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As I referred too in the thread I started a few weeks back, Territory should now become Fords No 1 here, its needs more effort put into it because it will soon be their number 1 seller here and potentially their export hope. Selling Territory in higher numbers and opening up export markets also helps to keep Broadmeadows viable, which in turn could help Falcons prospects for the future because you can't have one without the other, and they need volume to keep the plant viable. |
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Should they dry some different engines like I-6T, Ecoboost I-4...maybe 2.5 I-4 from Ranger? A Titanium plus version with just about every conceivable option known to man? What about EcoLPI, is that worth a shot? |
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I think it would be less about the engines and more about model variants and feature content.
Keep with the 2.7TDCi and a 4cyl Ecoboost for export variants, but introduce a range topper to sit above the Titanium (let's call it an LTD shall we?) and a sports model -like the XR, with skirts, lowered suspension and some nice rims and interior trim.
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An XR version with the option of a 3 litre TDV6 could be an option too, put this engine in the LTD and maybe optional in Titanium too. Its going to have to get the 3 litre eventually anyway, the 2.7 won't stay in production forever and won't pass future emissions regs either. Still trying to get a line into when the 2.7 will finish production, someone tried to tell me it wasn't too far away and that Ford would have to look at the 3 litre, but its seemed a bit ill informed. No one I know has been able to determine if the 2.7 is due to finish any time soon. No one seems to know. One thing I think is a must is bigger wheels, all the others are going 19's and 20's now, 18's just don't cut it on todays SUV's. Even Toyota have 19's on the daggy Kluger, that's embarrasing for Ford that the cardigan car company fits bigger wheels to their SUV's than Ford do. |
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Great thread, so good to read a positive note about such a good product.
It's such a nice contrast to many of the news stories and threads recently, one message for FOA, as an owner: GO FOR IT! |
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This thread is suddenly having a bit more relevance...
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11354570
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Its on between 28th March - 8th April... I'll be going for sure.
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![]() As to the lifetime for the 2.7tdi, we would need to keep an eye on the vehicles it's used in now because once it's replaced in these Ford Oz's volume wouldn't be enough to keep it in production just for Terry. And as you mentioned emission regs will be the factor. Last edited by Dr Smith; 25-03-2012 at 02:08 PM. |
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I think people prefer the sexier Territory rather than "Oh Toyota's are reliable.. we'll get a Toyota".
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There's long waiting queues for Hilux, Prado and yes, quite a few Rangers on back order as well.. |
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Ford have been favoring the V6 diesel delivery over I-6 RWDs because that's where the money is
but IMO, they could be working both sides of the street as there are two distinct territory buyer groups, those that want a RWD petrol S/W replacement and those who want a diesel, preferably with AWD. And if the I-6 is becoming doubtful, then throw the Ecoboost I-4 in there and get more bottom end sales with RWD petrol getting 8.5 to 9.0 l/100 km will certainly catch other brands by surprise. |
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If we assume (as is now accepted) that the I6 will go the way of the dodo within 4-5 years than might as well start planning ahead. I think its obvious a 3.5-3.7 V6 will replace the I6 in budget applications (unless the new smaller V6 is ready...) since its produced in such great numbers at a low cost but for other models (export/premium segments) the deisel engines and ecboost donks are the future. A EB 2.0I4T/2.7TDiesel territory sounds about perfect for the up and coming asian economies. way cooler than a camry.....yo...
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but big changes in economy requirements have forced a rethink on other fuel economy solutions, I-4 Ecoboost and V6 diesel both have their place in the current line up but sadly, I think we're witnessing not only the demise of the I-6 but large capacity six cylinders in general and V8 have become the realm of elite of higher priced restricted quantity FPV cars. So armed with that, very little purchase could be achieved by switching from local engines to Mustang's V6 and V8, it may in fact be better to skip the V6 and just run with Ecoboost I-4 and maybe just V8 for performance buyers. I have the feeling that the 4.0 is caught in the middle with both insufficient fuel economy and performance. But yes, for Asian markets V6 diesel and Ecoboost I-4, separately at first and then eventually in both Territory at least. |
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It can be a done a solid N/A six with low end torque. That's really what economy is about... low end torque. It's what EcoBoost is about. But we're getting that with a 4cyl turbo now. I only wish some niche sports manufacturer would buy the engine plant and keep making them for low volume production sports cars. But that's not likely to happen. I will miss it though.. and I'll shed a tear probably when it's all over.
