need wine price advice

rdmr · 30-12-2013, 01:48 PM

I have a bottle of 1975 wolf Blass cabernet sauvignon shiraz my mum wants to me to sell for her on eBay. It's a special jimmy Watson trophy edition. What should we expect to get for this?

Pub247 · 30-12-2013, 02:29 PM

The problem is though jimmy watson torphy is a good award the wolf blass that won it in 73,74,75 was the black label dry red claret wine.

So uinless you got that one its probably not worth much at all. Wines are more valued by vintage not the actual age

xisled · 30-12-2013, 02:29 PM

If it is full you can't sell it as you don't have a liquor licence. eBay will pull it down.

rdmr · 30-12-2013, 05:28 PM

Bugger about eBay.
Yes it is a black label from Langhorne creek barossa valley.

Road Games · 30-12-2013, 07:18 PM

Has it been cellared correctly ?

There is a good chance it has turned and as such isn't worth anything sad to say ...

I have a collection myself but nothing earlier than 88'

I learnt my lesson !!

rdmr · 30-12-2013, 08:05 PM

Cellared correctly, I only know it's been on its side and not standing up and maybe moved here and there.

Pepscobra · 30-12-2013, 08:39 PM

Try taking it to an independently owned liquor store in your area (if there's one left)... the owner may have buyers keen on it and will let you know what it's worth.

cosworthfreak · 02-01-2014, 02:13 PM

The last sale price for that vintage was $120, but if selling through a wine auction house you'd have to deduct around 15% as a sellers fee.

The sale price will depend on the bottle being cellered correctly (constant temp between 12-14 degrees C, at least 70% humidity, no light, no vibrations, stored on it's side).

Visually, an undamaged label and capsule will help, the level of wine in the bottle will also affect the price. For a wine that age, it would be expected that the wine level would be at least around the base of the bottle's neck.

There are three main wine auction houses you could use to sell:

Langtons (Sydney/Melbourne)
Sterling (Perth)
Wickmans (Adelaide)

but there will be various general auctioneers around who also do wine auction days.

Good luck.

Jamie

**MercurySilver** · 02-01-2014, 05:25 PM

id keep it
langhorne creek is a bit of a drive from the barossa lol

and yes you can sell it on ebay
you can get a licence for i think its $40 and it lasts the duration of the listing
guy at work has done it (i never have as i keep most of mine of give it away)

you can cellar it how you like but if they use cheapo grade corks it'll leak regardless
you can always get your bottles recorked too
ive seen them do it at work on older vintages they store for ref samples

cosworthfreak · 04-01-2014, 11:21 AM

I re-read your first post, and wanted to clarify that the price I quoted was for the '75 Wolf Blass Black Label Cabernet Shiraz which won the Jimmy Watson trophy that year.

If you have one of their less expensive wines from that year, then it still may be worth something if the bottle/label is in good condition, but probably around a third of the price I quoted.

A good picture of the label would help me identify what you have.

Cheers
Jamie

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosworthfreak

The last sale price for that vintage was $120, but if selling through a wine auction house you'd have to deduct around 15% as a sellers fee.

The sale price will depend on the bottle being cellered correctly (constant temp between 12-14 degrees C, at least 70% humidity, no light, no vibrations, stored on it's side).

Visually, an undamaged label and capsule will help, the level of wine in the bottle will also affect the price. For a wine that age, it would be expected that the wine level would be at least around the base of the bottle's neck.

There are three main wine auction houses you could use to sell:

Langtons (Sydney/Melbourne)
Sterling (Perth)
Wickmans (Adelaide)

but there will be various general auctioneers around who also do wine auction days.

Good luck.

Jamie

Pedro · 04-01-2014, 12:42 PM

When my wife’s parents moved into a nursing home we had to clean up their house and sell it. In a storage area below ground level under the house I found some bottles of wine, amongst which was a 1968 Baileys of Glenrowan Shiraz. The cork was brown and bulging under the metal wrap with signs of leakage so I assumed it was gone but kept it as a talking point.
Fast forward to a couple of years ago and we were invited to dinner where the hosts were opening a 1989 Grange. So I took the 68 Baileys along to show them. After consuming the Grange (which we found to be a bit of a disappointment) we decided to open the Baileys as well. The cork fell to pieces and we decanted the wine through a cloth filter. When it came to tasting, we all looked at each other in amazement ... it was one of the best Shiraz's any of us had encountered.

sgt_doofey · 04-01-2014, 11:03 PM

Perhaps, just give Wolf Blass a call and see what their advice is and they may be able to give you a rough estimate on the value of the bottle.

