Vfacts May 2011 - Page 2

whales · 03-06-2011, 04:40 PM

Kiss your *** goodbye Falcon

GTP owner · 03-06-2011, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

oh noes, ford are doomed, the sky is falling, run for your lives!!

The sky has already fallen. Just some are knocking on the coffin hoping for signs of life. I think unless Ford reinvent the falcon as a mid-size rear driver then the FG is essentially the end of the road.

bobthebilda · 03-06-2011, 05:01 PM

Does anyone know what sort of production Ford did in May. At 1400 Falcon, 500 Territory, maybe 500 Utes? = 2400 (plus 200 exports?) thats only 2600 cars in a 22 day working month. Even on a 3 day week, thats only 216 a day, for 12 days of manufacturing. Dont they plan to go to a 209 day/ 5 day a week operation in the near future. Either production was further curtailed that what was planned, or stocks must be growing even more.

**Fordman1** · 03-06-2011, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bobthebilda

Does anyone know what sort of production Ford did in May. At 1400 Falcon, 500 Territory, maybe 500 Utes? = 2400 (plus 200 exports?) thats only 2600 cars in a 22 day working month. Even on a 3 day week, thats only 216 a day, for 12 days of manufacturing. Dont they plan to go to a 209 day/ 5 day a week operation in the near future. Either production was further curtailed that what was planned, or stocks must be growing even more.

SZ Territory has been in full production all month, but is only just about to be shipped. ie: approx 2000 units.

csv8 · 03-06-2011, 05:46 PM

What concerns me is, that FORD don't seem to care.? FORD are doing nothing to promote the FALCON..end of year sales etc, do nothing. FORD need to run ads comparing Falcon to Commodore, so people know how superior the FG is..But they aren't. I see FORD allowing FALCON a slow death and saying " production ends Dec 2011, as no one is buying the Falcon." sad to say, but thats how I see it..Slow death by incompetence in marketting etc.. Bye Falcon, been nice to know you , past 41 years. (I have owned 4 plus a Fairlane and have a BF Mk 2 Ghia.)

stevz · 03-06-2011, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

SZ Territory has been in full production all month, but is only just about to be shipped. ie: approx 2000 units.

I'm sure I read somewhere that the way the plant operates requires 2 Falcons to be made for every Territory that comes off the line. If this is the case then where are all these Falcons going, as the paddocks are bursting at the seams already?

**Fordman1** · 03-06-2011, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

I'm sure I read somewhere that the way the plant operates requires 2 Falcons to be made for every Territory that comes off the line. If this is the case then where are all these Falcons going, as the paddocks are bursting at the seams already?

It's a lot closer to 1 to 1 now.

ovl351 · 03-06-2011, 06:35 PM

May 2011 top ten makes:

Brand Sales / Movement % / Share %

Holden / 11,115 / -2.3 / 14.4
Toyota / 11,044 / -38.1 / 14.3
Hyundai / 7444 / +16.7 / 9.6
Ford / 6830 / -24.3 / 8.8
Mazda / 5941 / -14.2 / 7.7
Nissan / 5093 / -12.4 / 6.6
Mitsubishi / 4691 / -18.3 / 6.1
Volkswagen / 3625 / +8.8 / 4.7
Subaru / 2454 / -32.0 / 3.2
Kia / 2353 / +15.7 / 3.0

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2578A4001896DE

JPFS1 · 03-06-2011, 06:35 PM

it's going to get foggy in here...

jpd80 · 03-06-2011, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JPFS1

it's going to get foggy in here...

We're not sure where Ford is going, maybe someone can reset the compass and point us in the right direction...

JPFS1 · 03-06-2011, 07:20 PM

actually my comment is better suited to a marketing thread.

vztrt · 03-06-2011, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bobthebilda

Ford have alot more incentive to advertise a 1500 a month Ranger selling for high $30 thousands to public buyers, than it does selling 1400 a month low $30 thousand Falcons that mainly go to fleets anyhow.

They're selling Rangers for 21-22k.

flappist · 03-06-2011, 07:25 PM

Well stop whinging and get out and buy a NEW falcon........

