Speed Camera Delemia

EL_futuraistic · 14-10-2005, 10:10 PM

Hey guys.

Tonight on my way home, i noticed a speed camera. Being fairly wary, i slowed from 60 to 55 just to be sure. Another vehicle sped past me in the right lane (2 lane road) and the flash went off.

The question im asking is will i get the fine?? and if so is there anything i can do about it?

Im usually one to just cop the penalty but this time i know i wasnt speeding.

xdc351 · 14-10-2005, 10:25 PM

You should be OK, I've been in a car that had the same thing happen and no fine came through. If you do get a fine in the mail make sure that you appeal it!

Teki04 · 15-10-2005, 01:51 AM

The sensors in the road know WHICH lane the offender was in.... you will be fine.

AUIII · 15-10-2005, 02:42 AM

I had the same thing happen to me and fine didint come through.

Panda · 15-10-2005, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by EL_futuraistic

i slowed from 60 to 55 just to be sure

Why??

60 is the posted speed limit, you don't have to drive below that limit to be legal.

Panda

svo347 · 15-10-2005, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Teki04

The sensors in the road know WHICH lane the offender was in.... you will be fine.

WTF????

LUXO_8 · 15-10-2005, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by svo347

WTF????

i was thinking the same...
what sensors in the road....??

red_october · 15-10-2005, 12:32 PM

Same thing happened to me quite a while back, and I didn't get any 'You're busted' letters, so it's all cool.

The Dok · 15-10-2005, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MADNC_8

i was thinking the same...
what sensors in the road....??

He's either thinking "red light camera", or "overhead speed cameras" that seem to proliferate almost every 2nd intersection & free/toll-way around Melb metro these days.
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Teki04 · 15-10-2005, 06:58 PM

Um.... speed cameras.... they work by sensors on the road..... the box on the side of the road just takes the picture..... have a look at the road next time you drive past a camera. About 2m infront of the camera, there is a sensor on the road that calculates your speed.....

Dezza · 15-10-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Panda

Why??

60 is the posted speed limit, you don't have to drive below that limit to be legal.

Panda

I do the same because you can be booked for an inaccurate speedo. I have no idea how accurate it is, but when I sit on the speed limit, I overtake A LOT of cars. Better to be safe than sorry.

LUXO_8 · 15-10-2005, 07:05 PM

90% of speed cameras are mounted to the front of the car parked at the side of the road..... which bounce a radar off your car and back to the camera car.....no "sensors" at all...

The Dok · 15-10-2005, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Teki04

Um.... speed cameras.... they work by sensors on the road..... the box on the side of the road just takes the picture..... have a look at the road next time you drive past a camera. About 2m infront of the camera, there is a sensor on the road that calculates your speed.....

Um....now I'm confused.....in your first post you stated "in" the road which lead me/us to think "traffic cams", now you say "on" the road..... to my knowledge they do not use that setup here in Vic....

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Teki04 · 15-10-2005, 07:08 PM

OH, thats a diff story. But, considering he says there was a flash, im guessing it was a FIXED speed camera. They do have fixed speed cameras in Geelong and Perth yea?

Valknutr · 15-10-2005, 07:11 PM

no, if you check the roads in NSW around some speed cameras they have strips inbedded int the road that trip when you cross them to quickly which causes the camera to go off, unless you get the infra red cameras

cArSiK · 15-10-2005, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MADNC_8

i was thinking the same...
what sensors in the road....??

no he is quite correct , in sydney there are many cameras with road sensors that trip the camera. Next time you drive through a speed camera look for three faint lines in the road , they are your sensors.

XRchic · 15-10-2005, 07:35 PM

I think everyone is a bit confused here.

Firstly, I take it the original poster was doing 55 in a 60 zone? If so, you should be fine because even in Vic, you have a tolerance of 3kmh. And generally, if there are two cars in the one picture, they will disregard it and no one will get fined (assuming they cant tell which car was doing what speed).

Also, most speedos are under, not over and I think they are made that way on purpose - most are 3kmh or so under. The easiest way to tell is get hold of a GPS unit and check - thats about as accurate as you can get.

