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Old 22-02-2008, 04:39 AM   #31
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When it's quiet and your looking for something to do, grab a workshop manual and read the description and operation sections, you will learn so much from these parts of the manual.
Not only that, read through the details with a few of the mechanics so they can explain anything that you don’t understand. Also, don’t be afraid to take workshop manuals home and read them in your own time. This will go a long way to showing those above you that you’re worth taking under their wing and that your not just waiting for five o clock to roll around.

Over a period of time, show these people that you are genuinely interested in learning. After that, make a few deals with the boss.

For example: Say that some of the mechanics are working on a fairly complex job and you would like to be involved with it, and there’s cleaning to be done. Offer to do the cleaning in you own time, at the end of the day, if you can help out with the job. Showing initiative like this will go a long way. Remember, these mechanics don’t have to teach you anything if they don’t want to, so show them that you’re worth their effort.
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Old 22-02-2008, 11:17 AM   #32
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i just finished my apprenticeship.
im now a CNC Machinist.
when i started i got a lot of shitty jobs. did the one job for about 9months, all i did was cut grooves in stainless steel plates using a machine called a shaper. most boring, monotonous job ever. but i didnt complain, stuck at it, and now im programming CNCs.
the way i see things, is that jobs have to be done, cleaning has to be done, and someone has to do it.
if you run out of work, ask for more.
just stick at it, things will get better. alot can happen in 4 years.
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Old 22-02-2008, 12:10 PM   #33
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Being a motor mechanic at a dealership is a real s.h.i.t. kicker job.
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Being a motor mechanic at a dealership is a real s.h.i.t. kicker job.
Thanks for your words of wisdom. I’m sure that comment really helps, Boss 290.

Where did you start your working career, at an F1 team?
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Old 22-02-2008, 12:19 PM   #35
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You are cheap, you will get the crappy jobs for a while. Why would they pay a mechanic 3X your wage so they can sweep floors?
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Old 22-02-2008, 04:20 PM   #36
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I knew what I was in for, and I knew the type of money I was going to be earning. That's not bothering me. Its the actual job, not so much doing menial tasks, its just that I see the other mechanics resenting their work.

This week wasn't so bad.

And to the memeber who said dealership work is for kickers. Call me a kicker.
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Old 22-02-2008, 05:24 PM   #37
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When I started out in spray painting, I got all the crap jobs that everyone else avoided or didn't want to do. That included washing the workshop ute, sweeping floors, emptying bins, getting the lunches, driving customers etc etc. As boring and degrading as it may feel at times, my then employer was accessing my ability to follow direction and do what what I was told. That gave them the confidence to move me on to better jobs as time went on.
I'm now running a workshop, where it's my job now to hand out the shite jobs and I normally pass on them on to the newbies. Why? So I guage if they have the ability to handle something that's basic, easy and commonsence, and if they can do the job without the lip or attitude. The guy's who show the most promise, usually move ahead quick. The numbnut's, whingers and lazy *** halfwits are left where they are until they begin to show some inititive and the will to learn. You seem pretty keen, so hang in there, it'll be all worth it!!!
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Old 22-02-2008, 07:25 PM   #38
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"Well, this week I started my apprenticeship in motor mechanics at a dealership"


Thats the problem right there, if you can try to get into a smallish workshop, much more hands on dude
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boss-290, Hang in there mate. Give yourself time to adjust and then re-evaluate further down the track. I felt the same way last year when my work went bust and we were all camped outside for two weeks. I started a new job as a CNC Machinist/Programmer and found it really hard at first but time has passed and i am really happy there now. It was a challenge that i was determined to win. Stay strong and focused mate, this way, you will know if its what you really want. Cheers, Adam.
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Mate stick it out and after you got 10 yrs exp mechanic its time to leave

Or maybe not 10yrs but still be a tradie
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Old 22-02-2008, 10:32 PM   #41
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The reason why the blokes at your work dont like it is because its a crap job that pays little.

If I had my time over id do a licensed trade. eg plumber, sparkie or fridgie.
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The reason why the blokes at your work dont like it is because its a crap job that pays little.

If I had my time over id do a licensed trade. eg plumber, sparkie or fridgie.
harsh.. I guess some people enjoy it, some don't. you clearly don't. why didn't you get out of it?

ahhh the cleanliness of a well-equipped dealership workshop.. I spend the majority of my working day in a pit working on trucks..
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Is there any good jobs? they all suck except maybe pro surfer, F1 driver etc
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Im still in my trade as a diesel fitter. The reason why I dont get out of it I cant afford to take a pay cut while I learn skills in another trade.

