Covid 19 -

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Polyal

I am hanging on waiting for hotels to advertise half price rooms, coming down to melb over Easter and havent booked yet based on this...honestly would have expected some announcements on all these services by now they must be hurting.

If you want to stay in the Northern suburbs close to the airport check out Hyatt Place in Essendon Fields, it's pretty reasonably priced, the facilities are good too as it's new, there's a restaurant attached to it and it's a short walk from the 59 tram on Matthews Avenue if you want to go into the city and Keilor Road Niddre restaurant strip is around the corner.

Alternatively Atlantis Hotel on Spencer Street in Melbourne CBD is a cheap 4 star hotel about 200m away from Southern Cross station if you want public transport access.

They'll both be around $200 per night across weekends but sometimes you can get the Atlantis for $90-$130 per night during the week.

Might be public holiday tax involved though.

I got a room at the Treasury Hotel in Brisbane for $156 which I'm pretty surprised about given its next to the casino but accomodation everywhere other than Melbourne and Sydney seems cheap

[XByoot]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

If you want to stay in the Northern suburbs close to the airport check out Hyatt Place in Essendon Fields, it's pretty reasonably priced, the facilities are good too as it's new, there's a restaurant attached to it and it's a short walk from the 59 tram on Matthews Avenue if you want to go into the city and Keilor Road Niddre restaurant strip is around the corner.

Alternatively Atlantis Hotel on Spencer Street in Melbourne CBD is a cheap 4 star hotel about 200m away from Southern Cross station if you want public transport access.

They'll both be around $200 per night across weekends but sometimes you can get the Atlantis for $90-$130 per night during the week.

Might be public holiday tax involved though.

I got a room at the Treasury Hotel in Brisbane for $156 which I'm pretty surprised about given its next to the casino but accomodation everywhere other than Melbourne and Sydney seems cheap

Essendon fields Hyatt is good. Plus it’s near Lamana which is an excellent perve, I mean source of yummy stuff

[asagaai]

Who needs high oil prices and feral Greenies on speed to slow the world economy when we just have a new viral gift from China!

The economic ramifications of this over 4-5 months for the world are difficult for me to fully comprehend. Those people with little cash reserves and most at risk (casuals with no permanent employment and sick leave) will be exposed.

Also reading that the traditional owners of this land are more acutely exposed to these new viral infections- their immune systems have not developed to deal with dirty Peaky Blinder living conditions of UK midlands....

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by asagaai

The economic ramifications of this over 4-5 months for the world are difficult for me to fully comprehend. Those people with little cash reserves and most at risk (casuals with no permanent employment and sick leave) will be exposed.

I'm in that boat.

I called ANZ last week and asked if there were any options to defer mortgage payments for a month or 2 while the slump in casual work was happening.

NO was their reply.

So I pressed a little harder... suggesting that if I deferred my payment for 1-3 months they could add that to the term of the loan.

Oh, yes, you can do that, I could also have a payment plan, breaking my repayments into smaller ones spread out.

BUT. they will need to report me to the credit rating people as a default.

Much the same as if I simply did nothing and refused to pay.

Wonderful people aren't they... those few months will have the world of difference in a 20 year loan.

All the banking help seems catered to business customers.

Lets see what happens this week... I'm sure I'm not the only one worried about where the next loan repayment will come from.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I'm in that boat.

I called ANZ last week and asked if there were any options to defer mortgage payments for a month or 2 while the slump in casual work was happening.

NO was their reply.

So I pressed a little harder... suggesting that if I deferred my payment for 1-3 months they could add that to the term of the loan.

Oh, yes, you can do that, I could also have a payment plan, breaking my repayments into smaller ones spread out.

BUT. they will need to report me to the credit rating people as a default.

Much the same as if I simply did nothing and refused to pay.

Wonderful people aren't they... those few months will have the world of difference in a 20 year loan.

All the banking help seems catered to business customers.

Lets see what happens this week... I'm sure I'm not the only one worried about where the next loan repayment will come from.

How good are they? I'm looking forward to their non flexibility causing a ****load of mortgage defaults and they all flood the market with repossessed houses

The damage that this will cause is immense if we cop huge numbers of casual job losses, imagine if the hospitality industry closes.

