Sandown Historic 2009 pics. “Warning large files” - Page 2

xbgs351 · 09-11-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

Sunday at Sandown.

John Bowe getting ready for the top speed comparison run in Iain Pretty’s RF GT 40. This car would most likely be the fastest one in the country and was unbelievable to watch when JB was driving it the way it was meant to be driven.

In comparison to what? How did it go?

Trevor 57 · 09-11-2009, 03:25 PM

It is great to see that the great Sir Jack hasn't lost the passion, once a race man, always a race man - good onya Sir Jack.

Go baby Go · 09-11-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

Some quick gear in the car park too.

Hey Danny,

That belong to a well known tarmac rally driver who steers an R32 in targa and the like....

I only went Friday. Took some shots of yours, but you'd already have them and then some..
Here's a few but you can tell what i was watching......

I heard that a couple of cars caught fire - no one badly hurt?

CSV_LS1 · 09-11-2009, 03:59 PM

Great pics.
Did you happen to see an old silver Corvette covertible racecar there?

auxr · 09-11-2009, 04:20 PM

:sm_drool: :sm_drool: :sm_drool: Thanks for the pics, got the V8 supercars coming shortly to the West, but this day out with all the history involved surely would be the pick in my book.

xbgs351 · 09-11-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by auxr

:sm_drool: :sm_drool: :sm_drool: Thanks for the pics, got the V8 supercars coming shortly to the West, but this day out with all the history involved surely would be the pick in my book.

They are running Formula Classic as a support category. Formula Classic is basically pre-1985 historic Formula Atlantic, Formula 5000, Formula 2 and some sports cars. The class definitely has potential to be faster than the V8Supercars, given that a RALT RT4 (Formula Atlantic) driven by John Bowe held the lap record their for years, at 53.44s.

FPV8U · 09-11-2009, 05:19 PM

Looks like the Project is coming along extreamly well Danny, love the Duel Entry Plenum set-up also.

Shame i missed this event, but one cannot be in two places at once.

**Polyal** · 09-11-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by xbgs351

They are running Formula Classic as a support category. Formula Classic is basically pre-1985 historic Formula Atlantic, Formula 5000, Formula 2 and some sports cars. The class definitely has potential to be faster than the V8Supercars, given that a RALT RT4 (Formula Atlantic) driven by John Bowe held the lap record their for years, at 53.44s.

Only problem there is that these days they wont push them 11/10ths in fear of bending them. Far enough but man it would be great to see them attacking hard.

There were two up the front that kept a good pace.

BDA Escort · 09-11-2009, 05:36 PM

was a top weekend. much better than watching the taxi racing could ever be!

mick's A9X that lindsay was driving (the white and red roadways/gown hindaugh/aunger wheels #20) is very much worse for wear with it's heavily bent nose and scorched rear, but it'll be back again next year. the "down to a bare shell, repair, and start again" plans were under way before the car was even loaded to go home again. there were plans to do a full rebuild soon anyway, but the incident has brought those plans forward a little now, and are a bit more involved than hoped!

KPOJ · 09-11-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Only problem there is that these days they wont push them 11/10ths in fear of bending them. Far enough but man it would be great to see them attacking hard.

There were two up the front that kept a good pace.

True, but tyre, engine, set up has moved on through the years so they may not be driving them as hard but similar lap times are very possible.

hawke · 09-11-2009, 06:30 PM

Trust me, some of these guys are running at 11/10ths in their historic cars. I was there and running with them. You are driving as hard as you can.

xbgs351 · 09-11-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Only problem there is that these days they wont push them 11/10ths in fear of bending them. Far enough but man it would be great to see them attacking hard.

There were two up the front that kept a good pace.

Chris Farrell and Ty Hanger don't exactly muck around.

KPOJ · 09-11-2009, 08:21 PM

Formula 5000 doing a 1.10 in qualifying!!!!!!!!!!

gtxb67 · 09-11-2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

Ahaha i love the Grice/Percy VL V8 - 1990 Bathurst Winner
this, remember, is 2 full years after the last VL was produced. What a legendary car.

if the sierra's were not forced to carry an extra 80kgs in that race, the ****ingshaw would not have got near them. even with the extra weight (the equivalent of an extra passenger for 6 hours), a sierra still finished with 15 seconds of it

i am sorry but i have no time for the ****inshaw - it had mega dollars spent on it to win one race and failed miserably at that - even the illegal ones were too slow. it only had success because the other cars were penalised for beating it

**Full Noise** · 09-11-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

I was there aswell and saw that poor torana hit the wall. Was a decent hit aswell.

Here she is at the end of the day. :(

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Originally Posted by xbgs351

In comparison to what? How did it go?

Sorry about that. He was up against the two Brabhams, son and grandson in a Bavarian taxi and a Formula Ford. No contest really. It shat all over them from a great height. John couldn’t get anywhere near the tyre temperature required, not that it mattered. He could have nailed them both by turn three if he really wanted to.

Cheers

Bossxr8 · 09-11-2009, 09:26 PM

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if the sierra's were not forced to carry an extra 80kgs in that race, the ****ingshaw would not have got near them. even with the extra weight (the equivalent of an extra passenger for 6 hours), a sierra still finished with 15 seconds of it

i am sorry but i have no time for the ****inshaw - it had mega dollars spent on it to win one race and failed miserably at that - even the illegal ones were too slow. it only had success because the other cars were penalised for beating it

That pretty much sums up much of Holdens race history doesn't it, get wins when there's little or no competition or had the competition nobbled ie. AU, A9X era.

gtxb67 · 09-11-2009, 09:29 PM

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Here she is at the end of the day. :(

a sad sight - it would have been beautiful just over 30 years ago, but it certainly not what any enthusiast would like to see. i assume it is a genuine car as well, which would make it somehow even worse

KPOJ · 09-11-2009, 09:45 PM

Very sad sight to see that poor old beast come in injured.