If your going to spend 4 years earning little then do a trade that pays well at the end of it.

Working at a dealership earning maybe $20 per hour once qualified isnt going to get you very far in life.

I dont enjoy working on cars anymore because I spend everyday at work on the spanners.

This is just my opinion on being a motor mechanic. Im just trying to give some insight as to why the people he works with arent enthusiastic about the job.
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Old 30-10-2008, 12:31 PM   #45
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I had enough of this job.

I rang my field officer this morning telling him I want out.

My Foreman is calling me names constantly, putting me under huge pressure. (They gave me a clutch and expected me to know what I was doing, and basically gave me no help! and I'm a first year!) I'm practically doing what the qualifieds are doing, for $7.00p/h GET !

I am having a meeting this afternoon with my Host boss and field officer to sort this out.

I am now looking for other career paths.
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Ahh, the Y generation.
All of us here have more than likley started at the bottom doing the sh!t jobs
It will not come to you the easy way.
(If it does please let me know!)
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Well mate at least you gave it a fair crack. Best of luck with everything. Maybe look into being a sparky? A couple of mates are mine are apprentices, they are enjoying it plus its good money eventually (or so I'm told).

I'm getting sick of my job as well atm, but thankfully this project is almost over!
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Ahh, the Y generation.
All of us here have more than likley started at the bottom doing the sh!t jobs
It will not come to you the easy way.
(If it does please let me know!)
FFS what is with all this gen Y bashing right now? I'm seeing it everywhere. It's all you bloody baby boomers turning into grumpy old men!

Not having a go at you mate, I'm just sick of hearing about gen Y being picked on. Sure there are d***heads amongst us, but personally I don't know many of them. I'm 23, paying for my own wedding, saving for a house deposit, live with my fiancee paying our own way, paid cash for my car (which I worked my rear end off for), and have no debt (except for HECS). All my mates are in similar positions (whether they went to uni, tafe, or work after school).

I'm sticking with my job atm, even though it sucks right now I know (at least I hope!) it will lead to better things. Not all of us are dropkicks. By that sort of logic, we can thank the baby boomers (and some gen x's) for stuffing up the environment and the economy. Not to mention that there is no way, at all, that me and my fiancee could safely afford a house in Sydney and we're on not small wages.

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Well mate at least you gave it a fair crack. Best of luck with everything. Maybe look into being a sparky? A couple of mates are mine are apprentices, they are enjoying it plus its good money eventually (or so I'm told).
Agreed, he didn't like the job 8 months ago and at least gave it a good go, nobody can have a dig at him for eventually packing it in after all that time!

Keep ya chin up mate, you'll work something out, your a long time at work so you may as well find something you enjoy.

If I had my time again I would look into doing an apprenticeship as a Sparky, good trade to fall back on, never out of work, good pay, apparantly they get paid the most of all the tradies on the building sites.

Good luck with it all, let us know how you get on.
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Sorry to hear about what you are going through, after all the time you have put in it really would be a shame to chuck it away.

If your heart really isn't in it then not sure if it ever will be. Keep us posted.
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I had enough of this job.

I rang my field officer this morning telling him I want out.

My Foreman is calling me names constantly, putting me under huge pressure. (They gave me a clutch and expected me to know what I was doing, and basically gave me no help! and I'm a first year!) I'm practically doing what the qualifieds are doing, for $7.00p/h GET !

I am having a meeting this afternoon with my Host boss and field officer to sort this out.

I am now looking for other career paths.
I am with a few others here in Regards to many young people expecting to start at the top or not being able to cope with Crap Jobs that come with starting at the Bottom.

I started work when I was 16 at Coles pushing Trolleys, Packing Bags for Customers, Unloading Semi Trailers with 24 Pallets of Stock on them in the Rain at night & even cleaning Damm Tampon machines in the Girls rooms :

I was not keen on it however I did not think like that mostly as I was happy to have a fulltime Job at that Age as Many I went to School with had no Job at all.

I was able to Buy a Car with the Money I earnt as well as some other things.

Well was not long until I was a Trainee Manager & then not long after a Manager in charge of 30 or so People much older than myself.

