"It's only a Falcon".

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by 302 XC

Two sides to that ,how long does it realistically take to sell private ???

This...


If you see a good bargin on the lost, its better just to trade. Otherwise you have either a car that you still need to insure, rego, fuel etc while it sells, and the initial outlay when buying.


Missus traded in a lancer for a mondeo...got 3grand for the lancer, and we got the mondeo for 10 grand (awesome given that it was in the yard for 17grand a few months before).


Said lancer was then on the lot for 8grand

[FacultY]

You can also buy a 2012 Demo Ecoboost G6E from 31 990 so expecting 30 grand for a 2010 with much higher kms is a hard ask. There wasnt as much extra kit in the g6e50 as opposed to the xr50. If the dealer buys yours for 20k after and puts it up for 25/26k after all the fees and risk they arent making much anyways.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

"It's only a Falcon"...

Anyone tried lately to trade in a Falcon of any sort, from lowest model to G6E's? You'll hear those words a lot. We've been looking around car yards at new four wheel drives, and when the crunch comes and we want a rough idea of the trade in value of our immaculate 50th Anniversary G6E purchased two years ago next month, we get ludicrously low trade in values...down around the $20,000 mark. Even, according to valuation websites and advertisements I've checked out online, if we sold it privately, we could only expect maybe $25,000 to possibly...just...$30,000, on a car which, with it's options, was worth $54,000 when we bought it.

The problem as I see it is brand perception by the public...since Ford stupidly did away with the proper names for the higher models (Fairmont, Fairmont Ghia), they're all now "just Falcons" in the eyes of buyers and dealers, and that gives them an advantage come sale or trade in time.
Try and negotiate a higher price, or say it has to be worth more, and you will get scoffed at and hear words more or less along the lines of "Come on mate...it's only a Falcon".

Gets a bit annoying...but what do you do? They're right...top of the line or bare bones base model...they're all "just Falcons" now...well done, Ford...by trying to be trendy and doing away with instantly recognisable name plates that immediately brand a model and let you know it's place in the line up, you've buggered people when it comes to resale time.

Anyone else heard those words from a salesman or private buyer...?

Missed that bit.

Did you pay $54,000 for a G6E or G6ET?

And if so was that the principle or the total including interest?

[mcnews]

If you buy new cars and are not either;

a) stupidly rich so you can just throw away the depreciation without a care

b) can tax offset the depreciation etc.

Then in my opinion you must have rocks in your head.

It is painful enough even when you can write off the depreciation let alone as a private buyer.

I swore I would never buy a new car but then they bought out a turbocharged Falcon ute and I was hooked into the silly new car game...

But if you think Ford depreciation is bad buy Audi or higher end VW etc. and see how you go :-)

[MercurySilver]

seriously did you expect to get a decent change over price???
we bought our G6ET second hand with 54000km on it, we got it for a cost of 17000 change over on our BA XR8 ute

the G6E turbo was a $54000 car we effectively got it for around $29000, so within two years its dropped that much
thats the reason we didnt buy new
why would you?? unless money isnt a problem and you dont care about paying 50 odd grand for a car only to have it drop 15 grand in value in two years

ill buy a brand new spanker....when i win the lotto

[XBROO]

Yeah unless it's a classic car I don't sell private either. About a year and a half ago I bought a 2010 Navara and they give me 10k for my 2003 XR6 which I thought wasn't that bad. They sold my XR6 two day later for 13k, ok so they got 3k extra for it, big deal. I didn't have to get a RWC or have strangers over my place snoping around.

[mcnews]

Originally Posted by XBROO

Yeah unless it's a classic car I don't sell private either. About a year and a half ago I bought a 2010 Navara and they give me 10k for my 2003 XR6 which I thought wasn't that bad. They sold my XR6 two day later for 13k, ok so they got 3k extra for it, big deal. I didn't have to get a RWC or have strangers over my place snoping around.

Dealer also paid $1300 of that 13k to guvmint.

[EB#]

Car dealers aim to buy low and sell high.
That's it.

[ZGM86]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Problem is with a private sale is dealing with people, with a trade in you get less money but they take your car off you at the end of the day.

