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Stay with stock shocks |
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0 | 0% |
$560 for Koni Red fronts / Koni Yellow rears |
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4 | 9.09% |
$700 for Koni Yellows fronts and rears |
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36 | 81.82% |
Get aftermarket shocks but Koni's are overkill! |
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4 | 9.09% |
Voters: 44. You may not vote on this poll |
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Virtuous Bogan (TM)
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Im sure I paid about $600 for my KYB's..they do the job quite well, but I never ever track my car, just a daily.
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KYB's are a good brand. I remember using them about 8 years ago when they were breaking into the ozzy market and picking up a set of mid range shocks for less than Monroe's at the time. Word caught on quick and KYB are right up there price wise with some of the higher end brands by the sounds of it. If you can get them cheaper online etc, then go for it. Monroe's are a long time known brand, I haven't used them for a long time, but they have picked up their game with their performance line so it might be worth considering them if cash is tight. Used commonly from factory with Fords, Holdens and back when they were around, Mitsubishi. A lot of members here swear by them as a good, cheap and some what reliable option. Just be aware they may not be at the same level as Koni/Bilsteins. Brands I personally stay away from are Ultima & Gabriel as I have seen and heard first hand reports from people who have bought these shocks and found them to be lacking in performance and longevity in their opinion. Pedder's I would just say, purchase at your own risk. Do some google and forum searches on what others say about pedders. Some love them, some don't. It's a personal choice in the end, and you need to be informed before you hand over your cash. Please be aware also that the above is purely my opinion and by no means should it be taken as gospel. I only speak from my own personal experience based on what I have used and what has worked for me in the past. I recommend continuing your research on the subject a bit more about each particular brand and then making a decision on what is best for your personal budget.
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Why do some of them offer the short strut? eg BOGE and Monroe?
On the king springs website it says something like "we highly reccomend you use monroe gt shortened shocks with the super low springs" yet when I asked the guy at Wholesale Suspensions about the Koni's, he said the one set would suit regardless if i wanted to stay at stock XR height or go to the 30mm/super low height. he also said to me, measure the height from your wheel hub to the top of your guard, tell him that height, and tell him what height i want it to be, and he'll supply a spring to suit. (within 10mm he said) |
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#124 | ||
Critical Thinker
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The short strut offers an extra inch or so of extra travel in the shock that would not normally be there on a standard shock. the benefit of that short shock is only when you have lowered springs more than average (more than an inch lower than stock). it just provides a bit of additional comfort over rougher surfaces.
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#125 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Feb 2005
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i have reds on the front and yellows on the rear, they did`nt have yellows available when i got my fronts,
i would`nt look at reds if i could get yellows, reds you have to twist the top half while holding the bottom(unless they have changed them), difficult if bolted in the car, yellows have the knob to adjust the shocker....much betterer imo. |
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rexnet
Join Date: Feb 2010
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KYB AGX will be my choice for front struts. i've herd good things. better then koni/blisten
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rexnet
Join Date: Feb 2010
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they make coil overs for AUs?
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KYB AGX's are $50 a pair cheaper than Koni Yellows, so I've been quoted from Wholesale Suspension in Penrith...
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Boge long ago were only made in germany - for years now sourced from many of their factory joint ventures around the world incl Asia sth america. Both Nolathane and Superpro are the known brand names in suspension for donkeys years - still use urethane bush's ? they are urethane bushs period nothing else, Superpro have been blue for years apart from some private branding in yellow or special item. Nola forever red. KYB are not rated with higher end brands ie Koni Bilstein, they compete with Monroe Gabriel..... Monroe picked up their game ? where ? is it because they released a swaydoo cheapo lower sport kit I assume ?, nothing more nothing less but you did mention at a fair price which is just that. They are by no means any where near the level of koni or bilstein, Ford business went offshore from BA I can't confirm for now if back here,new terri back at monroe. I have fitted supplied and fixed and heard bad reports not just of Ultima Gabriel but Monroe and kyb case's, heck even had some koni issues and I can tell you great reports from all the brands above as well. Ultima,Gabriel,monroe and kyb 98% of their lines are not "performance" oriented in the first place but slightly up spec comparo of the OE item, longevity is debatable by all brands importantly they don't want the average shock/strut to last forever in the first place and all made to a price. Whereas koni Bilstein use far higher standard of internals but for the average consumer thats overkill. There is many many great positive case's of pedders just as much as there's negative especially from keyboards, having dealt with problems across the suspension field manymany of the problems occur once investigated is that the customer has over abused, or wrong product to application, not fitted new bump stops, used old bump stops and bottomed out therefore caused seal damage and leaking, std shock length but fitted with lowered coils, cut coils std shock length etcetc but word of mouth is its the product failure, heard it and proven people incorrect many times, granted no brand is perfect but also its how its handled at counter level and to be honest that is lacking across the country but thats another storey. Speaking from your own experience is fine but hope you don't mind me correcting your own experience with actual selling and use of every brand mentioned and more. Last bit was great - continue researching. Shorter stroke shock/strut is preffered after 20-25mm for at std length with low coil the piston rod would bottom out therefore cause leaking and bump stop steer therefore ride suffers as does control. Coil overs for AU - fronts shouldn't be a prob virtually as BA as mentioned rears for live axle could/can also be done and maybe available but hardly anyone does for IRS infact unless special build....and $$$
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#132 | ||
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koni`s can be rebuilt , not sure about the others though, but i think a lot of them may be throw aways.
