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^ But which one is quicker N/A ?
MOTOR XR6 0-100km/h 6.76s 100km/h-0 41.58m 400m - 14.87 @ 154.48km/h Fuel Consumption on test - 13.7l/100km (kerb weight 1728kg) SV6 0-100km/h 6.46s 100km/h-0 38.42m 400m - 14.62 @ 157.28 Fuel consumption on test - 13.4l/100km (kerb weight 1736) The fact is the SIDI V6 210kw is quicker and more effiecent than the FG I6. (And it is slightly heavier !) The I6 from Ford is really GOOD but not really GOD !!
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Wait until FGII. I have a feeling that the I6 will get a birthday to co-inceed with it's big brother's release. Edit: Check that fuel consumption out. If this is from the Motor article I think it is, they mentioned that they drove the I6 harder because the I6 was a more rewarding car to drive. If I flogged my EF, and it returned 13.7/100, I'd be over the moon. For the I6 to come that close to the SIDI Direct Injection (Sound anything like saying ATM Machine?), Ford have done something right.
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Wow.....this made news in the UK >
Australia mourns as Ford Falcon rides into the sunset It could be the end of a motoring era as a legendary car falls victim to global belt-tightening By Kathy Marks in Sydney Sunday, 24 January 2010 It is one of Australia's oldest and most deep-seated rivalries, more divisive than religion, politics or even football. And it is determined before you're born: depending on your family allegiance, you'll either be Holden or Ford, the only two car brands that count in the suburbs. It matters not that both companies are American-owned (Holden by General Motors), because for decades their Australian subsidiaries have built models specially designed for the home market: in Holden's case the iconic Commodore, in Ford's case the equally iconic Falcon. Now the nation – or, to be more precise, half the nation – is in mourning following news that the all-Australian Falcon is to be unceremoniously ditched. The US parent company has decided that it no longer makes economic sense to manufacture different models for different countries. "Those days are gone," Ford's world president and chief executive, Alan Mulally, declared at last week's Detroit Motor Show. The timing could not be worse for Falcon lovers, preparing to celebrate the big sedan's 50th birthday later this year. Three Facebook sites have been set up by outraged fans, with even Holden supporters urging Ford to save Australia's longest-running model, in the interests of healthy competition. Nearly every Australian has fond memories of family holidays spent travelling in the roomy Falcon or Commodore. Lovers of the vintage models spend all their free time and thousands of dollars carefully restoring and modifying old bangers. The Falcon was Australia's fifth-highest-selling car last year, with sales of more than 31,000, compared with nearly 45,000 for the top-selling Commodore. However, all large car models in Australia have suffered from flagging sales in recent years because of higher fuel prices. There are also fears, which Ford has done nothing to allay, that the Falcon's demise will spell the end of local manufacture. The Falcon has been the mainstay of those operations, with Ford Australia employing nearly 5,000 people at its factories in Victoria. Mr Mulally declined to reveal whether it was part of the company's long-term strategy to retain the Australian business, which lost $274m (£153m) last year. He said: "Australia is a very important market for us and we've worked hard to be competitive. No matter what, we're going to serve the Australian market." The first Ford Falcon, the XK sedan, rolled off the assembly line in September 1960. The current model, the seventh-generation FG series, launched two years ago, will not be replaced when production ends in 2015, although industry watchers say the name may survive on locally- badged cars. Last weekend dozens of Falcon owners staged a protest rally in Queensland, driving in convoy along the picturesque coast road between Cairns and Port Douglas. Organisers pledged to lobby American executives to continue producing the model. "We'll let them know how strongly we feel about it," said Neil Newcombe, a diehard Falcon fan. "From an Australian point of view, we want to keep [the car] as Australian as we can." Another Ford owner said: "The Falcon is a great Aussie icon. It would be a crime to get rid of it." Although some Holden fans have been gleeful about the Falcon's passing, others have expressed solidarity. "If they stop making the Falcon, Holden will suffer as well," one warned on Facebook. "We'll have some crap front-wheel-drive thing from the US, so even the Holden fans should show their support." sourced > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...t-1877282.html More "could" journalism. EDIT > Queensland Times ! Aussies don't want Falcon