GT69 · 03-06-2011, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Well stop whinging and get out and buy a NEW falcon........

Nooooooooooo....because it isn't a 600kw 1.1l/100 diesel wagon spaceship. Its resale isn't 150% and its build quality isn't NASA grade.

/end sarcasm

I love my FG. I'll be looking forward to upgrading to a FG2 shortly

Resurrection · 03-06-2011, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Well stop whinging and get out and buy a NEW falcon........

+1

I'm on number 6 and looking forward to my 7th Falcon.

Smoke Pursuit · 03-06-2011, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bobthebilda

The figure would be combined 4x4 and 4x2. Same goes for the Hilux figures etc.

Ford have alot more incentive to advertise a 1500 a month Ranger selling for high $30 thousands to public buyers, than it does selling 1400 a month low $30 thousand Falcons that mainly go to fleets anyhow.

Why??

Falcon actually has more margin in it for Ford / Dealers then the imported rangers do!!

irish2 · 03-06-2011, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Well stop whinging and get out and buy a NEW falcon........

Would do so in spades if I didn't have 12 cylinders rego (in QLD) and a new house to pay off.

csv8 · 03-06-2011, 07:55 PM

I haven't updated my BF Mk 2 Ghia as the G6E isn't much different in style or equipment. The G6E should have the same equipment as the Mondeo Titanium.
I have looked at the Mondeo and would consider it if the BF no longer meets my specifications. Calais V V8 is on my radar..FORD has nothing in the price range. FPV is too expensive..If I was looking at FPV..THE HSV Senator would win..
End of my rant..

Windsor220 · 03-06-2011, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

What concerns me is, that FORD don't seem to care.? FORD are doing nothing to promote the FALCON..end of year sales etc, do nothing. FORD need to run ads comparing Falcon to Commodore, so people know how superior the FG is..But they aren't. I see FORD allowing FALCON a slow death and saying " production ends Dec 2011, as no one is buying the Falcon." sad to say, but thats how I see it..Slow death by incompetence in marketting etc.. Bye Falcon, been nice to know you , past 41 years. (I have owned 4 plus a Fairlane and have a BF Mk 2 Ghia.)

I have a feeling Ford isnt bothering marketing the Falcon because it cant compete on spec with everything else. They may be waiting for series 2 and then go all out. They seem to have burned a lot of money on getting the new engines in (Gas 6, FPV miami, ecoboost) and need the money for the next update to get some more interior goodies in the car. If they dont bother marketing the series 2 then we will know that they have given up on it.

prydey · 03-06-2011, 11:19 PM

maybe the supporters need to catch up with ford, and realise they aren't the 'falcon' car company. so many on here see the v facts every month and hone in on one model.

falcon has been pretty steady this year (albeit in low numbers) and ford have the series 2, lpg and ecoboost coming so i doubt they are as worried as many on here are.

naddis01 · 03-06-2011, 11:22 PM

Any other figures yet? How did Mondeo go? Were those 2 months just a blip on the radar and has it settled back to its <500/month? Mazda 6 only sold 425 for the month so I would say Mondeo is still ahead of it for 2nd in the Medium class.

Commodore has regained its number 1 position this month albeit by only 200 odd units.

http://www.ozmazdaclub.com/newsroom/...breakdown.html

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Top Ten Sales By Marque (Marque - Monthly Sales)

1.Holden - 11,115
2.Toyota - 11,04
3.Hyundai - 7,444
4.Ford - 6,830
5.Mazda - 5,941
6.Nissan - 5,093
7.Mitsubishi - 4,691
8.Volkswagen - 3,625
9.Subaru - 2,454
10.Kia - 2,353
Total Market - 77,406

Top Ten Sales By Marque (Marque - YTD Sales)

1.Toyota - 72,614
2.Holden - 49,743
3.Ford - 36,008
4.Mazda - 35,170
5.Hyundai - 34,444
6.Nissan - 27,599
7.Mitsubishi - 25,283
8.Subaru - 15,642
9.Volkswagen - 15,415
10.Honda - 12,191
Total Market - 400,084

