Idols & Heroes.

[anto]

Ronald Reagan and Mother Teresa.

the world could really use both right about now.

[NAFairlane]

Originally Posted by prydey

I don't think the OP is saying these people are heroes but who they look up to for inspiration or enjoyment.

Yeah, what he said haha this is what i meant.

I know some of you have mentioned you dont believe in sports people being a hero as such. However, my view is that its not about their sporting achievements as such. But who they are as people.

Take Lance Armstrong for example. He's an elite athlete, the best of the best. He won the Tour De France once and was diagnosed with a very severe strain of testicular cancer and lost nearly everything. He was given about a 20% chance to survive, the cancer spread elsewhere in his body. He had to have a testicle amputated. After a number of years away from cycling he returned having overcome the cancer. He then went on to win the Tour De France 7 consecutive times.

He proved than no matter how bad things are, even if you lose everything, if you put your mind to it, you can achieve anything and everything

this is why he is my hero.


sportsmen can't be heroes my ****. lol


/end rant

[SSD-85]

I have a few heroes, real & fictious:

- Henry Ford. He is a hero to me simply because he believed in the idea that an automobile should be affordable to the common man, not reserved just for the super elite. His ideas created one of the very foundations todays society is based upon.

- The scientists of the Renaissance eg: Newton, Galileo, DaVinci. Nerdy as that is, we have them to thank for the Modern Age.

- I wont mention my political heroes, id rather not spark a debate.

- And I wont mention my fictious heroes either, id rather not be picked on for it.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY:

The brave men and women who fought and died in the Armed Forces protecting the way of life we enjoy today. Lest We Forget.

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by NAFairlane

sportsmen can't be heroes

/end rant

I never said sportsmen can't be heros I said their sporting acheivements don't make them a hero.
If a sportsman risked life and limb unselflishly to save other people that would make them a hero.
If they won a game against all odds that is not heroic it is doing their job just like any other employee. that would be like me being called a hero because I recovered data for a customer when everyone else had tried and was unsucsessful. can you see the stupidity in that scenario? well calling someone a hero for winning a game they are employed to play is just as stupid.

the worst thing about hero worshiping sportsmen is we seem to worship the most moronic , the ones who think they can play life by a different set of rules take Shane Warne as an example.

[Pis-ton broke]

all those men that fought in wars that our goverment says to do. i have worked with veterans , i am always very respectfull.

[fordomatic]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

I never said sportsmen can't be heros I said their sporting acheivements don't make them a hero.
If a sportsman risked life and limb unselflishly to save other people that would make them a hero.
If they won a game against all odds that is not heroic it is doing their job just like any other employee. that would be like me being called a hero because I recovered data for a customer when everyone else had tried and was unsucsessful. can you see the stupidity in that scenario? well calling someone a hero for winning a game they are employed to play is just as stupid.

the worst thing about hero worshiping sportsmen is we seem to worship the most moronic , the ones who think they can play life by a different set of rules take Shane Warne as an example.

here here

oh and the list of all the Australian VC winners missed out
Ben Roberts-Smith VC

[shedcoupe]

Johnny Cash - the first big star to oppose the war in Vietnam.

Anybody who works in a nursing home.

[AUIIPURSUIT]

Not only every man and woman who died saving a country we love so much, but the people who also made it home, mentally and or physically traumitized so that we can live in peace.

I hang my head low in awe of feats achieved unattainable by most, yet done so by people just like us.

lest we forget.

[FGII-XR6]

Thanks for the addition there is also a name missing because he never received the VC he deserved due to a clerical error, John Simpson Kirkpatrick AKA Simpson with his donkey. A truly heroic man in the ANZAC tradition(I mentioned his name earlier but thought more detail was appropriate)

Originally Posted by fordomatic

here here

oh and the list of all the Australian VC winners missed out
Ben Roberts-Smith VC

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

If a sportsman risked life and limb unselflishly to save other people that would make them a hero.

so bearing in mind these people have different beliefs to us, a suicide bomber would be a hero then, because they have given their life for their people/beliefs

Originally Posted by au3xr6

If they won a game against all odds that is not heroic it is doing their job just like any other employee

most people in this country do not do their job properly in the first place. someone rising to the top level of any sport has sacrificed the things most people take for granted and so deserve some form of admiration (depending on other personality traits)



i do agree with your point on making heroes of undeserving people - however everyone has the right to choose a personal hero based on who inspires them and if it happens to be a sportstar or whatever, then so be it

[AUIIPURSUIT]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

most people in this country do not do their job properly in the first place. someone rising to the top level of any sport has sacrificed the things most people take for granted and so deserve some form of admiration (depending on other personality traits)

sports stars in sporting arenas are idols, not heroes. Heroes are ordinary people doing extraordinary things.