Here in SA, we hardly have any fixed cameras at all, so I dont know about the road sensors... I am assuming that you are saying the sensors in the roads are attached to FIXED cameras? So in SA, we mostly have car mounted speed cameras, which are mobile (and hence have no road sensors).

Non-fixed speed cameras also have a flash - they sit the flash in front of the car to which the camera and speed detector are fitted to, and it goes off very brightly - I know!

But in any case mate, you should be fine, even in Victoria!!!

Teki04 · 16-10-2005, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by XRchic

Firstly, I take it the original poster was doing 55 in a 60 zone? If so, you should be fine because even in Vic, you have a tolerance of 3kmh. And generally, if there are two cars in the one picture, they will disregard it and no one will get fined (assuming they cant tell which car was doing what speed).

Yea, exactly. Fixed cameras in Sydney CAN tell what lane you were speeding in. The sensors run through all lanes and are able to tell the camera which lane the offender was. It will take a pic of all the cars, but the camera will mark on the photo which lane the speeder was in.

Also, i have seen these fixed cameras on the south cost and central coast... so its not just a sydney thing, it is a NSW thing

Karnage · 16-10-2005, 05:38 PM

and if it was a mobile "radar" speed camera, then you will be fine anyway, From what I have been told from Mr. Plod in the duration of the flash several pics are taken, from this they can work out which car is the offender, hence if you are doing 20kph over and the bloke next to you is doing 25kph over, you'll get away with it!!!

svo347 · 16-10-2005, 05:43 PM

You lot are unlucky our speed cameras normally have an idiot hanging off the end of it.

Jason[98.EL] · 16-10-2005, 05:52 PM

in victoria its supposed to be that if there is more than one car in the pic then neither should get fined

Smoked · 17-10-2005, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by XRchic

If so, you should be fine because even in Vic, you have a tolerance of 3kmh.

Not anymore, been reduced to 2km/h tolerance.

masters24 · 17-10-2005, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by heljas

in victoria its supposed to be that if there is more than one car in the pic then neither should get fined

So if "Jim and Joe" were street dragging and they both go through a speed camera at 90kmh in an 50 zone, neither of them will get busted?

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Keepleft · 17-10-2005, 11:29 AM

If the VIC camera was a fixed unit, then the sensors are embedded into the road surface. He will be fine.

I have sympathy that some driver's slow down from the indicated speed limit when nearing and passing these, some do it simply because they are perhaps frustrated or otherwise annoyed at the 'seemingly' unnecessary placement of these at point of installation.

Some transport employees bank on that reaction just as they would also like to reduce the 'keep left' emphasis on zones 80km/h and above, they see this, as an additional means of controlling 'speed'.

NSW Labour women MP's from the North Coast are strong supporters of the new 'point to point' speed cameras to be installed on the newly upgraded dual carriageway sections of Pacific Highway, all very 'predicatable' I say. These will detect if you have been found to be exceeding the speed limit 'for a time' by arriving at the last camera point ahead of a pre-measured time, typically based on a car doing the speed limit along the route.

Similar in operation to the NSW Safe-T-Cam system, which incidentially South Australia has and is adopting now, with both States interchanging 'live data' on heavy vehicle movement. I received South Australian legislation on this matter a few months ago.

Realistically, the moves signal that 'no change' insofar as raising a speed limit to perhaps reflect 'modern realities' would occur on the subject routes.

17-10-2005, 11:40 AM

If you recieve a fine in the mail there should be an option to order, for a price, a photo from the camera (I had a great photo of my Escort when I got nabbed years ago!)
If there is more than one car in the photo then you should be able to fight the fine.
In Victoria the Police have been known to send the fine off in the hope that you will just pay up no questions asked.
Good luck.

EL_futuraistic · 19-10-2005, 11:07 PM

Yeah thanks guys.

It was in Victoria, and it was a Santa Fe with that black box in the grille and the blue box with headlight style flash placed about 2m infront of the vehicle.

yeah, slowing to under the limit b4 a speed camera is just a habit, especially in victoria the revenue state.

Guess i will just have to wait it out, i am usually one to just pay fines but this one if it eventuates i certainly wont.

the_scotsman · 20-10-2005, 12:17 AM

Yep I can vouch for the sensors embedded in the road, here in the NSW South Coast thats all we have...over in the UK its the opposite, every camera uses Radar...