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

How good are they? I'm looking forward to their non flexibility causing a ****load of mortgage defaults and they all flood the market with repossessed houses

The damage that this will cause is immense if we cop huge numbers of casual job losses, imagine if the hospitality industry closes.

I remember when Whitlam stupid total incompetence destroyed my old mans business and many other business went under back in the day, then when Keating destroyed the old mans business again as well as all the rest, that went like wild fire everyone got caught out because they had no money to pay you for the work that you did or they would not pay you. I don't remember the government giving a toss to anyone.
I remember watching the News at times and we knew what was in store for us the next day, no one is going to pay you and you had no work.

I remember getting shafted all the time as well working for the old man and not getting payed for 6 weeks 3 weeks 4 weeks you name it and below the going rate, worked 7 days a week 10hr and 12hr days at least. payed half rate and for 8hr work only.
So I learned to save money and when working for myself I could handle 3 months out of work, you could always find work but it was not worth working for $3hr in your hand after tax and all if you were lucky or it cost you to work or you never got payed for a job and if I were to try get the dole I would of just been told to f off directly as your a contractor.
On top of all this people said what's the problem man in total ignorance and I would say well come on lets see you deal with such in reality, 1 week without pay and they would have a total spack attack the good for nothing bludgers would go on strike, it would be oh me oh my being hit with reality f that's savage, when most are living in a fantasy world.

And people are worried about no work for 3 months everyone should be able to deal with that, if not they will have to dig into there Super. hard times ahead.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by XByoot

Essendon fields Hyatt is good. Plus it’s near Lamana which is an excellent perve, I mean source of yummy stuff

Lamana closed this week to restock according to darling daughter

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

If you want to stay in the Northern suburbs close to the airport check out Hyatt Place in Essendon Fields, it's pretty reasonably priced, the facilities are good too as it's new, there's a restaurant attached to it and it's a short walk from the 59 tram on Matthews Avenue if you want to go into the city and Keilor Road Niddre restaurant strip is around the corner.

Alternatively Atlantis Hotel on Spencer Street in Melbourne CBD is a cheap 4 star hotel about 200m away from Southern Cross station if you want public transport access.

They'll both be around $200 per night across weekends but sometimes you can get the Atlantis for $90-$130 per night during the week.

Might be public holiday tax involved though.

I got a room at the Treasury Hotel in Brisbane for $156 which I'm pretty surprised about given its next to the casino but accomodation everywhere other than Melbourne and Sydney seems cheap

Thanks mate Ill look into those, will still hold off another week to see how ti falls.

With all the corporate cancellations I would expect some books to free up.

The next question will be morally do we travel? Tough one.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Polyal

The next question will be morally do we travel? Tough one.

We have a trip to Lord Howe Island booked for April. If the LHI council dont lock the island down, we're still hoping to be there. If they do, thats the only way we'll get a refund, travel insurance is meaningless in a pandemic.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Thanks mate Ill look into those, will still hold off another week to see how ti falls.

With all the corporate cancellations I would expect some books to free up.

The next question will be morally do we travel? Tough one.

I guess we'll all end up with it eventually so what's the difference if you get it now or later? I'm not planning on 'social distancing', the weekends are still fair game for me.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I guess we'll all end up with it eventually so what's the difference if you get it now or later? I'm not planning on 'social distancing', the weekends are still fair game for me.

We have 2000 ICU beds nation wide. If 5% of cases require critical care, that's equivalent to 40,000 cases total. While we can stay on top of it, the mortality rate remains low, under 1% with high level/quality care.

If we exceed the number of ICU beds, the mortality rate increases. Italy has a better health system than ours. But its capacity has been exceeded, and this is reflected in the mortality rate:

Mar 2 - 2036 cases, 52 deaths, 2.5% CFR
Mar 9 - 9172 cases, 463 deaths, 5.0% CFR
Mar 16 - 27980 cases, 2158 deaths 7.7% CFR

The whole point of trying to slow the spread is to reduce the burden on the hospital system.

