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"buyers are moving into light-duty SUVs and small cars"
.....you mean like the Kuga and Focus which was supposed to be built here, schmuckos. As for the wagon.. I would be in a FG XR instead of my Sportwagon if it exisited. I could see a full range approaching almost 50% of Falcons - like the Holden. As for keeping the BFIII, it would have been good to see an extra 400 a month. Rear camera and EcoLPI would make it a fleet and government favourite and with absolutely no competition from anyone. |
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I'm afraid that this is only the beginning of the bad news,
delaying the decision on the next product cycle until early next year is strategically important for several reasons: 1) To see if new Terry, EcoLPI and Ecoboost stabilize sales 2) To determine if permanent die back in Falcon numbers are occurring 3) To see whether Ford's imported vehicles continue to grow sales Ford swears Mondeo is a different sector to Falcon,they're lying and Mondeo S/W replacing Falcon S/W proves it. By later this year I expect that Mondeo Ecoboost will be gouging into Falcon sales by offering almost as much room as the FG but with superior fuel economy and a bargain price to boot. Once upon a time, Ford would have never let such a provocative car go in front of one of their potential lifeline vehicles, I think there's been a fundamental shift in the corridors of FoA, the allegiances seem to have shifted with the tide of public opinion, if no one is buying your product, then you better change with the times or find another occupation... Last edited by jpd80; 14-04-2011 at 04:59 PM. |
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Its actually not that much steel. 400T is naff all in comparison to how much they buy. Holden did the same thing at the end of VZ, they sold nearly 10,000 Tonne though.
Its probably old coil grade's no longer used for older models . The **** end has also fallen out of the spares market, we've halved our sales of Holden and Toyota panels in 2.5 years. |
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Thats a lot of steel for sale??? why?? Falcon going??????
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The falcon is not going anywhere for the next 3-4 years unless the sales continue to fall for the rest of the year, seriously people the sky is not falling...its just a bit cloudy. edit: actually even if sales do fall I would think FoA would run manufacturing until a decision was made.
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Ford caused their own problems, then they go and blame the market, too little, too late.
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just a small sample whats for sale, helluva alot more than 400tonnes. Description Closes Price
1 x 810 kg steel coil, Hot Rolled High Strength Steel (Type A Asset) Lot No: 0001-570142 Quantity: 1 19/04/2011 4.45 PM AEST AU$9 (1 bids) BID NOW 1 x 472 kg steel coil, Hot Rolled High Strength Steel (Type A Asset) Lot No: 0002-570142 Quantity: 1 19/04/2011 4.45 PM AEST AU$9 (1 bids) BID NOW 1 x 130 kg steel coil, Hot Rolled High Strength Steel (Type A Asset) Lot No: 0003-570142 Quantity: 1 19/04/2011 4.45 PM AEST AU$9 (1 bids) BID NOW 1 x 1400 kg steel coil, Hot Rolled High Strength Steel (Type A Asset) Lot No: 0004-570142 Quantity: 1 19/04/2011 4.45 PM AEST AU$109 (2 bids) BID NOW 1 x 4830 kg steel coil, General purpose (Type A Asset) Lot No: 0005-570142 Quantity: 1 19/04/2011 4.45 PM AEST AU$209 (2 bids) BID NOW 1 x 7630 kg steel coil, General purpose (Type A Asset) Lot No: 0006-570142 Quantity: 1 19/04/2011 4.45 PM AEST AU$409 (3 bids) BID NOW 1 x 7450 kg steel coil, Hot rolled draw (Type A Asset) Lot No: 0007-570142 Quantity: 1 19/04/2011 4.45 PM AEST AU$209 (2 bids) BID NOW 1 x 7290 kg steel coil, Hot rolled draw (Type A Asset) Lot No: 0008-570142 Quantity: 1 19/04/2011 4.45 PM AEST AU$209 (2 bids) BID NOW 1 x 8160 kg steel coil, Hot rolled draw (Type A Asset) Lot No: 0009-570142 Quantity: 1 19/04/2011 4.45 PM AEST AU$209 (2 bids) BID and theres alot more..I love the Falcon..but times are worrying for Falcons future.Ford need to be more pro-active on selling the car. Give dealers and service departments a big kick up the axxxx. Marketing needs new managment etc.. We all know this..but FOA seems oblivious on whats needed to sell Falcon..Holden sells dunnydores..why isn't a great car like the Falcon, selling??????????
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Why would you bother copying and pasting that, the link was there, your usually the link master.
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This thread has gone from **** to LOL in 5 posts!
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400 tonne of steel is only 10 truck loads.. Its not a big amount. I would say they are contracted to use a certain amount and have too much laying around, or this steel is old BF stuff that was left over from the wagons.
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1 Tonne = 1000Kg's for those who are unaware.
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It works out to 200-220 cars. So one day's production. Big whoop, it's probably left over that they can't find a use for.
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I think we will see a copy of Mitsubishi over the coming years. Slowly reduce numbers and vehicle models, then its not much of a hit when the plant shuts. Product Development will stay for a while , proped up on govt money while the excuse people are not buying large cars (forget Ford are not building what people want) will be enought to justify the plant closure.
And to those who say Ford should keep it open, if it was your business what would you do (remember they are a US company and not Australian). Stay here with an out of date plant along with having to deal with issues arising from OHS, union, environmental etc or go to a state of the art plant with cheap labour that is becoming more and more educated and hungry for new vehicles? I not saying this is good, in fact I feel a great sadness from the demise of manufacturing in Australia and belive it will be the end of the middle class. But I think this is fact and the direction they are heading. |
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Reporter on C 9 News said they are not selling enough large cars like the FAIRLANE and the Territory.Where do they get their information from?
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Poor decisions like cutting the Wagon, Fairlane and XR8 is the reason. If they had these cars and had the brains to make them successful cars like they should be able to they wouldn't be in this position. There's still great demand for these cars everyday. I see a ton of WM Caprices, VE Sportwagons and VE SS.2's on the road.
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20% aint that much at work today (toyota) we found out their cutting production by 50%
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