scrapped Andrew Korner | 25th January 2010 Ford enthusiast Mark Meesen is not happy about the decision to cease manufacturing of the Ford Falcon in Australia. Rob Williams AS FAR as Falcon devotee Mark Meesen is concerned, Ford’s plans to scrap the all-Aussie-made model are disastrous not only from a purist’s point of view, but also from a practical one. The 37-year-old Tarampa smash repair business owner began a 15-year interest in the Falcon when he forked out for his first 1979 XD model back in the mid 1990s. Since then he has bought, driven and enjoyed 10 different Falcon models, from high-powered V8 utes to classic coupes. He said he was disappointed by news earlier this month that Ford’s American bosses were plotting an end to the Australian made Falcon, citing the need for a single, large-car model to suit a global market. This was despite the fact the Falcon has become as popular as a meat pie at the footy since it was first built here 50 years ago. In a move which could further frustrate the Falcon faithful, the iconic model could be replaced by the Taurus, a front-wheel-drive American import which was brought here in the late 1990s but proved unpopular. “Aside from the effect it could have on our jobs and economy, there could be issues with having spare parts readily available,” Mr Meesen said. “One of the great things about the Falcon was that the parts were always readily available. With imports, we often have trouble in that regard. “The manufacturers would need to guarantee that they are going to supply back up-parts if they were going to expect people to drive a car like the Taurus.” It’s not just the convenience of the Falcon that will be missed, but the character. So sought after are models like the 1971 XY GT now that a restored version could cost in the vicinity of $500,000. Other rare models like the Cobra can also sell for exorbitant sums of money. Mr Meesen’s history of Ford ownership includes XD, XE, AU, Fairlane, BA and BF models. He currently has a 1966 XP coupe and a 1977 XC coupe in his garage, awaiting restoration. He plans to restore the XC as a replica of the car that Allan Moffat drove when he won at Bathurst in 1977. “I’ve got a close family association with the Falcon; my grandfather worked as an upholsterer in Ford’s Geelong factory in the early 1960s and my uncle worked in the engine plant in the 1970s,” he said. “Dad always drove an XY V8 and now both of my brothers own the same model. “I’ve always just liked the shape, I suppose, and just the car itself. Falcons have always been good reliable cars.” The Falcon was the fifth highest selling car in Australia in 2009, with 31,023 sold compared to 44,387 Holden Commodores. Ford’s Melbourne factories employ 4700 people to engineer and design Falcon and Territory models. Panels and engines are produced at Geelong, with assembly completed at Campbellfield, a suburb in Melbourne’s north." sourced > http://www.qt.com.au/story/2010/01/2...-to-scrap-car/
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I'm just amazed that someone actually believes Motor for times; it's like believing that Drive is an honest, unbiased publication.
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What he is saying is quite clear; they may offer a large FWDAWD. In fact they will. Why would they make Falcon FWD when Taurus already fits the bill?? Falcon (and it's luxury/sports models) will remain under the GRWD umbrella, not under a rebadged Taurus. It seems this is the part you don't want to believe. It is very futile to think Ford will abandon the rwd layout.
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so mondeo out and taurus in?
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Lets break this down, Ford US currently has these large passenger cars:
-Ford Taurus -Ford Crown Victoria -Mercury Grand Marquis -Lincoln Town car Of those 4, 3 use the same panther platform, this platform will be all but abandoned after 2011. Ford Export these cars to the middle east, the crown Victoria is a widely popular Cop car and taxi. And the Lincoln town cars is the most used car as a base for Limos. Now, we have the mustang, that is due for a all new model in 2014. It would be plane silly to think that the ageing platform will stay. The mustang needs IRS to keep up. Ford also have these Crossover SUVs: -Ford Flex -Lincoln MKT Both on the same platform. Ford Australia have managed to develop a capable platform that offers load carrying ability, a good base for comfort, class leading performance and crossover SUV duties. Using our falcon platform alone means that ford US has the ability to build six Cars on one platform. It would be downright stupid for Ford to not consider a GRWD platform based on Australian knowledge. Add our cars into the fold, that brings nine models potentially derived from one platform. Why would ford us try to implement a RWD platform for the mustang only? That's Bonkers.
