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Getahaircutandgetarealjob
Join Date: Jul 2007
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Following on from this thread on the death of the GTHO Phase IV:
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11369265 ... just something for discussion. The XR GT had a 289 V8 with disc brakes. The XT had the 302, XW had the 351, and the XY had the 351 heavily warmed over. But still with pretty basic discs, drums and suspension. My question to the learned masses is: What 1972 capable things should Ford have put into the Phase IV? Your answer should note that whatever you decide to include in your 1972 bullet on wheels should be available in that year (no computers, ABS, stability control, or the like). Please write legibly in blue or black pen and pass your papers forward at the end of the exam.
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Not so much should have but maybe that should be could have. I'll start and say rear disc brakes.
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jun 2009
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alloy heads, rock n rolls, decent manifold
and better brakes.. |
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Join Date: Jan 2007
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-Magnesium door hinges
-Fiberglass boot, bonnet and doors -Alloy bumpers -hemi heads -Twin 4 barrels
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"Shut the gate".....Last of the V8's.
Run all the items as per the famous lines in Mad Max when the Mechanic dude, aka Barry, is giving the run down to Max on the engine spec's as per the Black interceptor Coupe.....Phase 4 heads, twin overhead cam's...."600HP thru the wheels", ![]() Also note = To correct some of the GT statement in the opening post = The first XW's had the Windsor 351, but the Clevo's fitted to the later P2 XW's actually had a much "warmer" camshaft grind than the refined & more "user friendly" camshaft as fitted to the 351C in the P3 XY GT. Cheers. Last edited by Gavin Thomas; 24-06-2012 at 05:14 PM. |
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VFII SS UTE
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Central Coast
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well 4 wheel ventilate disk brakes, bucket seats with harness seatbelts,
hidden roll cage. these were all available at the time, maybe help with the saftey aspect of govco.
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Join Date: Apr 2009
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The main thing was to use the better brake pads.
Better shocks. Get rid of your tyres when they were 1/2 worn as they got hard and were even more useless even tho they were rubbish new ![]() |
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Join Date: Apr 2008
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an insurance discount!
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Join Date: May 2009
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One of them polarizer things, i heard they did things only in dreams.
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Join Date: Jun 2007
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there was nothing wrong with the car as such. it was a much more refined car than the phase 3. the rules for racing and what was suitable for the road were always going to cross paths at some stage. if it wasn't the phase 4 that was canned, then it would have been the phase 5 or 6 or whatever the doomed racing/production car was called |
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From the Futura
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Canberra, Australia
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4 link rear with coil springs and verticle shocks
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* 1973 ZF Fairlane 500 *
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You should wash your mouth out mate - as they were just a "gimick" thing fitted to cheap opel based commodores. ( Also late 80's - so your a generation & 1/2 past the mighty XA P4 GT anyway ). The only real achievement it caused was to create the divide that saw GMH & Brocky, rest his soul, part ways. |
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Quote:
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Definitely 4 wheel disc brakes. Perhaps with the use of the 15 inch Bathurst Globes, could they have used a slightly larger disc on the front?
and +2 to the comment about coil sprung rear suspension. This was tech and design easily within Ford's reach at the time.
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Rear discs would of helped , A bullet in evan green would`ve helped so much more
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Since there was no computer modules back in the 1970s, I'll throw mechanical fuel injection into the mix
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Mostly the things Ford already had in the pipeline, like the rear discs.
Roller rockers would have been one of the best things they could have done, considering how many engines they lost over the next few years due to rocker failures in Group C. Makes me wonder why they never fitted roller rockers for durability, yet they went to the effort to hand machine the combustion chambers of the Ph 4 heads, which would have been very time consuming and expensive. |
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Cynical Idealist
Join Date: Jan 2012
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427 SOHC engine!
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In a real flight-of-fantasy a "no dollars spared" Phase4 could have had the lot .. as in 1972 a lot what is standard equipment in cars now (aside from the junk we don't need for driving like iPods, etc) was already in-progress .. like airbags: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbag Quote:
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Cynical Idealist
Join Date: Jan 2012
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The 427 SOHC existed in 1972 (actually, it was a few years out of "production" by then).
Actually, I suppose a Coyote DOHC Indy engine could have been converted to a front engine configuration. That would make an interesting addition.
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But ford loved the leaf rear, the FG ute rear leaf setup is not all that bad now. |
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Landau Tragic
Join Date: Aug 2010
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Had the supercar scare not happened, i think by the time the phase 5 was rolled out we would have already seen rear disc brakes, perhaps larger front brakes from a galaxie adapted, as well as engine improvements like roller rockers, better intake and exhaust/headers. No doubt there would have also been earlier installments of electronic ignition, and probably better hugging seats for race duties. Perhaps also some of the stiffer bracing as fitted to later P5's and Landaus at the A pillars. Potentially a larger winged sump as well. I don't think Ford would have gone to the extent of coiul rears. It was costly enough as it was, without such a major change to the car. The rest is more bolt on mods.
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dry sump..
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From the Futura
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Canberra, Australia
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when they built the coupe body they could have put the shock set up already used in the capri, and adapt the coil spring hardware from the 1972 torino.
... and zinc plate the things.
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