This +1

I have had so many tossers ring up and try to heavily undercut me on the price without even looking at the car first (am selling my EL XR6 at the moment). Yes the price is negotiable, but at least check the car out first! It's pretty rude if you ask me, I would never have the nerve to negotiate the price before having even laid eyes on the car yet.

The most recent guy who came to look at it dropped the "it's just a Falcon" line, trying to say he'd only be willing to pay half of what I'm asking, as that's how much GLi's are going for. Bugger off and buy a GLi then, it won't be as nice to drive or as much of a headturner as my XR6! So many tyre-kicking idiots who aren't afraid to insult you out there.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by mcnews

If you buy new cars and are not either;

a) stupidly rich so you can just throw away the depreciation without a care

b) can tax offset the depreciation etc.

Then in my opinion you must have rocks in your head.

It is painful enough even when you can write off the depreciation let alone as a private buyer.

I swore I would never buy a new car but then they bought out a turbocharged Falcon ute and I was hooked into the silly new car game...

But if you think Ford depreciation is bad buy Audi or higher end VW etc. and see how you go :-)

Agree 1000%

Bought the Mrs a BMW cos thats what she wanted (Ford=Divorce after having so many)

Paid under 10k for a 150,000k car worth $65,000 8 years ago through a car yard with warranty. They made a profit on that so just imagine the trade in price???? When the buyer of second hand cars you can be the winner if pick the right ones. Near on 12 months and so far so good.

No one should complain about resale on trade in ...... it has been and will always be a very well discussed topic, should be included in setting your budget and if anyone cannot afford the depreciation they shouldn't have bought new in the first place. Comes with the territory.

[xtremerus]

Originally Posted by mcnews

Dealer also paid $1300 of that 13k to guvmint.

Plus they have to give a warranty with car.

[dimka100]

Seems that most people on here prefer a trade-in instead of selling privately … oh well I personally enjoy getting more for my car than less.

My previous FG XR6 (owned since new) I sold for 5K more than dealer trade in.

And the BFII XR6 before than (owned since new) I sold for 4K more than dealer trade in.

So if that’s no money to people then I guess you must all be rich

[FacultY]

Also the RRP of the G6E50th Anniversary was $47 950. Are you sure your not talking Turbo here?

[XBROO]

Originally Posted by ZGM86

This +1

I have had so many tossers ring up and try to heavily undercut me on the price without even looking at the car first (am selling my EL XR6 at the moment). Yes the price is negotiable, but at least check the car out first! It's pretty rude if you ask me, I would never have the nerve to negotiate the price before having even laid eyes on the car yet.

The most recent guy who came to look at it dropped the "it's just a Falcon" line, trying to say he'd only be willing to pay half of what I'm asking, as that's how much GLi's are going for. Bugger off and buy a GLi then, it won't be as nice to drive or as much of a headturner as my XR6! So many tyre-kicking idiots who aren't afraid to insult you out there.

Mate I do the same, because if they'll take it then I go for a look. If not and that's all I got then there's no use in looking.

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by dimka100

Mate not selling the car by yourself privately is just being effing lazy! Seriously even on a cheap car the difference between a trade in and a private sale is in the thousands ...

Wash and clean your car inside and out, take lots of pictures of the exterior and the interior, post a good detailed add on carsales, and take it from there ...

do this....its easier then dealing with blood suckers..thats a fact

[XBROO]

Originally Posted by dimka100

Seems that most people on here prefer a trade-in instead of selling privately … oh well I personally enjoy getting more for my car than less.

My previous FG XR6 (owned since new) I sold for 5K more than dealer trade in.

And the BFII XR6 before than (owned since new) I sold for 4K more than dealer trade in.

So if that’s no money to people then I guess you must all be rich

Well done to you mate but some people haven't got the time to deal, with phone calls. Also people that ring up and say there coming around and don't show. As well as getting the car roadworthy and strangers in your household. Or be carless for a period of time after you sell it to look for another one.

[superfly]

Don't forget that the Falcon range has never been known for its high resale values. You'll need to buy something else if you want better resale values.