**MercurySilver** · 05-01-2014, 10:53 AM

good idea
its only up the road huh doofey :P

sgt_doofey · 05-01-2014, 02:17 PM

Yep. If it was me, I'd drive up there to sample other wines of theirs whilst I was at it...

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Morexbs · 05-01-2014, 04:08 PM

I have a dumb question.Can you tell if a wine has turned without opening it?

xrystl · 05-01-2014, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Morexbs

I have a dumb question.Can you tell if a wine has turned without opening it?

My sisters inlaws used to have a fine dining Restaurant in Sydney from the mid fifties to the mid seventies , they moved to the Gold Coast in 1977 after selling the business , they bought with them all their stored wines from the restaurant (about 400 bottles) some dating back to the beginning of the fifties and they were kept in racks in their garage - I used to stay with them whenever I was on the Coast for a Holiday and we often went out to dinner and as they were non drinkers we usually just consumed soft drinks with our meals , on one occasion we went to a BYO Restaurant and it was decided to take a few of the stored bottles of wine , we took 2 bottles of red and one white and they were over twenty years old- we opened the red and it was full of sediment and was un drinkable the white smelled and tasted like vinegar - the owner of the wines spent the next few days checking all the bottles for sediment and all the reds were the same "just full of sediment" , he sought expert opinion about the wine and was told it was purely poor storage and there was no way to make it good , eventually they all went to landfill - apparently Red wine has a very limited shelf life (and as for an earlier post) has to be stored correctly "temperature & humidity are critical as is the seal of the cork".

cosworthfreak · 05-01-2014, 11:48 PM

Yeh, good storage is the key to enjoy old wines. That's why those really serious about wine will buy their favourites as soon as they get released, and then pop them straight into the best storage conditions so they last.

Along with good storage, bigger bottle formats (Magnum, Jeraboam etc) can help a good wine live even longer as the air-wine ratio is lower. Put simply, more wine for the same amount of air in the neck.

As far as knowing if it's off without opening it, a bulging/weeping cork, low wine level in the bottle (meaning more air in there to oxidise the wine), and for whites a darker gold colour than it should have. These aren't hard and fast rules though, as one that looks dodgy can be good (and, unfortunately, some that look good will be bad, even a relatively recent release). The introduction of the screw cap to wine bottles has helped get away from the risks of cork, but it can still be affected by heat, light etc.

Many old reds will have sediment and still be ok, as long as it isn't stirred up when you are getting the wine out. Carefully decanting the wine into another container, while being careful to leave the sediment in the bottle, will help. Some even filter through muslin cloth (or even a tea strainer).

Wine can be a funny old thing, but when you find a good one it is bloody beautiful.

Jamie

rdmr · 06-01-2014, 08:19 AM

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rdmr · 06-01-2014, 08:22 AM

And another mum wants to sell. Any ideas on value for this one?

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rdmr · 06-01-2014, 08:24 AM

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cosworthfreak · 06-01-2014, 10:45 AM

From the pics, the port set looks to be visually good. The most recent sale price I could find was 2010 and the set went for $36. Some of these old ports can be real treasures to drink, and I'd be tempted to keep them and drink one on a special occasion.

The Wolf Blass Black Label looks alright too. Even if the level in the bottle is down below the neck, a collector may still want it because it's quite good visually.

Jamie

**MercurySilver** · 06-01-2014, 05:03 PM

yeah hard to tell without tasting if its gone to vinegar
but a ****** leaking old cork is usually a good sign and more than likely it has gone

not always tho
had a leaky Lawsons once and we cracked it and it was actually still fine so mustve only just started leaking

that port looks ok in that box

cos freak is on the money
a lot of collectors are just that, colelctors
half of the stuff thats 30 or 40 years old wouldnt even be drinkable
but theyre not collecting for the taste

me?
i get what tastes nice
and usually its gotta be at a min of 5 years old
ive got a couple of the Sydney swans labelled 2005 premiership editions here
should see what they're worth