Will the Holden brand survive?

[Kieron]

Originally Posted by EgoFG

There are quite a number of RHD markets, but GM is forsaking them at the moment. even dropping down to two RHD vehicles in Japan, and we know already about UK. Not sure about other significant markets (HK, Malaysia). There is a decent range in India, but no sedan bigger than Cruze.

Malaysia have huge import taxes, eg Ecoboost Mustang is well over AU$100,000 and the average income is much lower than Australia so no go, Singapore, HK in a similar boat and I believe Thailand is too.

GM's biggest market is now China followed by the US and are virtually non existent in any RHD markets now, doesn't look that good for Holden in the future.

[Fordman1]

This is not looking good for Holden, how are GM going to justify developing RHD models for them ?

I think not with the retreat from other RHD markets.

The future is gloomy regardless of the typical GM spin.

Didn’t their foolish recent CEO say they would be market leaders by 2021 ?

[jpd80]

While Holden talks a good game, Ford has bitch-slapped them with the RHD Mustang,
they really don't have anything too exciting coming that's anywhere affordable..

[xeeclipse]

One of their premier dealerships in Watson Holden bundoora (melbourne) has colorados, ZB commodores and equinox almost pouring out onto the street. I've seen the same 3 zb's out the front for more than a month!

Back in the dark ages (early 90's) i remember what a big deal the 200kw VP GTS was and seeing it take centre stage in their showroom. Holden were a marketing machine back then and peter brock had golden tonsils.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by xeeclipse

Back in the dark ages (early 90's) i remember what a big deal the 200kw VP GTS was and seeing it take centre stage in their showroom. Holden were a marketing machine back then and peter brock had golden tonsils.

It was a very different time. If you wanted a performance car, you either got a V8 falcadore, or spent big on a euro. Nowadays, we're spoilt for choice, so much so that even those euros now have performance variants within or not far off the budgets of the average person.

[GO FURTHER]

The Commodore turns 40 today.

They say life begins at 40, probably not for Holden.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/motorin...9c5d68ac45c1b9

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by xeeclipse

One of their premier dealerships in Watson Holden bundoora (melbourne) has colorados, ZB commodores and equinox almost pouring out onto the street. I've seen the same 3 zb's out the front for more than a month!

:d oh


Every car dealer in the world has new cars sitting in the lot for a month!!!

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

:d oh


Every car dealer in the world has new cars sitting in the lot for a month!!!

To be fair the sales of cars have been down for the last 5 months, and many brands are now overstocked.

There will be some new car bargains as we head into Xmas and the end of the year.

It will be a buyer's market...

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/motorin...c6a709cee841fd

[xeeclipse]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

:d oh


Every car dealer in the world has new cars sitting in the lot for a month!!!

Most of your posts are pretty negative and inflammatory JOEY. Got anything of substance to add??

[davenl5l]

City holden in Sadelaide sold 13 Acadia's , 2 Comaro's several Silverado's including 2 top of the range @ over $100,000 this week but nothing else!

[Brazen]

Was that just the one dealership or all of them?

Looks like the US product is what people want

[davenl5l]

Just City Holden

[davenl5l]

I hope Ford are taking notice of Siverado sales rhd F trucks would sell well in Australia

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by davenl5l

I hope Ford are taking notice of Siverado sales rhd F trucks would sell well in Australia

I can't believe this . I STILL have yet to see a ZB Commodore on the road after all this time. Not one . Today though as I walked up to the servo after work to collect my old 1984 Honda Accord from a service that I bought 18 months ago to cart the muttleys around in and save the Falcons from short running crap I had a look at a parked white Dodge Ram .

Didn't look too bad at all. I agree that maybe Ford should consider the possibility of the modern F Trucks here at some stage especially if the 2 litre bi turbo Ranger Raptor doesn't sell too well over time .

In the meantime I keep an eye out for seeing a ZB Commodore in the metal ,SOMEWHERE..

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

In the meantime I keep an eye out for seeing a ZB Commodore in the metal ,SOMEWHERE..

Your not missing much Roddy. Even more underwhelming in the metal than in the in pics.

[CATXR8]

I have seen plenty in SA.

They all have POLICE on the side.

[OzJavelin]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

I can't believe this . I STILL have yet to see a ZB Commodore on the road after all this time. Not one . Today though as I walked up to the servo after work to collect my old 1984 Honda Accord from a service that I bought 18 months ago to cart the muttleys around in and save the Falcons from short running crap I had a look at a parked white Dodge Ram .