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that is a very benificial read. and thanks for the information. so if im correct in reading. a B series coil over will fit in the front of my AU? if thats the case #party |
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#135 | ||
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I have Bilstein in my EF xr6 and way better than the KYB and BOGE that I used as well.
Only gripe I have with Bilstein is they don't have bracket to connect the ABS line.... I'm pretty sure Koni do have the ABS bracket on the strut...
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rexnet
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Just looked at the price of 4 tein coil overs. $2,200 sooooo it's gonna probably never happen. I want a WRX.
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Look yer your right there are plenty cars running around with incorrect lengths and mis matchs, its a % game xp_wannabe, some people have all the luck some its as if they run over a black cat but most times these people who take the short cuts and play the % game are the very people who complain and blame brand this brand that when a failure occurs due to their ignorance. If only they listen to someone in the know instead of their mates mate etc and or had the patience to wait till they could afford to do the correct job 8 out of 10 you'll have a good experience. I say 8 out of 10 because everyone is different what they expect from an enhancement and TBH lowering a average high volume car doesn't turn into a supercar but thats some peoples expectations ! Most times you just harsh up the ride, suffer noise's - cause more damage but parked she looks porn LOL....I'm still a sucker for all this but I accept the compromise ! and my pride and joy isn't a daily. Balance is an important point. TBH my previous XR8 I left at std height but dropped the back a further 10mm so the sill line was level, that is spot on compromise IMO. Scenario - yer sure my car handles fully *** and dumped to the max neva had a prob etcetc, BS....the jackass wouldn't know what a correct handling car is, sitting on the shortened bump stops, shock stroke is nothing and he's scrapping tyres on the inner or out gaurds and also gets a average wheel alignment, upon scrubbing his tyres out within months he blames everyone under the sun tyres gone etcetc....jackass but his call. Handlings cheapest option is without a doubt sway bars for the average motor car - BUT these are not as high a seller due to we getting caught up with our dreams, at the track race cars,show cars magazines we are convinced thats how I want my car to be - but these visions we have are not day to day cars....lowering the average car alters the geometery of the track, angles of the control arms, more strains of other working parts, still gradual but cause's problems sooner rather than later if left std. Todays Ford is pretty good but still made to a cost - want handling track car buy a Lotus Elise GT3 heck down spec to a Rex or Evo but its all down to $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Hence the available low cost Aftermarket shocks/struts. Billys imo are the preffered item but I digress at that price having to take off to adjust rebound - yes rebuildable but nearly to the price of buying a new one anyway depending what is failed and replace the rest on the internals whilst she's apart, long lasting and worth it. Koni yellows - yep bonus externally adjustable but at low speed (surburban drivng) little harsher than the Billy due to higher pressure gas reacts blink of an eye hence why above wins imo. The pedigree of the 2 above says it all - track first thats what they made their name on. The other brands do the job for the average consumer - 4 have OE business in varying guise's the other may have by now but they are baby compared to monroe usa Gabriel usa KYB japan Sachs/Boge German are near on or over 100yr old companies - the word rubbish or no good is easily used but we all know you get what you pay for eh ? Thanks blueoval and others for your kind comments but enough of shop for me this is my R and R hence why I rarely give my insight.
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Needav8
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Major thread dig, I often come back here for part numbers.
Just thought I would post to say, from what I can find and I've had a few dealers looking, you can no longer get Koni Sports for the IRS rear :( I have Koni reds which are okay (Yellows in front) but wanted to updgrade as one is leaking, but seems not many options these days for performance. Looks like Shockworks might be the go, but they don't want to sell just rears which is fair enough, but I'm super happy with my yellow front set up (semi track, weekend rig set up, not daily)
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Can you get yours rebuilt if you are desperate?
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Yeah that's an option, haven't priced it yet. I did price Bilsteins once and it wasn't worth over buying new.
I'm concerned the reds might be too long, they're about 4 years old but realistically may have done 3000km at most, so shouldn't be leaking unless they've bottomed out. The car sits around SSL height, fraction higher at the back.
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