[NAFairlane]

Originally Posted by AUIIPURSUIT

sports stars in sporting arenas are idols, not heroes. Heroes are ordinary people doing extraordinary things.

As said by someone earlier, i didnt word the original question all that well, it should have been more generic including idol's mentor etc etc
Also, everyone has a different view on who is a hero and what being a hero means.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by AUIIPURSUIT

sports stars in sporting arenas are idols, not heroes. Heroes are ordinary people doing extraordinary things.

like little timmy o'toole who was a hero because he fell down a well - no thanx, i will choose my own. and everyone else can choose theirs

[zdcol71]

My Dad...(I feel for anyone who doesn't think their Dad is a hero)
My Mum...(for putting up with someone I think is a Hero)
My last partner.. who put up with me for so long
My younger brother who lived his dream and is still doing it!!
And my youngest brother who never had the chance to live his dream ,but, I'm sure ,would have done so, given half a chance.

[AUIIPURSUIT]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

like little timmy o'toole who was a hero because he fell down a well - no thanx, i will choose my own. and everyone else can choose theirs

what the hell? when did i say someone being accident prone makes them a hero.

keep you lassie/simpsons reminiscing to yourself.

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

so bearing in mind these people have different beliefs to us, a suicide bomber would be a hero then, because they have given their life for their people/beliefs

no A suicide bomber takes life where the risk a hero takes is to prevent death or injury to others so the tag of hero can never really apply to terrorist

It's fair enough to admire a sportsman for their acheivements but this is still not a heroic selfless act. They guys are doing it either for lots of money or the potential to make lots of money in the future this is not an act of self sacrifice it is a commercial venture.
I don't have an issue with the admiration of sportsmen but calling them heros only degrades the term , hero should be reserved for the likes of our VC recipients and people who risk life and limb to save others

[NAFairlane]

so many personality clashes on fordforums these days...........seem's like every thread becomes an argument.

this will cheer you all up :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A08D4...eature=feedlik

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

no A suicide bomber takes life where the risk a hero takes is to prevent death or injury to others so the tag of hero can never really apply to terrorist

they are considered heroes in their own country - or are those people like me; not worthy of choosing our own heroes. it is amazing though - the people you consider heroes were fighting a war to protect our freedom; and yet you wish to take away people's freedom to choose their own heroes. doesn't really make much sense to me

you worship who you want, and i will worship who i want - and if you read my first post in this thread, you will see that my list includes the people from yours - it is just a little broader to reflect my own personal tastes and views

[terra australis]

Originally Posted by NAFairlane

so many personality clashes on fordforums these days...........seem's like every thread becomes an argument.

this will cheer you all up :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A08D4...eature=feedlik

Thanks NAFairlane defeinately a great way to start the day.

[BENT_8]

Good to see idols added to the thread title.

Im going with Guy Sebastian

[prydey]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Good to see idols added to the thread title.

yep, too many people who couldn't see the context or meaning of the OP and got all caught up on one word.

[Road Games]

John Force ...

[FTE72]

My old man, just because he did not choke me as a child when others would have

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Good to see idols added to the thread title.

Im going with Guy Sebastian

now we're talken

[XR Davo]

Paul Newman

[castellan]

The Devil he is the biggest idol of all.


Hero! Ty Cobb. a man who is idealised for possessing superior qualities in any field.

[NAFairlane]

Thanks for altering the name of the thread mod's good call.

[Ralliart]

My List

SportsMen/Ladies
Stone Cold
The Rock
The Undertaker
Tripple H
Frank Lampad
Craig Landes
James Hird
more to add but will take too long

CFA

My Girlfriend - my loving girlfriend for teaching me everything ever since i met her,

[Bucknaked]

Originally Posted by NAFairlane

so many personality clashes on fordforums these days...........seem's like every thread becomes an argument.

this will cheer you all up :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A08D4...eature=feedlik

Took me a few minutes to get use to his accent. Very funny. Sheep joke was pretty funny

[AUIIPURSUIT]

Originally Posted by Ralliart

My Girlfriend - my loving girlfriend for teaching me everything ever since i met her,