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Huge shame the wagon was dropped, never really realised how useful trade tools they can be since owning the BA wagon. And it just goes to show by the amount of them I see driving around, bottoms dragging on the floor, ladders stacked on the roof with boots full of tools. Would have loved a FG wagon, liquid injected gas 6 speed auto. And to Ford, after owning a wagon there is no way in hell I would upgrade to a territory, different type of vehicle for what I need in my opinion.
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16-10-2011, 12:21 PM
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And still be as comfortable as a sedan....
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16-10-2011, 01:32 PM
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Don't know why the Terri is bi passed as a useful wagon alternative (or the Mondeo for that matter) especially if its for the C'dore wagon which IMO isn't a wagon at all, especially compared to what they were originally designed for. Might look good but is more of a sports hatch than a wagon which is useless as a true wagon. Just find it funny that so many here poo poo the Terri as an alternative especially when I would hazard a guess, they have not owned one. Many that do buy it do think it is a way better alternative to a wagon. I don't see it as being in the 4WD class ...... that belongs to anything with a low range gear and lockable hubbs for starter. Not considering a Territory 'just because' is a bit naive ..... The alternative would have been ..... make an FG wagon and drop the Terri? If I was Ford I definitely wouldn't be doing that. If there was people buying enough of them in the first place (NEW!!!!!) ...... well they would still be around wouldn't they?
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16-10-2011, 02:09 PM
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In saying that I am lead to believe the new ranger is much better for comfort. Quote:
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16-10-2011, 01:06 PM
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It is big enough, goes well enough, is cheap enough and already exists. |
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16-10-2011, 01:23 PM
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bogans like me still yearn for a grunty RWD wagon..... |
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16-10-2011, 01:40 PM
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I do like what Holden have done with their wagon, I wouldnt buy one but I applaud their decision. Thats the difference between the companies currently, Holden to date have had the guts to go with what they think the consumers want. As for Fords situation, do fleets get good deals on the TDi TX? I assume thats what most would be looking at. |
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16-10-2011, 01:58 PM
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Yes but bogans seldom buy new cars and that is all Ford make. |
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16-10-2011, 12:06 PM
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JPD has floated the idea of a Falcon hatch in a couple of threads.
RWD platform with (perhaps poked and prodded) Mondeo top hat, ala what Holden used to do before VE. |
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wow i think that wagon on its guts with the nice shoes would come up real nice, id own one if they did a xr8 version
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16-10-2011, 02:25 PM
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in my opinion, the downfall was the choice of auto only na or gas 6 cylnders. what about an xr6 turbo model or an xr8 then i would of bought one. and a 6 seater option like the au would of been good.
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16-10-2011, 04:08 PM
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Maybe something like this:
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16-10-2011, 05:41 PM
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Mondeo wagon is pretty good, but I prefer the look of the Mazda 6 wagon, looks much more sleek.
Who cares if its FWD, its a damn wagon, its not like you're going to attempt burnouts and going sideways with a 55" TV in the back are you? Also you wouldn't be able to load it up with enough weight to impact its ability to be able to move either, hell we towed a load of bricks on a 6X4 behind dad's Mazda 323 and apart from struggling to pick up speed, it eventually got to 100km/h and we didn't have any issues going up hills "because its a FWD", its not like it was pulling the front wheels off the ground. You just had to plan and drop back a gear or two and thats in a 70 odd KW petrol 4 cylinder and plan your braking well ahead. |
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16-10-2011, 05:47 PM
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16-10-2011, 05:51 PM
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So i suspect the demand for "big cubed manual RWD" wagons would be rather minuscule... How many Maunal Estate Clubsports have HSV sold? |
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16-10-2011, 05:55 PM
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and it appears a lot of others like the sports wagon thing........ 
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16-10-2011, 06:01 PM
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it would of been nice to see a xr6 turbo fg wagon, i work for ford an it was a little dissapointing not to see that any fg wagons would be built.
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16-10-2011, 06:02 PM
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big cube + manual + wagon...
sad as it sounds.. but where do i sign...... |
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16-10-2011, 06:19 PM
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Ford made V8 manual wagons and sold bugger all most were 6 cyl autos. They dropped the manual and still sold bugger all most were 6 cyl autos. They made a Territory and found that most private wagon buyers now bought that over wagon leaving wagon as a fleet vehicle. They made a turbo Terry and it sold bugger all. They made a FPV Terry and it sold bugger all. They made a diesel Terry and it is selling well. Nett result: Ford have discovered that their wagon BUYERS (as opposed to dreamers) want a basic reasonably able vehicle that is capable of carrying 5-7 people and a bit of luggage in comfort and safety while returning a reasonable operating cost. V8, performance, manual and bling have all been abject failures, PROVEN not suspected. Yes Holden make a V8 wagon which sells well to Holden buyers. The fantasy some hold that Holden buyers are actually just frustrated Ford buyers who would come back from the dark side if Ford made the right vehicle ranks up with the tooth fairy, easter bunny and carbon tax. The fastest HSV is slower than the slowest FPV so all HSV buyers must want to trade....gotta be true. The last point here is that BA/BF wagons are available for peanuts. A BA/BF wagon is just a ute with glass tray welded on so all the BOSS bits from a XR8/Pursuit, 3 valve 5.4 bits and turbo 6 bits and manual gearboxes can all be fitted. So where are all the V8/T6 manual/ZF custom wagons? Surely here on AFF where even the most outlandish conversions (s/c 4.6 alloy in AU for example) take place I have NEVER even heard of one being made. FTG made a F6 wagon a while ago and showed it at the FPV day back in 2005 with the idea of possibly doing a run of them. They were well priced and looked pretty good but they had difficulty selling the first one let alone any more. And really......all the V8/T6/XR wagon protagonists..... What do you currently drive? A Ford vehicle you bought new? A wagon you bought new? A car of any sort whatsoever you bought new? Ford are not interested in the slightest in anything except new car sales so if you are not a new car buyer why would they even remotely care what you want them to build? On the other hand if you ARE truly interested then buy a Holden and write to Ford complaining. If enough people actually buy V8 wagons and complain to Ford then maybe they will listen.....or maybe not. |
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16-10-2011, 06:22 PM
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Make sure you include the VIN of the Holden wagon you were forced to buy. (It will be on the receipt). Or you can just complain and have your email filed with the GTHO/Coupe/2011 Clevo/V8 Terry/IRS ute/V10 emails. |
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show of hands all the people that have bought a new ford wagon in the last 10yrs. 'if they build it, i will buy one' doesn't count.
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One interesting point here is the belief by some that because another marque makes a model then if Ford made one too they would take all the sales. Toyota have a huge market share with Aurion/Camry. Maybe Ford should make Falcon be a FWD V6 then all the Toyota buyers would but Falcon instead. It would also take all the Commodore buyers who really want a FWD but Holden just will not make one. That would give them a greater market share than everyone else....... You know it makes sense....it is on the internet.....
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True.. The HSV wagon hasn't sold that well, but the SS/SSV has proved there is a market there between 40-55K for a Familiy Wagon Monday to Friday and a "Dads Toy" Weekender in one.
It all matters little in the end, Ford look set to not be making a XR8 let alone a wagon. |
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Ford build nothing that come close... NOTHING... i will go elsewhere....
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