Full noise, whats the best lap time around sandown in the race gt40? any engine specs

elxr8393 · 09-11-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KPOJ

Very sad sight to see that poor old beast come in injured.

Full noise, whats the best lap time around sandown in the race gt40? any engine specs

JB was cruising on old tyres in practice doing 12's but believes it has 7's or 8's in it on new tyres. Even then it was pulling 170mph up the back straight. He has lapped Eastern Creek in it 3 seconds faster than V8SC's on the second lap out before traffic.....

KPOJ · 09-11-2009, 10:08 PM

What does it weigh and what width tyres is it running?

Spanrz · 09-11-2009, 11:31 PM

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G’day Spanrz,
I’ve been out of the trade since 1990 and driving trucks since then, so it wasn’t me. Obviously diesel mechanics have good taste in cars. :hihi:

Hahaha, yeah. A lot has changed since 1990, that I can tell ya.
The fella came to where I work and did an old GM motor tune up with the injector/racks.

He showed me pics and all, and all I can remember was a black (hopefully memory serves me correct on the colour) GT40 and that he said that Glen Seton practiced / raced it around Phillip Island and said it was nuts and wouldn't do that again. He apparently was scared of it.
Not many people had the guts to drive it.

MethodX · 10-11-2009, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

That pretty much sums up much of Holdens race history doesn't it, get wins when there's little or no competition or had the competition nobbled ie. AU, A9X era.

And whats fords?
pulling out when it gets tough and using Euro cars that people cant relate too?

Good on that VL, was a happy day.

xbgs351 · 10-11-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by KPOJ

Formula 5000 doing a 1.10 in qualifying!!!!!!!!!!

Which prompted me to look the results up on Natsoft and to no surprise it was a Lola T332.

outback_ute · 10-11-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by gtxb67

a sad sight - it would have been beautiful just over 30 years ago, but it certainly not what any enthusiast would like to see. i assume it is a genuine car as well, which would make it somehow even worse

Definitely a genuine car, all Grp C/A's racing are. At least it looks very repairable even if a lot of work.

The speed comparison was similar to the F1 events, M3 vs FFord vs GT40. Had a look at the GT40 in the pits and as you can see from the photos a very impressive weapon. Danny it was obvious from the grandstand that JB was playing with the other cars! Not sure why they didn't use more realistic handicaps to do a proper comparison!

**Polyal** · 10-11-2009, 10:03 AM

Oh and something else I noticed, how freaking cool is the e30 BMW M3 Grp A.

Are they a 4 cylinder? Because it sounded mental. I like a good pinto but that just pooped all over them aswell. Great car.

Fair302 · 10-11-2009, 10:22 AM

Awesome, love the shots. The main reason for me to go and watch the V8 Supercars as I have lots almost all interest in them.

**Polyal** · 10-11-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Fair302

Awesome, love the shots. The main reason for me to go and watch the V8 Supercars as I have lots almost all interest in them.

Agreed, I forgot all about PI until I saw it on the news.

Another tid bit, Jim Richards won the last race in his falcon sprint which is a 289, I walked past after the race and noticed on the board the wee Windsor pumps out 535HP. DAMN! I didn't realize how good they can be, I thought that was 351 territory. Great to see it going by the stangs.

Rev28K · 10-11-2009, 11:09 AM

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Another tid bit, Jim Richards won the last race in his falcon sprint which is a 289, I walked past after the race and noticed on the board the wee Windsor pumps out 535HP. DAMN! I didn't realize how good they can be, I thought that was 351 territory. Great to see it going by the stangs.

While it’s a really good little 289 I don't think that it has had the money thrown at it that some of the 351’s are rumoured to have had spent on them.

A lot of people assume that it is a 302. I think that they also had to restrict its revs for parity reasons.

I can remember reading that if JR is going through a sequence of flowing corners he has the corner speed to keep the revs up and match the bigger engined cars. But if it is more of a slow right down then speed up again sequence the torque advantage of the bigger engined cars is unbeatable.

auxr · 10-11-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by xbgs351

They are running Formula Classic as a support category. Formula Classic is basically pre-1985 historic Formula Atlantic, Formula 5000, Formula 2 and some sports cars. The class definitely has potential to be faster than the V8Supercars, given that a RALT RT4 (Formula Atlantic) driven by John Bowe held the lap record their for years, at 53.44s.

Thanks for the info - have known about the support programme and have seen what a RALT RT4 can do around Barbagallo - awesome, have also seen JB drive the same car (I believe) around the track, but the main problem I face in getting to the track to watch the main game is when the line of cars entering the track stretched out to 2.5 klms outside the track at 4.00am in the morning, is when I decided enough is enough and now watch the race comfortably on the big screen with a couple of mates, even though I live only 5 minutes away from the track - thats after a run of fifteen years of not missing a race round.

xbgs351 · 10-11-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by auxr

Thanks for the info - have known about the support programme and have seen what a RALT RT4 can do around Barbagallo - awesome, have also seen JB drive the same car (I believe) around the track, but the main problem I face in getting to the track to watch the main game is when the line of cars entering the track stretched out to 2.5 klms outside the track at 4.00am in the morning, is when I decided enough is enough and now watch the race comfortably on the big screen with a couple of mates, even though I live only 5 minutes away from the track - thats after a run of fifteen years of not missing a race round.

How far is it to walk?