Proof that people are losing the plot

[Streets]

How about all those tests that demonstrate that distraction is equivalent to certain blood alcohol levels when it comes to reaction time and awareness. I don't think you'd let a drink driver off the hook as long as he didn't have a crash.

[H.G]

before everyone had navman or goggle maps on their phones.. I would read the referdex the very same way.

[flappist]

But hang on.

Was it a Melways she was reading?
Was it the operating manual of the vehicle?
If it was would that be ok?

How many superheroes have rabbited on about how Melways is so much safer than satnav.........

And yes this is a bit of sarcasm although I use to freak out passengers in my Seneca by covering the windows with charts when I was flying into the sun in the early morning or late afternoon and telling them I was lost and needed to closely look at all of them at one........

[Poorboy_racer]

Riding my motorbike once along the Kwinana freeway looked down into a car I was passing and noticed a guy with a full cooked sunday lunch on his lap. Driving along tucking into his meat and two veg

[Full Noise]

I’ve seen a lot worse than this. It’s amazing what makes the news these days.

[noflac52]

Ugg
You have a licence so you should be fully conversant with the laws that pertain to driving.
Take the time to look up the rule yourself. It seems that you have a way to go before you are a competent driver who knows the road rules, if you are serious about your statements.

[irish2]

Originally Posted by Poorboy_racer

Riding my motorbike once along the Kwinana freeway looked down into a car I was passing and noticed a guy with a full cooked sunday lunch on his lap. Driving along tucking into his meat and two veg

Which meat and two veg was he into?

[Barnaby]

Everyone should do a whip-around and get her an Ipod & an Audible account.

I will be interested to see what the people in this thread will be saying in a few years when Autonomous driven vehicles show up on the scene.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by Ugg

I know about mobile phone laws...but can someone show me the law that she is breaking?

I'm pretty sure that consulting for example a street directory while driving isn't against any SPECIFIC law.

Not being in full control of a vehicle?

I think that's a bit precious...did she crash?

Nope.

Did the person who took the photograph mention any erratic driving?

Nope.

I better not have the radio on else my mind might wander and I might crash?


FFS what a load of crock !

Putting all rules aside for a moment, I'd love to know if you would still have the same feelings towards her or any driver for that matter if they rear ended you ?.

Better still keep in mind what the 1'st thought that would come to your head about the driver if and when one day you are rear ended.

[FGII-XR6]

that pic looks like it was taken from the passenger seat

Originally Posted by Mickxr8

And just how did `bruce` manage to take this pic ? , assuming he was the driver , might take a few tics to aim and click ?? , enough time to make him as daft as the person next to him ( sighs )

[zilo]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Putting all rules aside for a moment, I'd love to know if you would still have the same feelings towards her or any driver for that matter if they rear ended you ?.

Better still keep in mind what the 1'st thought that would come to your head about the driver if and when one day you are rear ended.

Very touching metaphor mate.

But fact is she didn't rear end anyone, and she didn't break any laws.

Period.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by noflac52

Ugg
You have a licence so you should be fully conversant with the laws that pertain to driving.
Take the time to look up the rule yourself. It seems that you have a way to go before you are a competent driver who knows the road rules, if you are serious about your statements.

so....enlighten everyone here with your road rule knowledge.

Any australian state you like...what law did she break?

[zilo]

Originally Posted by Poorboy_racer

Riding my motorbike once along the Kwinana freeway looked down into a car I was passing and noticed a guy with a full cooked sunday lunch on his lap. Driving along tucking into his meat and two veg

According to some you were distracted and should have been watching the road ahead instead of taking an inventory of his dinner plate to the side of you. may as well have been reading a book ?

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Ugg

so....enlighten everyone here with your road rule knowledge.

Any Australian state you like...what law did she break?

QLD, Driving without due care and attention, 3 points and between $300 and $4000 fine depending on the result of your action.

http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LE...icA49_03A_.pdf

Section 17 on page 60.

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by Ugg

so....enlighten everyone here with your road rule knowledge.

Any australian state you like...what law did she break?

Please tell me you are not serious.

And by the way, reading a map book while driving is illegal and dangerous. Just because people used to do it does not make it safe or legal.

As for the "he did not hit anyone", road laws are in essence preventative not reactionary.



Everyone who does not see the offence in regards to law and the stupidity of the actions of that driver please proceed to your nearest police station (by foot thanks) and hand in your license.

People like that keep me gainfully employed.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by Ugg

so....enlighten everyone here with your road rule knowledge.

Any australian state you like...what law did she break?

Are you sure that you’re not a lawyer? If you’re not already one, perhaps you should look into it. With comments like yours, you’d be a millionaire in no time.

Considering that she’s in Victoria, it would fall under the offence of careless driving. If she was involved in an accident and a witness was prepared to make a statement as such, or if the police believe that the charge would stick, she would also cop the added bonus of failure to maintain proper control of a vehicle.

Have a read of this.

http://www.lawhandbook.org.au/handbo...hp#Ch91Se53922

[302 XC]

Ah,some picture taken by some real life hero who has never done anything wrong in his driving life .....
Gimme a break
People in glass houses shouldnt throw stones ...
We have all done something at least once in our driving life, wether it was a split second distraction,play with the air con knobs, flick a tune or two on the tune box,turn and face the missus or someone else while talking
I doubt there is anyone who gets in their car and concentrates 100 % on driving
Yes the sheila reading is doin wrong, but isnt the person whos driving the other car worried about the reader than his driving ....
Yep,so he could get fined for undue care whilst driving

Small minds do small things, people with smaller minds look on

[NAK302]

Originally Posted by GT-0733

people are idiots no matter which way you look.

i still stand by this statement based on reading some of the posts in this thread

[DanielXR8]

Originally Posted by Ugg

She's driving at the speed limit, keeping in the left lane ...what more do people want?

