produce the extra alone? Is the current package unable to pass durability tests at a higher rating? |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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2. 351kw has nothing to do with 351 cubic inches (or the original 351 V8), you may as well be saying the Hyundai Sonata 4 cyl engine has 351 parts, therefore it is a 351... I mean come on, who cares if it's not a real 351? The engine that Ford builds today that is closest to the 351, is the new 6.2. It shares the same bore, and has a little bit longer stroke. Though I don't think would be the best way to go. Personally, I think Ford should just add direct injection and twin turbos to the 5.0, and call it a day. |
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Luxojet
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I said 351kw because those are the numbers we hear here in Australia more commonly.
My post wasn't too serious, I mean really, a twin superchager in a stock car? Interesting.
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It would mean more to the purist if the 351 badge returned and was in relation to the 5.8L displacement, having this number represent power rather than displacement is just a show trick. I'm letting my mind run wild with the possibilities of a N/A version of the 351 returning, it's just more fun that way.
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Excessive Fuel Ingestion
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+ 1 for the cubes......
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Straight Eight
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Yeah... cubes are better. Is this an increase in displacement of the all alloy 5.4?
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![]() ![]() EDIT: I wish my 351's (5.8l) had 351 kw too!
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Peter Car
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Won't the 5.4 go out of production soon?
I know the iron block truck 5.4's have already, so why would Ford bother increasing the capacity of a soon to be dead engine. The GT500 will get a Coyote derived engine at some point surely, supercharged most likely. It will have too, they won't continue with the 5.4 forever, especially with the 5.0 and 6.2 already in production and a generation newer. |
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Im not sure if they've reached the limit of natural aspiration from it already as the compression ratio's are pretty high. But that's for running on American coconut water as oppopsed to our rooty fruity jungle juice. My best guess would be bigger heads... increased bore and stroke. Failing that. EcoBoost that thing with two turbo's. That's a sure way to increase horsepower. |
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i thought the new 5l had a 5.8l version as well?
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The big deal (IMO) will be a direct injection Coyote in the coming years if it is feasible...
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fair enough. What about the twin turbo version apparently getting designed
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I miss my wheelbarrow
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I am confident that a 3.700" bore GT500 is not only feasable, but probable. Quote:
It uses a 115mm bore spacing (Modular is 100mm) and the 6.2L Bore is 4.02" compared to Modular 3.552"..... the 6.2L only has a 3.74" throw crank compared to the 5.4L Mod's 4.165" Daniel Last edited by CAT600; 18-03-2011 at 12:11 AM. |
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I still think if theres any changes its likely just to be the new blower. I dont see any new displacement engines. The 5.4 is an orphan and the 5L still needs to make its bacon from F150 sales, so i think a new derivative of either engine would be a big ask unless its going to be used on a large scale.
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You dig, we stick!
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And for how long have a I had this signature?.?
" ... 3.3... 4.1... 4.9... ?.?... "
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I miss my wheelbarrow
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Any word on if the "Supercondor" will be called GT500 or Boss351 Youssef?.... Daniel |
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I don't care what they call it; just make it RHD!!!!!!!!!!!! ![]() ![]()
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Peter Car
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It asked could we see the return of the 351 under the bonnet of the Falcon. |
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But then why would FPV and Ford send themselves down different development paths?
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