Top Ten Sales by Model (Marque/Model - Monthly Sales)

1.Holden Commodore - 3,504
2.Toyota Hilux - 3,162
3.Holden Cruze - 2,914
4.Mazda Mazda3 - 2,797
5.Hyundai i30 - 2,479
6.Nissan Navara - 1,983
7.Volkswagen Golf - 1,864
8.Hyundai Getz - 1,730
9.Ford Ranger - 1,520
10.Toyota Camry - 1,499

Top Ten Sales by Model (Marque/Model - YTD Sales)

1.Holden Commodore - 17,223
2.Mazda Mazda3 - 17,000
3.Toyota Hilux - 15,462
4.Toyota Corolla - 13,624
5.Holden Cruze - 12,942
6.Hyundai i30 - 11,715
7.Nissan Navara - 9,996
8.Hyundai Getz - 8,533
9.Mitsubishi Lancer - 7,779
10.Mitsubishi Triton - 7,734

Mazda Model Breakdown (Model - Monthly Sales - YTD Sales)

Mazda2 - 1,040 - 6,808
Mazda3 - 2,782 - 16,876
Mazda3 MPS - 15 - 124
Mazda6 - 425 - 2,301
MX-5 - 40 - 154
RX-8 - 9 - 41
CX-7 - 577 - 3,459
CX-9 - 241 - 1,331
BT-50 4X2 - 433 - 2,271
BT-50 4X4 - 379 - 1,805

Quicksand · 03-06-2011, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Well stop whinging and get out and buy a NEW falcon........

I resent this. Many of us on here are buying as many new Falcon's as is financially practical (sometimes when it isn't). We are losing money hand over fist by changing to a new Falcon every 1-3 years.

By the sounds of it, it is just the forum and Ford enthusiasts that is propping up the Falcon. THATS NOT ENOUGH!!!

Ford needs to win over the public again, and by the sounds of it, they have resigned the Falcon to its fate and DONT GIVE A STUFF.

So if Ford dont give a stuff, why should i go out and keep taking crappy resale, poor quality build's, disgraceful after sales customer service and everything else up the tail pipe?

You are losing me Ford, just like you are losing everyone else.

P6LTD351 · 03-06-2011, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Well stop whinging and get out and buy a NEW falcon........

Let's face it. Ford have given up on the Falcon. They are allowing it to die. Has got nothing to do with a small group of enthusiasts buying NEW Falcons.

So one can't voice their frustration unless they buy a NEW car? I guess I better not comment on the footy either as I haven't played the game.

BTW I don't call it whinging, I call it CARING about the potential end of our favourite car.

But I best just shut my mouth as I can't afford to buy a new one.

b0son · 04-06-2011, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Well stop whinging and get out and buy a NEW falcon........

WHy? Is the last Falcon going to be a collectible? The Magna wasnt...

jpd80 · 04-06-2011, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Well stop whinging and get out and buy a NEW falcon........

Can't, he isn't a fleet owner...

Fordman · 04-06-2011, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by b0son

WHy? Is the last Falcon going to be a collectible? The Magna wasnt...

Nor the 380 for that matter. Lol.

jpd80 · 04-06-2011, 10:42 AM

The last Falcon made will probably never be sold and end up in a Ford museum
with 4,000 of it's brothers...

All jokes aside, it quite scarry that XR6 is $34,990 drive away and available on some plans as $30K drive away
yet Falcon sales are in the 1300s, maybe Ford is counting on Territory becoming the dominant vehicle.....

b0son · 04-06-2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

maybe Ford is counting on Territory becoming the dominant vehicle.....

Ford need Falcon to sell in viable numbers for the territory to be viable also. If one dies, so too will the other in all likelihood.

Goodbye locally made Fords of any kind at this rate.

Brazen · 04-06-2011, 02:04 PM

realised the Commodore Sportwagon has probably been outselling the entire Falcon range for quite some time now.

**russellw** · 04-06-2011, 02:59 PM

The first set of graphical data is now uploaded in the Tech area.

Cheers
Russ