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The thing I don't understand is Marin saying people won't care if Falcon is FWD, yet it has basically become a joke among car enthusiasts. People basically laugh when a FWD Falcon is mentioned, and Holden fans make jokes about it to Ford fans. Its so obvious the Falcon would become nothing but a joke if it was FWD. It would sell as well as the Aurion does. Plus no ute, no V8's, no FPV's. It would be dead in the water. The media would have a field day saying how dumb it is, and the general public would stay away in droves. It would be corporate suicide, and FoA know it. How they could even consider it is beyond me, especially when GRWD makes so much sense. |
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Apparently respondents at a Ford clinic recently said that they liked a RWD
Falcon and that if Falcon went FWD, they would probably buy a Toyota instead. Most were open to Taurus so long as it was AWD.... Switching a 4300 lb car for a 3700 lb one would do wonders for fuel economy...not! |
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Yep. AWD totally defeats the purpose of changing from RWD for fuel economy, by making it much worse. Makes zero sense.
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When people were asked if they would buy a FWD Falcon & they said yes, but these buyers would not care if they were RWD as well, but buyers that say RWD or AWD will not buy a FWD. So if Falcon goes FWD then it has half it's market straight away & the loss of ute another big loss. And even if they brought out a AWD Falcon, who's going to pay the premium price when the market has a lot more desirable cars available for similar coin.
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that the market is ready to accept its FWD vehicles. It must be a real head scratcher to the Dearborn brass that Camry+Aurion sells well enough but a Taurus is a no go..... They want to try but past experience tells them that without the Falcon name any FWD replacement would fail. |
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Jez likes trying to turn urine into gold.
He needs a new story, that article is basically the same as his other two. "The next falcon wont be a falcon but it will, it will be a re badged Taurus even though there has been no strong hint that it will, but some dude on the net heard it from some bloke that new someone that read that Marin Burela said Falcon and Taurus in the same paragraph" Can i have a job at drive now?
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Just looking at the Aussie made entries - the Toyota Aurion/Camry, Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon. Ford and Holden are both considered Australian (Holden more so) by the public. This is both good and bad as there are many that wouldn't touch the local RWD product as they consider them to be 'Bogan' cars (Bogan = Redneck for those in Dearborn), but that doesn't stop them selling as a lot of Australians ignore the Bogan tag or are actually proud to be a Bogan. For these people RWD is important. As for Toyota, they are still a Japanese car maker in the eyes of most Australians, but they sell to people who are seduced by Toyota's percieved reliablity (even though they are the most recalled brand in the US for 2009). These poeple aren't car enthusiasts and couldn't care less what wheels are driven - if the wheels weren't on the outside of the car they wouldn't even know what a wheel was. Another thing to consider is that for a FWD car it doesn't matter how big it is - it will be cross-shopped against medium FWD cars. That's partly the reason why Toyota's 'game changing' Aurion has had so little impact. Marin makes a lot of noise about being in the large car market because, though it is shrinking, there are fewer players - BUT putting Falcon onto a FWD platform will effectively drag Falcon into the medium car market. It won't matter that its classified as a large car for VFACTS, Falcon would have lost one of its unique selling points in RWD and will be percieved as one of the bigger medium cars on the market by the general public putting into direct competition with cars like the Mazda 6, the Subaru Liberty, Volkswagen Jetta, and Toyota Camry. And its for these reasons that I believe the decision to keep Falcon RWD will be taken.
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