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Join Date: Dec 2004
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Get a load of what Senator Brown wants to do. Which way do you want it Bob? I like that he's passing the buck already to "future goverments"
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Sun City, North Australis
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Its been said quite a few times that the carbon tax only applies to corporate polluters, not the average household or small buisness.
I cant see why large companies should even be compensated???
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Stanthorpe QLD
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how is it not going to effect households and small buisness theyy can not compensate for all the higher prices we are going to pay.
Also theyy are going to have a gst windfall because every price rise brings them more gst. Small buisness will get nothing so they have to pass it on. Ian
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Sun City, North Australis
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And who are the big polluters in Australia?
Mines and coal fired stations... we dont even have any other major industries anymore in this country. The biggest squealers so far are mines.... and how will they pass it on to the average house hold? Most of our mines are selling their product overseas. Therefor they cant raise prices to remain competitive and must reduce emissions to pay less of the tax. And no im not in favour it as it really doesnt solve anything, but the hype being dished out doesnt have anything solid to stand on as the governemnt hasnt even released all the details of how it will work (or not!)
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Stanthorpe QLD
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power will sky rocket under this the mines will have to recoup some how they will either shut down or reduce staff niether will help us.
Ian
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Perth
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Most of us rely on coal and/or natural gas - we can't afford to put solar panels on our roofs. And if electricity goes up, so will everything that relies on it. Expect to pay more for pretty much everything as businesses pass on the increased costs. Hence the need for compensation, in one form or another. |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Filling up
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The government has stated many times that we will see increased costs (households and small business) Google carbon tax there are plenty of articles where various government figures have stated that households will receive some compensation to try to offset the extra costs due to the carbon tax. They have not finalised the detail yet, but I doubt there will be compensation for small to medium size businesses. As such some, depending on the industry they are in, some will move offshore, others will face greater overseas competition and possible closure, and some will see very little change. Edit comparisons of electricity costs these are rough, but to give you an idea Australia pays approx. $0.20 Kwh, USA $0.10 Kwh, China $0.028 Kwh.
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Walking with God
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Melbourne
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1. I do not for a second think that man made global warming is real. Sure temperatures change, but surely the sun has more effect on the world than we do?
2. For goodness sake - everyone wake up. CO2 isn't pollution. If we stand by and swallow this load of malarky, then they'll be able to justify taxing every breath we exhale. 3. Taxing us (with the aim to make us stop consuming these products that produce Co2) is a moronic idea of the highest order. Will we really not use our lights at night, and turn off air conditioners/coolers and heaters when it's hot or cold? Why does Julia want to smash our economy for 1.4% of the world's so called "pollution"? All this will do is further smash the local industry and have more jobs moved overseas. If this stupid idea does get up, then it should only be on the basis on the following. 4. It's not a level playing field until each nation signs up to the same sort of deal. Even then, it'd still be darn stupid, but at least we'd all be taxed by the same system. 5. Any nation that eventually does get taxed, should have to pay for their % of the so called pollution. Rant over GK
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Ivory Tower
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Where does this notion that CO2 is a pollution comes from, and why should business be compensated for creating CO2. Businesses should be punished for polluting the environment, air and waterways, not compensated for emitting a trace gas.
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Join Date: Jun 2009
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get the feeling some loony bum puncher is pulling the strings....
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Centrefold Lounge
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No matter how much you whinge and complain, its going to get passed through anyway.
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Umm ?? The oil is from decaying vegetation etc... How come most the oil around the world comes from deserts ??? Climate change has been going on for years...
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Geelong
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Cant believe they had to go all the way to Europe to find someone with something good to say about a carbon tax .
Please people correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Spain almost gone broke , Germany is winding back because its sending them broke . studies in Europe done for every green job created 3.7 jobs have been lost . I for one am not happy about it firstly i didn't like being lied to by raggedy Ann and secondly i don't want my taxes going to the UN. Plus if we reach our target we drop the planets temperature by something like 0.0000001 degree celsius or something to that effect . As far as i can tell wanting a carbon tax is like wanting to be violated |
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There was an interview this morning on the ABC 24 morning news show. Where they did have someone saying that a carbon tax would be useless and it would cost to much and not really reach its objective. But it would be better to just invest in a green industry. I wish I could find a link to it, but there is nothing on the ABC website.