But hey, if you think it's acceptable, then don't complain if you have a bad reaction to it, and rather than receiving care, you're triaged instead in the hallway like they are in Italy... and left to die.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by b0son

We have 2000 ICU beds nation wide. If 5% of cases require critical care, that's equivalent to 40,000 cases total. While we can stay on top of it, the mortality rate remains low, under 1% with high level/quality care.

If we exceed the number of ICU beds, the mortality rate increases. Italy has a better health system than ours. But its capacity has been exceeded, and this is reflected in the mortality rate:

Mar 2 - 2036 cases, 52 deaths, 2.5% CFR
Mar 9 - 9172 cases, 463 deaths, 5.0% CFR
Mar 16 - 27980 cases, 2158 deaths 7.7% CFR

The whole point of trying to slow the spread is to reduce the burden on the hospital system.

But hey, if you think it's acceptable, then don't complain if you have a bad reaction to it, and rather than receiving care, you're triaged instead in the hallway like they are in Italy... and left to die.

Mortality rate is 0.2% in my age group - its very much the exception not the rule, I'll take my chances - more chance of winning lotto than karking it from the beervirus.

Absolute worst case for Australia they quoted 150,000 deaths by the time its done and dusted, you know, the same amount of people who die from accidents and natural causes every year in Australia.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Mortality rate is 0.2% in my age group - its very much the exception not the rule, I'll take my chances - more chance of winning lotto than karking it from the beervirus.

And what about your older friends/relatives? Like vaccination, social distancing during a pandemic is a social responsibility.

Absolute worst case for Australia they quoted 150,000 deaths by the time its done and dusted, you know, the same amount of people who die from accidents and natural causes every year in Australia.

That number is based on 20% infection rate and the current global fatality rate. Neither of those numbers are worst case.

It's attitudes like yours that are why we need a lockdown, because people cant be trusted to be sensible or responsible.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by b0son

And what about your older friends/relatives? Like vaccination, social distancing during a pandemic is a social responsibility.



That number is based on 20% infection rate and the current global fatality rate. Neither of those numbers are worst case.

It's attitudes like yours that are why we need a lockdown, because people cant be trusted to be sensible or responsible.

Chicken Little attitudes like yours are why people are punching up over toilet paper and people are raiding the shops running them out of stock all over the nation making it difficult to get the essentials.

I'm the sensible one here, rather than crashing the economy and causing enormous damage over an overblown cold that came out of China because how much of a dirty backwards society they have.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Mortality rate is 0.2% in my age group - its very much the exception not the rule, I'll take my chances - more chance of winning lotto than karking it from the beervirus.

Absolute worst case for Australia they quoted 150,000 deaths by the time its done and dusted, you know, the same amount of people who die from accidents and natural causes every year in Australia.

The fear porn merchants stating the 150,000 deaths should be held accountable if they are incorrect. And they will be. This type of ill informed, if not fake news reporting, causes the average low intelligence person to panic and bulk buy.

80% of people who catch Covid-19 will have minor symptoms.

The beat up of Covid-19 in the media is abhorrent. Ebola, which had a 90% fatality rate received no where near the amount of media exposed this minor flu like virus has.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Romulus

The fear porn merchants stating the 150,000 deaths should be held accountable if they are incorrect. And they will be. This type of ill informed, if not fake news reporting, causes the average low intelligence person to panic and bulk buy.

80% of people who catch Covid-19 will have minor symptoms.

The beat up of Covid-19 in the media is abhorrent. Ebola, which had a 90% fatality rate received no where near the amount of media exposed this minor flu like virus has.

No one holds the media accountable for the BS they throw out, but they're the first to whinge about the government getting involved.

There should be standards on reporting, all journalists are these days is university educated propagandists working for their corporate overlords selling half truths.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Romulus

The fear porn merchants stating the 150,000 deaths should be held accountable if they are incorrect.

If we don't have 150,000 fatalities, it will be because we took steps to prevent it. Following your logic, drink drivers should be let go because they haven't caused a crash yet.

The beat up of Covid-19 in the media is abhorrent. Ebola, which had a 90% fatality rate received no where near the amount of media exposed this minor flu like virus has.

It had a lot of exposure at the height of the epidemic. Ebola, by the time its contagious, leaves people bedridden. They are effectively self-isolating. That's why it doesn't spread anything like a flu.