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Taken from Solar Citizens website -
Solar Citizens will work to ensure: •Every Australian is able to take up the benefits of solar in their home or in their community •Solar homeowners are paid a fair price for the power they contribute to the grid •Solar homeowners are able to connect to the grid •Solar homeowners are not subject to unreasonable charges or tariffs (with thanks to Solar Citezens) ps - i'm not a spokesman for this mob, i thought i would throw it up for those it may interest. cheer's, Maka
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This what happens when governments policies encourage population growth with immigration etc but cannot keep up with infrastructure needed to support it.
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Remember when we fully owned our utilities, the SEC (state electricity commission ) for example, if something needed to to get done ..... it got done, these days if something needs to get done they take the cheapest alternative possible, or have a meeting and discuss how they can cut costs or services elsewhere or ..... put prices up to keep the profit margins up. i mentioned in another post about light poles around Melbourne being crooked ....... not just talking one or two here or there, bloody everywhere , and it stands out like the nose on your face. i can only assume linesmen are not trained well enough to know you have to have a certain amount of slack in the cables so when the cold weather comes and the cables contract they don't pull the poles over, this sort of crap was very rare in the old days. Getting back to the power price rise, its too bad if you are not in a suitable area to have solar. |
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yes comrade .... you vill use airconditioner when we say ...OR ELSE !!!!!! |
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Amec want to lessen the burden on the network in peak demand, yet overall usage is declining as Bill M pointed out in a earlier post -
"The trade-off would be price cuts in normal weather. By curtailing peak demand, less money would need to be spent on network expansion" "The AEMC claims rule changes it made last month to send these signals will deliver modest savings of over the medium term to most households" "The rise of airconditioners is blamed for growth in “peak demand”. There has been about $8 billion of network upgrades in the past decade to deal with this growth and that investment has been recouped through big price rises for all households" "Charges for network services now account for half of a bill. The actual power is just 20 per cent" (with thanks to the Daily Telegraph) Mik, your right, behaviour modification with a big stick. Just like the old days at high school! ![]() cheer's, Maka
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You sir are spot on, you've identified the source of all Australia's infrastructure problems. In fact all the world's problems. |
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I assume they would only be able to control your AC if you have a "smart" meter, and not the older conventional ones. Is that right??
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If you're getting solar then I strongly suggest that you buy the panels NOW.
http://www.greentechmedia.com/articl...higher-tariffs
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don't know how they would be able to shut off just your air-con unless it is on a totally different switching arrangement.
would have to be remote controlled or the blokes they send around to manually shut it off would want to be big boys.
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http://forums.radioreference.com/ele...te-cutoff.html http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...offs-1.2834439 Quote:
It looks like they just shut off your entire house not just your aircon and its done via a dispatch. If they want to shed loads they can just shutoff the entire suburb or town not individual houses.
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you're talking about the old rolling blackouts......would not be tolerated nor allowed in this day and age.......Certainly with no benefit to consumer or reason behind it.
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Will not be tolerated? Of course there would have to be a reason behind cutting off the power. Melting high voltage lines. etc http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/su...206-325e0.html Quote:
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yet to see a high voltage power line melt, in fact there are many safeguards to give way before that happened.
the main ones are the transformers.......they have all been updated. I'm afraid the media (as usual) has slopped up a lot of propaganda which has been spread by power barons in an effort to justify their multi million dollar profits. there is, and always will be, scare tactics and propaganda circulating, the trick is to be able to weave our way to the truth.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nt0njgVmv4 Just because you haven't actually seen it with your own eyes doesn't mean it won't happen. Its impossible to keep an eye on every single HV circuit all across Australia at least from a personal perspective. AT least its good to hear that they are upgrading transformers and doing what they need to do to keep ahead of the curve of failing gear. But once we see an economic downturn I don't see why they cannot start to skip on maintenance. Its also good to hear that we are using less and less power and going more and more to Solar grid-tie. That should hopefully reduce the strain on the grid. I would like to find out what will happen when a large percentage of households install solar and the entire street or suburb is running at higher-than-healthy voltages.