Then one Promotion led to another until after a fair amount of years & long Hours (many Unpaid) I resigned & went on to Better things.

Now I Have my own Business & life is Good.

Now I could have quit when I was young as apart from the bad Jobs I had to do for awhile I also came across nasty treatment at times from Older Managers, however I stuck it out as that is what you did way back then.

These days it is all "I want & I expect to be Given".

Well easy street is about to end so maybe Many of you young people will have to toughen up, suck it in & be happy in the Fact you have a Job.

As many will not in the coming years.
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Ahh, the Y generation.
All of us here have more than likley started at the bottom doing the sh!t jobs
It will not come to you the easy way.
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I started at the bottom but I didn't have to put up with my boss giving me mental abuse like the OP seems to. Shouldn't have to tolerate that at all at work.
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Abuse is abuse either way you look at it and it should not be tolerated in todays workforce.

I did a trade as a sparky, still am, and I am damn sure all the other tradies have had the crap jobs and "sucked it up" and have ventured further.

It will only last the first year or two and then it is onward and upward.
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Abuse is abuse either way you look at it and it should not be tolerated in todays workforce.

I couldnt agree more, I have no suggestions on how to protect yourself, others may give you some informed information, everyone else on their high horse, STFU
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It was the opposite when my older cousin started his apprenticeship in cooking, he started at the Windsor Hotel in Melbourne and was treated really well, when he was fully qualified that's when the poo hit the fan, his head chef even hit him once.

I'm all for people not copping abuse in the workshop.
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I am with a few others here in Regards to many young people expecting to start at the top or not being able to cope with Crap Jobs that come with starting at the Bottom.
Where was this suggested? I am sure after 8 months of giving it a damn good go to see if it was for him. Don't see that as giving up or wanting to start from the top? Least he has the guts to change his vocation rather than putting up with something that he detests for the next umpteen years like so many do!

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I had enough of this job.

I rang my field officer this morning telling him I want out.

My Foreman is calling me names constantly, putting me under huge pressure. (They gave me a clutch and expected me to know what I was doing, and basically gave me no help! and I'm a first year!) I'm practically doing what the qualifieds are doing, for $7.00p/h GET !

I am having a meeting this afternoon with my Host boss and field officer to sort this out.

I am now looking for other career paths.
I know how you feel mate. People can only take so much, and looks like they gave you a little too much. As said, you gotta like your job. Half your life is spent there. Let us know what happens.
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Boss 290.
First of all, are you sick of the job or are you just sick of working at the place where you’re working? There’s a big difference.

I don’t think that there was a single day in the first three years of my apprenticeship where I didn’t feel like throwing it in, however, I was not going to let those Bar**ards win. I fixed the problem and found another place to continue my time. It was that easy.
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My Foreman is calling me names constantly, putting me under huge pressure.
You can’t be serious? My advice here, harden the **** up. “He calls me names” big deal. Build a bridge and get over it.

If you seriously think that the pressure that they’re putting you under is huge, then you have some real big shocks coming your way. And as for the comments in this thread about the abuse, well, I nearly fell off my chair laughing.

Boss 290, PM me your phone number and I’ll tell you about some of the things that used to happen to apprentices 20 and 30 years ago. You probably won’t believe a lot of it, however, I can assure you that it went on. I was one of those kids who was tortured in my early years and nearly feel like putting my fist through the computer screen when people say that they are being abused just because a foreman is yelling at them. I could only dream of someone just yelling and abusing me.

Apprenticeships also build character and self discipline, that’s why it’s important to stick with it. Try and find another place to work before you consider throwing in the towel. Remember, nothing worthwhile in life comes easy.

When I was an apprentice, I used to think that I was hard done by. One day I picked up a book about a bloke called Nelson Mandela. After reading about this bloke, I realised how insignificant my problems at work really were.
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... but you have just ended up being an old grumpy bugga, it has marked you for life.

Would you tell your son to htfu, I certainly wouldnt, in fact I would be more inclined to meet the boss and bestow the intended htfu as a stfu or else!
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I'm sorry that things panned out that way, but the part of what full noise said about are you sick of where you, two entirely different things, I'm a first year myself with one of the little guys, and I absolutely love it, sure i do my share of cleaning but my boss HATES how apprentices have been treated and doesnt want to continue that cycle, I do plenty of real work and when there is time the boss even teaches me a bit on the auto-elec side, which once i'm second year i'd like to start getting qualifications in that too.
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