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However the EcoLPI is the I6 competitive advantage right now. EcoLPI in Territory might satiate those looking for a LPG Wagon, but without AWD, it's market penetration is going to be compromised. Having no AWD is going to deny EcoLPI Territory access to the higher end of the Territory market. The I6 will live on for as long as there's no LPI option on either an I4 or V6 Ecoboost. Lukeyson
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1) Supporting the I-6 by supplying EcoLPI for fleets and now retail 2) offering alternatives with diesel in Territory and Ecoboost coming in Falcon. They way i see it is that Ford is putting it squarely on buyers to tell Ford what they want. Every time fuel prices rise or stay high, it hurts Falcon and Commodore sales so its pretty obvious that buyers shy away from the bigger sixes when that happens and sure LPG alternatives are now in place and it remains t be seen just how many buyers take up LPG vehicles, how many opt for the new Ecoboost and how many stay with petrol sixes. In the end, buying patterns are going to decide this because as much as we might like this or that engine, it's the buying patterns now that determine what vehicles are available in the next two to four years, both new and used are affected.. |
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The story has hit the mainstream press (from Drive.com.au):
Ford Territory export hope March 27, 2012 - 8:13AM Read laterComments 7 . Ford's Australian-made Territory could be exported to parts of Asia. Ford Australia's homegrown Territory SUV could be headed to Asia. Ford Australia will display a Ford Territory at the Bangkok motor show, with a view to a potential ASEAN export program if the vehicle is well received. News of the plan is a well-needed boost for the local manufacturer, which has faced constant speculation about its future as sales of its Falcon sedan continue to slump. Unlike Holden and Toyota, who export to the Middle East, Ford doesn't have a recognised export program for the Falcon and the Territory, which are built off the same platform at the company's Broadmeadows plant in Victoria. Advertisement: Story continues below The local operation hasn't announced anything publicly, but a press release issued from Bangkok says the show will "serve as the ASEAN preview for the new Ford Territory premium SUV". The overseas release says the Bangkok show will be used "to gauge customer interest and the feasibility of a local market introduction". A local spokesman for Ford wouldn't elaborate on the development. "We're just exploring some opportunities," he says. Australia has had a Free Trade Agreement with Thailand since 2005, but so far the automotive trade between the countries has been one-way traffic, with a huge influx of Thai-built vehicles arriving Down Under. Most one-tonne utes sold here are made in Thailand, while Ford's Fiesta and most of Honda's range is sourced from there. In 2009, Thailand overtook Korea as the second biggest source of imported vehicles on the Australian market, behind Japan. Despite the absence of tariffs, there are still significant barriers to doing business in Thailand, and the prospects of a high-volume export program for Ford seem slim. The company is, however, enjoying success with the Australian-designed but Thai-built Ranger utility vehicle, and there have been rumours that an SUV based on the Ranger's underpinnings could be sold in ASEAN countries. More than 12,000 Rangers have been ordered in Thailand since its launch in December last year.
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BossXR8, jpd80,
What are the chances of Geelong being transferred from I6 production to diesel production? I think it's fairly obvious the I6 is on the way out, and with Oz being the major ASEAN market for in-demand, low production diesel engines (thus short supply of Mondeo diesel and probably incoming Kuga diesel as well) what would the bean counters say about Geelong being the ASEAN production centre for diesel engines? It would support home grown demand as well as smaller demand export markets. jpd, it's interesting you say FoA are giving the market the options to make their mind up, but there is still one option missing from Falcon - diesel. I honestly think the market is screaming out for diesels and I think they're simply too scared to put the diesel in the Falc because it will literally be the death knell for the I6. |
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I reckon it's a great move - and maybe i'm being 'un-Australian' but why don't we try and make a car for the Asian market that suits them?
I know that they can probably make their own cheaper - but obviously with low volumes (to them) it's beneficial for Ford Oz to consider things like that? Imagine Ford Oz could export the same figures that the sold in OZ - that would have to help stabalize local production, and settle things in the local manufacturing for the future? Wonder what comes next? Advertising of the Terry/EcoFalc driving thru the streets of Bangkok (picturing the car chase from Hangover#2)?? Positive stuff - great to read.
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GoAuto is reporting that only 100 Terry's a year will be exported to Thailand as a 'premium SUV'.
Will have a negligible impact on volumes. |
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100 Territories/mnth were to be exported to South Africa also, but that seems to have been killed as they are wanting to protect their own volumes of locally produced vehicles (upcoming T6 SUV) it seems.
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I sure if more then 100 people wanted to buy it, more would be exported...
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