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and to keep it on track, check out this media release.
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Its in the Amarok....
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yes, but to be able to sell the Ranger it needs to be type approved in that body too. My point is, that all the engineering work has been done, so whether to bring an ecoboost Ranger to Australia is purely a marketing decision
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Do you know what per centage of corporates run ISO certification?
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It's not something overly common in small businesses, because it adds huge administrative costs but medium to large sized corporates have and expect it if you want to be on their supplier list. Basically it makes no sense to the average Joe but it forces your hand |
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Maybe they could rediscover some classic BA/BF Falcon Colours to introduce to the range for limited runs.
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320kw/650nm BYD Shark confirmed at 68K for Australia
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mmm a hybrid with a 100km electric range. that's double Ranger hybrid. but only 2500kg towing doesn't match the 3500kg of Ranger PHEV
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The Aussie market is oddly contrarian, people think - higher prices for Ranger and Hilux would equal less sales - more competition for Ranger and Hilux would equal less sales. Thus far, time has shown that neither of those are true, people who buy their favourite brand do so either out of utter loyalty or they like the types of vehicles and willingly pay those premiums. If anything, the BYD Shark may end up killing the Kia Tasman before it gets a chance in our market. Did anyone see the leaked promo wading test? run through a trough and the wheels weren’t even covered. |
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Just watched it, I reckon I've had the RTV wagon deeper.
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of Hilux and Ranger, if shop around was really something that those buyers did, then surely both the high prices and sales volume would have declined by now…. Maybe some of us need to step out of what we would do and realise that Ford is crying all the way to the bank thanks to Ranger and Everest. |
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How many amongst friends/bbq's would someone say buy the GWM dual cab compared to Toyota/Ford variants ? How many know of Corolla/Camry Ford models of the past compared to chinese brands. Sure price is the burley...but so much on offer dual cab wise ? Navara been around for yonks and can't sell enough, Triton was a price fighter, has ups and downs but at least known brand. My nephew got the top of line GWM ute, I was actually surprised how good its set up inside pretty plush actually. Why haven't they sold near the numbers of Wildtrak/SR5 etcetc Sure you shop around but how confident would you be for the general use of a dual cab and holiday travel intentions normally. It seems not enough feel compelled to buy chinese dual cabs to date. Branding branding. Itsme, as far as I'm concerned Dual Cab high end pricing is a absolute rip believe me - good luck to them.
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Could be a game changer, especially with the higher costs of living that is hitting the economy. Think about it. |
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The Chinese will embarrass every brand price wise always though doesn't mean that will win them higher market share against the usual well known suspects. People learn very quick you get what you pay when forking out $50k up. Might dip their toe in the water once most learn not again to date. Think Bunnings, you learn soon enough 50% is cheap crap and you end up buying the better brands or go elsewhere. Right now every single Chinese vehicle is a PIA sourcing parts/panels etc they will never have the distribution like Toyota Ford amongst others unless they spend a motza ahead. Hybrids, yep that will grow AND Toyota will lead as they are followed by the main players incl euros. Why haven't Triton Navara tradionally cheaper been higher volume sellers ? Because the product isn't as good as the 2 main players and cost way more. Chinese will gain the low lying fruit the way I see it and thats not the "volume". Crying poor, we're a land of whingers, worse than the Poms of old yet people keep spending, each VFacts sales months have highs and lows the sky is falling decade upon decade.
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Chinese options are mostly let down in the engine/driveline department.
They're generally around the 140kw/400-450nm range. They often just use the same engine they use in the SUV range, which is fine for family duties but lacks that extra bit for ute duties. I know many will argue most utes don't get used for lugging loads around (because apparently you can tell by looking) but I feel the smaller engines do hold buyers back.
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for sure, but just like the Japanese and Koreans before them, they are learning - fast! It wasn't long ago that nobody would touch the pos at any price, but now we've got people overlooking their faults, just because they are cheap. I'll give them 5 years before people start to look at them favorable on build, features and quality, and then maybe 10 years for people to consider them premium.
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yes simonv all takes time like the Japanese and Koreans.
Just don't know the chinese have the similar mindset, they want it now and hunger for the dollar exceeds the previous mentioned. Sure they are learning fast, the amount of IP they have cohearsed for their plants far exceeded Jap/Korean patience. Their trouble is in haste they deflect from their regular approved suppliers when in need due to insufficient supply or pumping out higher volume than been forecast. Having dealed with them for 20+yrs this is one of their downfalls, cheating then it bites them in the butt.
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For starters not everyone is buying utes for recreational purposes, as you know people these days access credit/loans quite easy and that was not the case in the old days which weakens your comment, if you had easy access to loans, it would have been different in those days. These days you have more choices and can buy new cheaper cars more than ever compared to the old days. As previously mentioned in other topics people are more inclined to purchase cheaper cars, and this trend will continue, especially with the younger generation something you oldies don't realise. |
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I have been a Ford man since I was 21. Before that, I owned Toranas and Commodores.
From 1994 until 2014 whenever we needed a new car we only shopped Ford. Since 2014, we have bought dual cabs (no Franco, I don't have a ABN). We shopped all brands each time. In 2018, we bought our First Holden in over 24 years being a Colorado. It was a great car, still is, my son now owns it. The Ranger was a better car but could not justify the price difference. This time around, we shopped every model and not just dual cabs. Most of the Chinese models looked great and well equipped, however, they were badly let down each and every time by the way they drove. Most had some great points on the way they drove but the negatives were that we could not live with them. We also shopped Toyota, Isuzu, Mitsubishi etc. We ended up with the Wildtrak, it just drove that much better. In terms of price, by the time you optioned up an Isuzu or Mitsubishi with the same options/accessories that a Ranger has the price difference was negligible, and that is if you could option them up to the Ranger specification. |
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Surprised BYD didn't put the 505kw hybrid motor in their Shark that they put in their Prado killing Leopard 5 - maybe that will be it's 1st year update ........ do you think people are going to laugh at you at your next BBQ if you have a 4 second China ute that does 1200kms per tank.
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The Shark is quite heavy at 2660 kg or about 350 Kg more and a 4x4 crew cab Ranger While the Shark is a good effort for an extended range electric vehicle, for Australian conditions, something like an extended range diesel electric vehicle is gonna be a better fit. So if Ford was going to do something really outlandish with the parts bin, there is an opportunity to really shake things up with different kinds of hybrids, rather than the kinds that are particularly build for urban driving, a diesel would work much better on the highway and in the outback where petrol is sometimes hard to actually buy… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OfH4EN9A0E Last edited by jpd80; Today at 10:17 AM. |
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