Originally Posted by 302 XC

Two sides to that ,how long does it realistically take to sell private ???
How much is it gunna depreciate while it doesnt sell ???

In the past I've traded all my old cars usually getting reasonable coin for it. But my WRX was the first car I decided to sell privately. Trade in couldn't give a rats about how much extra stuff was on this car and would have offered around $8K (I paid $34K for it in 2000 with 11K on the clock 2 years old). I had people offer me $10-11K sight unseen for it but I turned them down. As I owned the car it wasn't costing me a lot to have it sitting around. Finally the right buyer came along, looked at it on a Friday and drove it away on the Tuesday. Got $13250K for it. Listed it at Christmas time (bad time to sell) sold it in March.

But I still see a lot of WRX listed for sale that have been for sale whilst mine was listed as well.

[ltd]

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what kind of car it is, the buyer and especially a car dealer will try to downplay whatever it is to ensure he pays the least amount of money for it. Surely people would have figured that out by now?

As Flappist said earlier; "it's only a <insert car type here>".

What you should always do is ask if it's the best they can do, then walk away.
Anything I've traded I've always walked away and got a phone call around 10 minutes later. You've got to give the salesman the opportunity to talk to his boss who would be wanting to move the stock. Also, make sure you go to the dealer in the last days of the month as that's when they're desperate for sales.
Finally, be realistic when you go for a trade in, and don't expect to get what you can from a private sale which can take up to 6 months to materialize.

[Buntz]

"It's only a Falcon" - This is common to most people I converse with... not just car salesman. Which is sad. These people have no clue it's just the bias they've been infected with. Most would admit it's a nice car if they rode in it or too it for a spin. Though it seems I would have to do that for every person I see.

The fact the salesman are saying it is nothing new... they try and screw you over on anything. When I was buying my Falcon, the dealer was praising the hallowed name. So Flappist is pretty spot on there.

[wrongwaynorris]

Originally Posted by mcnews

Dealer also paid $1300 of that 13k to guvmint.

And a load to cover possible warranty claims and its share of fixed overheads .

[wrongwaynorris]

Originally Posted by dimka100

Mate not selling the car by yourself privately is just being effing lazy! Seriously even on a cheap car the difference between a trade in and a private sale is in the thousands ...

Wash and clean your car inside and out, take lots of pictures of the exterior and the interior, post a good detailed add on carsales, and take it from there ...

Just effing lazy eh ? So the single girl / woman who does not want all unsundry knowing where she lives and that she is on her own is just effing lazy is she ? There are a multitude of reasons people choose to trade rather than sell themselves and many believe it or not are EXTREMELY Valid .

[Dash_XR]

Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

You'd be in the same position even if the car came with Fairmont Ghia badges. The badge isn't the problem, its the fact that sedans just aren't very popular anymore.

This.

Used falcons loose there exclusivity that you paid extra for when you bought it, meaning it doesn't matter if it's a top of the line model or an XT. They are all the same to the used car buyer.

Selling privately is extremely difficult now days with the sheer amount of tyre kickers and the new breed of time wasters that don't even bother calling or looking at the car they just text you ridiculously low offers then get angry when you tell them to get lost.

The extra 2 or 3 grand you might make to me is not worth all the hassle anymore. Unless your able to set your price and let it sit there for months and months till you get a reasonable offer I'd strongly think about trading.

This was my experience in 2012.

[Dr Smith]

Just to let you know I sold my 50,000km G6ET in mint condition for $26K just before Christmas. Didn't need a Rwc as the buyer was an interstater and I also got my insurance refunded and reg refunded adding another $1K. Got to say when Red Book valued it at $30K, you could say I gave it away, when you see where prices end up on Carsales when they finally sell, I really can't complain. It took 2 weeks and when my sell price got to the "right" level the enquiries came in. I don't think I would have got $22K as trade-in from a dealer for our SZ Terry Titanium diesel.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by FacultY

You can also buy a 2012 Demo Ecoboost G6E from 31 990 so expecting 30 grand for a 2010 with much higher kms is a hard ask. There wasnt as much extra kit in the g6e50 as opposed to the xr50. If the dealer buys yours for 20k after and puts it up for 25/26k after all the fees and risk they arent making much anyways.