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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Was emailed this in February:
=== February 28, 2011 12:00AM Tim Blair From: The Daily Telegraph * BY how much will your carbon dioxide tax reduce Australia's temperature? * IF after five years there has been no recorded decline in temperature, will the tax be abandoned? * MULTIPLE choice! How much money has already been wasted by Australian federal governments on pointless climate change initiatives that have done nothing: a - $2,000,000,000 b - $3,500,000,000 c - $5,500,000,000 * IF taxing Australians at a certain level will make us more competitive with the rest of the world, as you claim, then surely taxing us at even higher levels will make us more competitive still. Universal taxation at, say, 80 per cent should make us a global powerhouse. Why are you holding Australia back? * YOU claim that Australians want this new tax. How about testing your theory at an election? * IF I announced on television that I was going to kidnap the federal Cabinet and put them through a series of deadly Saw-style torture tests, do you think I could avoid charges by asking the police to stop going on about "semantics" and "word games"? * DO you have any experience in herding cats? This might be important during your coming 16 months of negotiations with the Greens, who you seem to have forgotten are completely insane. * CONSIDERING Labor couldn't run a simple grocery pricing website and Labor's attempts to insulate houses ended up setting them on fire and killing people, what are the odds Labor can successfully run the country's largest and most complicated tax regime? * LABOR promised to reduce the number of boat people arrivals. As with everything else, Labor's policies resulted in exactly the opposite outcome. Now you're trying to change the weather. Where should people hide? * CARBON dioxide contains two oxygen atoms for every one carbon atom. Shouldn't we call it an "oxygen tax"? * IF the aim of the carbon tax is to change behaviour, why are you planning to compensate so many households? They'll just keep killing the planet and get no penalties at all. * AT what point does carbon dioxide's necessary presence in the atmosphere become "pollution"? * IF the carbon tax is definitely going to be introduced on July 1, 2012, how come Tim Flannery is going to be paid $720,000 over the next four whole years while he roams the country "explaining" it? * ISN'T explaining new taxes your job? Or, more specifically, Wayne Swan's? For that matter, where was Wayne the other day when you announced this massive new tax? You were there, and so was Bob Brown and Christine Milne and Greg Combet and Tony Windsor and the Hairy Princess. But no Wayne. The next time you see Wayne, could you ask him why he said this last August: "What we rejected is this hysterical allegation that somehow we are moving towards a carbon tax." This question should really be asked by journalists, I guess, but they're too busy making excuses for your hilarious lies. * WHAT is the point of building a $27 billion national broadband network to deliver computer connectivity across the nation when Greg Combet is telling people to turn off lights and televisions? * ANOTHER thing: how much more cost will be added to the NBN courtesy of the carbon tax? * AGRICULTURE, which produces around a quarter of our carbon dioxide output, is exempt from the carbon tax. You're not really serious about this whole "carbon pollution" deal, are you? * WHY don't you just ban the mining, burning and export of coal? Your boss Bob Brown wants to. He thinks that coal caused the Queensland floods (or "water pollution"). * YOU'VE said that people shouldn't be worried about media estimates of the amount they will be penalised. Why should they believe you? * HOW does taking money off person A and giving it to person B help the climate? You'd be surprised, Ms Prime Minister, you really would, at the way clever lawyers can shift investments and capital around so that the source becomes "agriculture". * IN 2007, Labor Resources Minister Martin Ferguson said that a mere $30 carbon tax on local flights would "kill the Australian aviation industry both domestically and internationally". If he was right, what does that mean for all Australian industries facing a carbon tax? * WHAT level of bureaucratic expansion will be required to deal with the intake and dispersal of something like $10 billion per year? * WILL your compensation plans take into account Australia's regional differences in living standards? Because if they don't, hard-up families in Sydney are going to be giving money to the well-off in Adelaide. * WHAT percentage of revenue from the carbon tax will be lost in bureaucratic churn between it being collected by your Government and handed out in compensation? * INSTEAD of creating a tax system that eventually gives people their money back, why not just let them keep their own damn money in the first place? * ACCORDING to you, "there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead". Would you mind telling us who does lead this Government, then? Otherwise I've sent this to the wrong person. === Last edited by BA-Fan; 08-03-2011 at 11:15 PM. |
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Hmmmmmmm!!
Join Date: May 2007
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Can we hit the DSE with Tax, for "burning off" and creating Carbon.
Has anyone ever hit Uncle Bob Brown about one of the Government dept's creating a huge carbon release? Bob Brown....pffft |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Geelong
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This is what happens we you learn economics from bob brown . I'll give you a crash coarse on this tax Take for example you wnat to buy some rice grown by aussie farmers Bascally Plow the feild - takes petrol/diesel = carbon tax seed it - again same thing fertelise it - again same thing + ferterliser cost more because the tax herbercides/pestercides - same as above harvest it - petrol again = tax ship it to processing - petrol again = tax processing -uses electricity = tax packaging - oil and electricity = tax delivery - tax again supermarkets - electricity = tax again If you dont think those costs wont be lumped on top of the price of a packet of rice think again . An this is the best bit the rice that comes from asia doesn't get taxed Which one do you think people will buy . |
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Solution Was Boost 4?, 6 & 8
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Surprised it has lasted this long, as it was only last week same topic was closed.
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