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I find it bizarre that Holden and Ford would just turn the wagon market over to Subaru.
If every manufacturer is reverting to building 4WDs, why the need to abandon wagons? They are more car-like and have versatility. They won't disappear. Fads are cyclic.
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Can't say i would be impressed if Holden were scaled back. Holden it self is healthy but the US might drag it down or make it hard for Holden.
I'm blue as they come but when the US stuffs a good Aussie thing, I'm not happy.
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This isn't good for the economy and the Australian car market in general if this becomes reality.
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What of the plans to move Monaro and Ute production stateside? Surely that could happen and Holden could import them.
Ford have a chance here. Bring back the V8 wagon. Bring back Fairmont Ghia wagons. Bring back manuals in Fairmonts and Ghias. Maybe even a small run coupe. People want options! For the love of god, DO SOMETHING! At the end of the day, blue or red, aussies are more loyal to an Australian product than some imported seppo thing. Fill in those niche markets and you will have Aussies red and blue going for them. SOMEONE AT FORD PLEASE LISTEN! Another shift at Broady, pump up 4.0 production some how, whatever it takes, this is the chance to make back lost ground from dropping the V8 20 years ago. Quote:
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Also heard another rumour from a good source that Holden are relocating alot of staff to the US; mainly in design, which means big job losses here.
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Anyway, don't believe everything you read in the press, the Territory has a higher centre of gravity than your conventional wagon... and I reckon the slalom figures would support my case... if they ever ran tests that way.
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I reckon it's all a load of trollop. If it's true why would holden be investing millions in expanding it's factory? Why also would they be changing their work hours to 1.5 shifts a day to keep up with demand?
And considering since the introduction of the one-tonner holden ute sales have consistently been near or better than fords why would they drop it? I would reckon they would drop the standard ute and stick a tub on the back like the falcon rather than drop the tonner. Last edited by flavze; 07-04-2005 at 11:40 PM. Reason: spelling |
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hmmmmm..... interesting stuff indeed.....
as a worker at holdens Elizabeth plant, i think i would be a bit upset if holden shut up shop. young Steffo isn't too bright is he? we hear sooooo many rumours everyday at work, 95% of it is utter shite. todays one was "third shift (night shift) is being cancelled in a months time, several hundred people are going to lose their jobs". turns out it was a union rep trying to make himself look important...... I have seen several VE shells, i think they will sell well, especially the performance ones such as the SS, which apparently will come standard with 20" rims....... seen pics of the Ute too.... hell sexy. as for the Territory style vehicle, its something they want to do. havent heard anything about wagons getting cancelled. that would be a bad move. we build heaps of wagons, would be silly to stop. something interesting i saw the other day in my travels at work, a couple of one-tonner shells/chassis with all-wheel-drive floor pans and guards. didn't know they were in the current line up....... and if anyone is wondering how true some of the above is, we had a "state of the nation" address (as we like to call them) at the end of last year where they filled us in on all the goings on, and showed us the pics. and the speaker at this address? Dennis Mooney. |
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I think you might be surprised with the way the terry handles itself. IMO you have rocks in your head if you had a family and brought a conventional wagon over a base model terry. As far as I am concerned the wagon is a waste of time and will be gone all together within 5-10 years easy.
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i'm sorry, but i'd prefer a luxo wagon then a luxo territory.
i simply don't want a car THAT big.
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well see if we can get some Vfacts....im sure they will tell the storey.
Since when were we talking about OS? Audi and alike have nothing to do with this, there intake here would be **** poor; the euro market is different.
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Give me a sec and ill look up the prices of similarly speced terry's and wagons. EDIT: TX RWD: $38 990 Only wagon you can get with BA - Futura: $40 685 Now if you were a family, with say 2.5 kids; what would you get?
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I believe if this is all true, Gorman will capitalise on the opportunity and bring some model differentiation, some (more) streetcred and a more clearly defined structure to the copperhead model line up.That should come up trumps on the mess that Holden is reportedly in.
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Traditional wagon buyers will move to the terry or go import; its that simple. If you objectively look at it what doesn't the terry do that a wagon does? This has soo gone off topic..lol
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My point is the volumes are sufficiently there to continue wagon production. Cheers
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I dont think Ford need a duelcab falcon 4x4. The crewman is still in its honeymoon-period. A typical tradey is very concious of being better than his mates; so he wants the newest thing out; it will wear off soon enough and steady down. There is a market there, Ford R5...remember that?; im sure Holden doesn't want Joe Public too; but its very tight. Ford need a 4x4 RTV and thats it. The ute line up is very strong.
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Holden get rid of the wagon? I highly doubt it. The Commodore wagon is the third best selling vehicle in the Holden line-up, after the Commodore Sedan and Astra. They even sell more wagons than Utes, One Tonners and Crewman combined. Oh and there is also the two grand premium the wagon commands over the sedan.
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Im with you on that one......then will see how holden likes it with a couple hundred extra kilos.
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i have enough trouble remembering the bodyshop's manager's name. tell ya what, PM NeedPSI (Ehab, work's in general assembly, day shift) or Fairmont1998 (Darrin, also day shift general assembly) or BOSS260 (Dan, works about 30metres away from me in bodyshop) and ask any of them if i work there..... or you could ask Walkinshaw, or MightyEFghia, or AaronEF8............ i think every SA E-series member knows i work there. hell, even my wife works there... (gen assembly, afternoon shift, works in the same group as Darrin, just different shift) or would you like me to scan a copy of one of my pay slips and my license? i can pm you my ID number and you can call the factory at elizabeth and see if the name that they give you matchs the one on my license. (not that they'd give out that info, but theres no harm in trying....) its a good thing i do work there, or i'd have a hard time explaining the ten or so holden uniforms in my wardrobe. tell you what, i'll get someone to take a pic of me in my uniform at work. not inside the factory tho, i like having a job... i'll even hold a sign saying "happy now ya PEDANTIC BASTARD?" still cant figure why you'd think i would make up something like that (the "i work at holden" bit) and whats so hard to believe about a factory car having 20's anyway? wasn't long ago that the idea of 18's on a factory car wouldn't have been taken seriously i spose... pfffft what kind of a stupid name is denny anyway?? have a nice day ;) Last edited by montyv8; 09-04-2005 at 06:23 AM. |
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standard 20 inch rims on the SS aye? Well I doubt the coppers who drive these things would be to impressed with having to pay for 20 inch rubber all the time (or whoever pays for their rubber
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it was humourous lol, i had a big smile on my face the whole time i was typing that responce.
i was just passing on what i heard. I might not have heard the HSV bit. I don't usually pay too much attention to what goes on there, i only build them lol, i'm a ford nut remember lol. |
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