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Most times the authorities will have the power switched off for this reason. |
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Our last quarterly power bill was $30. I'm glad for solar power. In fact, I'm stoked.
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Clothes are either dried on the line or inside on the clothes horse if the weather is bad. Saved a fortune.
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hasn't happened, never will, too many safety measures in place to protect the grid and don't forget the grid is substantially over constructed, one of the so called reasons our power prices are so high. everytime this is dragged out I see chicken little in the tabloids. as for overloading the system with too many solar systems, I suggest you do a little more homework. everybody that has home solar installed must comply with regulations, as in licensing the generating system to comply with allowable voltages relating to the particular line they about to "feed into". we all must have a PVSEG number, or Photo voltaic Small Energy Generator number and your system must comply with the capabilities of the line it is to tie into. if the line is to be "overloaded" the license will either not be granted or the line will be upgraded to handle the extra load. once again can't happen.
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That's right. I believe the newer ac installations are connected directly to the smart meter hence being able to turn it down or even off.
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I meant that a dangerous condition involving the voltage rating of appliances (neighbours appliances) burning out as a result of inadequate voltage regulation on the local power grid. And you do sound pretty knowledgeable on the topic but I would hazard to guess you are also very self-assured. Not sure if that is a bonus or what. Oh and the new york blackout occured as a result of a single tree in a high voltage power line corridor and a guy forgetting to turn on said safety equipment after repairing it the day before. I agree though that the chances are slim. #1 You would need safety systems to be offline or in disrepair. #2 You would need a lack of maintenance in hv power line corridors. #3 You would need a solar flare. (And safety equipment like earthing at the generating station to be in disrepair or non functioning state) #4 Nuclear War. So still slim.
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lets just say that I do have a lot of "internal" knowledge of power systems with years of actual hands on experience in this exact subject, this would possibly account for my "self assurance".
you are talking hypotheticals as well as differing power system (american) as well as twisting the conversation into non existent Hypothetical boundaries which would be impossible to replicate without multiple failures of multiple systems. we shall leave the debate there I think.
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At predetermined peak loads, the power company can remotely switch off x number of compressors in each street for a predetermined amount of time only (like 10-15 mins) this has the effect of shedding load across a suburb while the internal AC blower still operates. For the life of me I cant see where this saves power as when the compressor is reactivated, it will have to work that bit harder to cool the inside air back to where it was before the shutdown. There was a trial of this system in SA at one stage but not sure where it is now. There was talk a few years ago of houses having to notify the power company of how many ac units are in their premises. It will get to a stage when new system installs will need to be approved with a device of this nature, big brother will definitely have a hand over your power use.
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do you have any literature on this? mate, we just installed a new unit before chrissy and I remember that the mob who installed the unit had to notify the power mob. at the time I wondered why! simply assuming that it was to do with the compilation of the drain on local lines. I wonder if ours has this?......if so i won't be happy. and yes I agree, the savings made will be soaked up to "recool" the house.
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Or even if say, a 2hp air con is on it's own dedicated circuit? Does Powercor bluetooth your compressor from headquarters and trip the circuit breaker or what?
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Do they do 240V/415V relays? I doubt they'd do that sort of stuff though, if I had A/C and they turned it off I'd be on their door steps holding signs and yelling ![]() |
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New appliances will have built in new technology to facilitate communication with the network grid, hence via smart meters. |
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It involves a "box" mounted next to the aircon (or pool pump) that is in the control of the power company that can remotely cycle the compressor, or pump on & off... So, "at this stage"... Big brother hasn't got control of what's wired to our household board without us knowing.
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Why would anyone agree to that test lol?
Yeah no worries chuck this box on my house and you can turn A/C compressor on and off when ever you feel like it, like this 45 degree day coming up, feel free to not let me use my A/C when I need it. |
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