She's a better behaved driver than most on the Monash.

And she's not breaking any laws.

Some people should get off their high horses.

I am not sure if you are being real or you think you are being funny??

[Stagg]

This could turn into a forum war, however I'm less worried about the fact of the matter being whether it is breaking the law reading a book or not while driving, and more on the fact that it really is common sense to not read a book while driving at 100km/h. Is that something that everyone would agree?

Look if I was driving (let alone on my motorbike) and I saw someone reading a book while driving I would sure as hell get out of the way of them because they would be putting my life in danger, simple as that

[Gabbs]

I've seen worse. The other week coming down roe hwy was going past a car where I thought he had his arm out the window. Get closer and its his right foot, as I go past have a quick look and its both feet on the dash, smoking a fag and steering with one hand. Txting on the phone is done by a lot of drivers now, its very obvious when there head is looking down and the lights go green and they take a couple of seconds to actually move.

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by 302 XC

Ah,some picture taken by some real life hero who has never done anything wrong in his driving life .....
Gimme a break
People in glass houses shouldnt throw stones ...
We have all done something at least once in our driving life, wether it was a split second distraction,play with the air con knobs, flick a tune or two on the tune box,turn and face the missus or someone else while talking
I doubt there is anyone who gets in their car and concentrates 100 % on driving
Yes the sheila reading is doin wrong, but isnt the person whos driving the other car worried about the reader than his driving ....
Yep,so he could get fined for undue care whilst driving

Small minds do small things, people with smaller minds look on

And acceptance allows the behaviour to continue.

[Agent86]

Originally Posted by MAD

Why did the XY get so sideways?
A rear brake lockup shouldn't cause that much of a trajectory change, maybe a dodgy brake upgrade/repair and incorrect brake bias.

Originally Posted by Ugg

Very touching metaphor mate.

But fact is she didn't rear end anyone, and she didn't break any laws.

Period.

Driving without due care and attention, failure to maintain full control of a motorvehicle.
There are also laws pertaining to distracted driving, although i do not remember what they are.

It is illegal do drink and drive, eat and drive, and any one of a number of other menial things that are classified as distractions, meaning the attention component of due care and attention.

If you need it spelled out in bullet point form, you are either trolling or part of the problem.

I need a dash cam for the trucks. The sheer amount of lunacy i witness daily has to be seen to be believed.

[noflac52]

The lady reading was breaking the law as well as not giving a stuff about the well being of those around her and according to some posts the photo taker was breaking the law. This is supposition by the posters and it was done because he does give a stuff about those around him on the road and its a fair bet that in some way they both knew what they were doing could be construed as wrong.

Then we have Ugg who doesn't know that either of them may be breaking the law and doesn't give a stuff but wants everyone on the forum to find the road rules for him rather than look them up himself and when it has been pointed out by many posters that a law has been broken still maintains that it is all ok.
I suppose that if he doesn't look it up himself he can still delude himself that he is right rather than prove to himself that he is wrong so that maybe he can keep driving in that manner himself.

I can't see any other reason for not looking it up!

[zilo]

Originally Posted by flappist

QLD, Driving without due care and attention, 3 points and between $300 and $4000 fine depending on the result of your action.

http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LE...icA49_03A_.pdf

Section 17 on page 60.

Thanks for that...couple of problems with that link

(a) It's dated 1949.....
(b) It doesn't mention that reading a page of a book falls into that definition


If she had a collision etc and the officer at the scene questioned her and she said something like.."I just took my eyes off the road for a few seconds to look at the street directory"...then she might have a problem.

But for now I am certain there is no prospect of a conviction and that is all that a police sergeant would be interested in.

About all that is certain is that she may have failed the common sense test.

To all my good friends above please try to refrain from personal attacks.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Are you sure that you’re not a lawyer? If you’re not already one, perhaps you should look into it. With comments like yours, you’d be a millionaire in no time.

Considering that she’s in Victoria, it would fall under the offence of careless driving. If she was involved in an accident and a witness was prepared to make a statement as such, or if the police believe that the charge would stick, she would also cop the added bonus of failure to maintain proper control of a vehicle.

Have a read of this.

http://www.lawhandbook.org.au/handbo...hp#Ch91Se53922

You have demonstrated my point perfectly.
Your examples rely on a charge after a collision, or excessive speed.

She had no collision, was on the speed limit, therefore your examples are irrelevant.

[greenfoam]

I see people reading and even writing in their cars every time I get on a bus in and around Melbourne on the freeways. Nothing uncommon in Melbourne

[JC]

Originally Posted by Ugg

You have demonstrated my point perfectly.
Your examples rely on a charge after a collision, or excessive speed.

She had no collision, was on the speed limit, therefore your examples are irrelevant.

So rather than enforce a law that is designed to prevent events occurring that may lead to injury and death, you're more than happy to let people do what they want, and only charge them with an offence if injury or death result from their behaviour? Seriously?

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Ugg

Thanks for that...couple of problems with that link

(a) It's dated 1949.....
(b) It doesn't mention that reading a page of a book falls into that definition


If she had a collision etc and the officer at the scene questioned her and she said something like.."I just took my eyes off the road for a few seconds to look at the street directory"...then she might have a problem.

But for now I am certain there is no prospect of a conviction and that is all that a police sergeant would be interested in.

About all that is certain is that she may have failed the common sense test.

To all my good friends above please try to refrain from personal attacks.

No actually I checked with a friend who is 2IC of the traffic branch in our region and has 25 years of experience. He pointed me to the legislation and has personally successfully charged many drivers for doing exactly what appears in the pic.

[flappist]

Ok, to everyone:

Keep it on topic and not personal.