WOW! Not a bad price at all!!! Be probably 35k on the road or less with negotiation as the G6E I got when they first came out was 50k on the knocker, albeit brand new ordered. That was with everything though and the fact you do pay a tad more on the release of a brand new model. Be worth diddly now in comparison

[302 XC]

Originally Posted by ZGM86

So many idiots out there.

Fixed .......
I wont even condemplate a conversation with a "Whats ya best price" over the phione
My blood curles when people wanna do deals with TXT messages

[Quasi]

Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

You'd be in the same position even if the car came with Fairmont Ghia badges. The badge isn't the problem, its the fact that sedans just aren't very popular anymore.

I think this could be said of any large car these days. Part of it is the sheep who pay attention to the advertising for 'European styled' wind up toys from Japan, Korea, and China. It gets drummed into people's heads so much that those who are incapable of thinking for themselves begin to believe that they must forsake anything other than what they are shown on TV.

[fanboi]

Just traded a car that originally cost me 105k for just under 30, I didnt cry or feel the need to go on forums to whinge about it as thats what it was worth and saved me the hassle of selling it.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

Just effing lazy eh ? So the single girl / woman who does not want all unsundry knowing where she lives and that she is on her own is just effing lazy is she ? There are a multitude of reasons people choose to trade rather than sell themselves and many believe it or not are EXTREMELY Valid .

Apart from that, how much more will you get?
$1,000?
$5,000?

So you keep the rego and insurance up to date, get a new roadworthy every month (they last 30 days), clean it over and over again, spend huge amounts of time waiting for phones and being available when you would normally be doing something else?
Fighting with the superheroes who want to pay the least amount of money possible (which you either take thereby invalidating the whole process or reject meaning you have still have the car but a lot less money).

Some people enjoy the whole game, others do not. And the amount of money you make in real terms is often less than if you just trade it and use the time to make money doing something else.

[pauljh74]

Originally Posted by 302 XC

Two sides to that ,how long does it realistically take to sell private ???
How much is it gunna depreciate while it doesnt sell ???
Most people dont care about a few grand less trade, or what the driveaway costs,its the payments and wether they can pay them or not
Most of the time,dealers sort out all the balance of finance,tho easy to do,but many people get cagy when you ask stuff like that,and if theres more money owning than the asking price, fianance companies wont release the car till the loan is cleared fully, so doin it private can become a nightmare
Usually IF the trade is less than the loan the yards add it into the new car somehow,move numbers to make it look good
I bet theres not many who paid 50 K for a car 3 years ago ,and have paid of the 20-25 grand its depreciated

I sold an EL XR6 in October for $4500. Took about 2-3 weeks before I had a buyer locked in, the first to see it. I had it advertised for $5500 the first week and got nothing except for an idiot who offered to swap for a '97 Ford Probe (why would I want another older car when I'm trying to get rid of one?), dropped it to $4950 and got a few calls. Had to turn away about 5 or 6 enquiries after taking a deposit. Sold an XE in 2000 to the 2nd person to view it for $2800. I got good money, but not top money for both as I was realistic about the value.

If I went via a Car Yard for the trade and subsequent purchase, I would have been offered $2000 for the trade and instead of $17k for the newer car, it would have been $19k-$20k. If I had the extra $4k to throw away, I would have bought a tip top example of the MY08 Mazda 3 SP23 with low kms instead of a fairly tidy example with average kms. I got what I paid for for $17k and am happy with it.

If the G6E is tidy, it will sell. When you check out a used car you want it clean, without too many nicks etc and good mechanical condition. A 2 year old car that hasn't been abused will tick all those boxes with ease. A good example won't last long on the market unless the seller is stupid about the price.

Check out other examples on Carsales and choose a price that will make you competitive - you'll still walk away with more than the trade in offer. You won't need to spend much on it for RWC etc.

[FTE-063]

sorry to hijack the thread but auslandau, if you don't mind me asking what model bmw did you get as i'm thinking getting one for a family car 2002 e39 540i but i'm not to sure about the runniing cost would it be on pare compare to the gt, pm if you like. cheers dean