Didn't look too bad at all. I agree that maybe Ford should consider the possibility of the modern F Trucks here at some stage especially if the 2 litre bi turbo Ranger Raptor doesn't sell too well over time .

In the meantime I keep an eye out for seeing a ZB Commodore in the metal ,SOMEWHERE..

Agree .. I think I've seen more NEW imported Rams, Chev pickups and even Toyota Tundras than ZBs ..

[hackney]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

I can't believe this . I STILL have yet to see a ZB Commodore on the road after all this time. Not one . Today though as I walked up to the servo after work to collect my old 1984 Honda Accord from a service that I bought 18 months ago to cart the muttleys around in and save the Falcons from short running crap I had a look at a parked white Dodge Ram .

Didn't look too bad at all. I agree that maybe Ford should consider the possibility of the modern F Trucks here at some stage especially if the 2 litre bi turbo Ranger Raptor doesn't sell too well over time .

In the meantime I keep an eye out for seeing a ZB Commodore in the metal ,SOMEWHERE..

I am seeing a couple a day.Couple of wagons,sedans as well.(& one on our local Ford dealers used car lot!(He also happens to be a Holden dealer on the other side of town as well,took over the business from an existing dealer.)Cheers

[kevino]

Seeing 2/3 a day round South East qld. Sighted a VXR /white and RS /green both looked good.

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by kevino

Seeing 2/3 a day round South East qld. Sighted a VXR /white and RS /green both looked good.

Conversely I'm spotting a surprising amount of Mustangs . A couple of locally owned ones too..and there's a brand new Ranger Wildtrack on the town now also .

Just today , a gorgeous white Mustang GT at the pub .

Genuinely love to have a proper bo peep at a ZB Commodore . No doubt a capable car and probably deserves more credit than is given mainly on the back of low sales . Will keep anticipating a good view of one eventually . As a fully paid up member and have my vehicles insured through RACT I regularly read the magazine and car reviews . This is their take on the ZB ..Not a bad jigger at all .

http://www.ract.com.au/zb-holden-commodore ..

[stig_3754]

I've seen quite a few around Melbourne, so they are around.

[Smoke Pursuit]

No Holden wont survive in its current format. I can see another cull of dealers coming very soon.

[Wretched]

Holden are in a bit of trouble. To justify the expense of the RHD cars from overseas they had a quota presented to GM that they must fulfill to sell. For example each month they must take on 1800 Astras.

If they don't meet that quota then GM can issue a "fine" to them, not anything insignificant either. Many dealers are now overloaded with stock to get rid of, hence there are some deals happening on particular cars.
One of the biggest stuff ups was ordering Astra sedans.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Wretched

Holden are in a bit of trouble. To justify the expense of the RHD cars from overseas they had a quota presented to GM that they must fulfill to sell. For example each month they must take on 1800 Astras.

If they don't meet that quota then GM can issue a "fine" to them, not anything insignificant either. Many dealers are now overloaded with stock to get rid of, hence there are some deals happening on particular cars.
One of the biggest stuff ups was ordering Astra sedans.

1800 Astra's?

They are barely selling a third of that.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

1800 Astra's?

They are barely selling a third of that.

true, it was just in example.

[lra]

Originally Posted by Wretched

If they don't meet that quota then GM can issue a "fine" to them, not anything insignificant either. .

If that is the case, then GM have found another way of making money from not making cars, in lieu of taking Govt handouts to keep less than expected profitable factories operating.

Not long ago, they threatened to pull out of Korea. Result, Korean Govt tipped in more money in subsidies to Daewoo/GM Korea/Whatever.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by lra

If that is the case, then GM have found another way of making money from not making cars, in lieu of taking Govt handouts to keep less than expected profitable factories operating.

Not long ago, they threatened to pull out of Korea. Result, Korean Govt tipped in more money in subsidies to Daewoo/GM Korea/Whatever.

If true, then they are not making money. They own Holden.

This is so sad. I have a special place in my heart for “Australia’s Holden”.

Torana GTR

Monaro GTS

Commodore GTS

What we have now is a shadow of that legacy.

Sad, but I think The Hokden Brand is on borrowed time.

[jpd80]

I don’t think the turbo four is a good fit for Commodore
Maybe replace it with FWD V6 as a base model for buyers
not that interested in towing or performance, just a V6.

[davenl5l]

They are selling well so far

[stefcio007]

What about GM in general? Things don't look good. https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/general-m...hawa-1.4191946