Hypothetical-would Ford be in better position if it had FG wagon instead of Territory

[bazza1000]

csv8 thanks will look at the car in Adelaide I am in Brisbane. Just for info I got the car for $40680 plus towbar, mudflaps, dark tint to glass, dash mat, and carpets, Ford only supply one mat for the drivers side.Total $42269 on the road.
Gothefalcon I will probably wait it just annoys me that I should have been told no cars available before signing up for one, and then the phone call to say no can't have it.
Anyway rant over and thanks guys for the replies

Bazza

[naddis01]

I counted 4 brand new ts Territory's on carsales in the red. They might be a different spec to what you are after but worth a look.

[JG34JA]

OP: An FG wagon would not have sold more than Territory. Different vehicles for different niches, and perhaps the best move FOA has done in the last 15 years was developing the Territory.

That said, I bet they wish they had the extra 200-400 Falcon sales per month, even if they were just EcoLPi XT FG wagons... As GoTheFalcon said, what was the cost NOT to develop it?

[VICFPV]

If only we had an Ecoboost 4cyl wagon back then.
It would have sold in numbers to fleets and govt.
I think we now have a good engine to boost sales for it but it doesn't exist anymore.

Only reason that the taxi industry is going to Hybird Camrys is because the cost of LPG has gone up. Hybird made more sense.
Lpg costs have doubled. Back in the wagon days it was around 30 cents.Now it is 70 cents average.

I use my BA petrol wagon for delivery work and its great for it. But I want to upgrade but there is nothing to upgrade to apart from Hiace van. Which doesn't suit my needs.

The Terri and the wagon is 2 different markets.

My industry can't use SUVs as we can't park them in loading zones in NSW. Only Wagons,Utes,and trucks.

Bring back BF3 with ecoboost and ecolpi.

[arronm]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

As useless as a Ferrari would be. Might be wonderful for you. I am happy you are happy with it but Useless for me. I, as in me, do not need a Commodore Hatchback ..... do not need, like nor want. So please, don't get so precious.

Seriously though ..... of course VF is coming out in a sportswagon (as opposed to station wagon that has usable space) .... they don't have a Territory equivalent

What about Captiva, looks the same to me. Four wheel drive look alike , box on wheels.

[JG34JA]

Originally Posted by VICFPV

My industry can't use SUVs as we can't park them in loading zones in NSW. Only Wagons,Utes,and trucks.

That seems to be a very strange restriction, but really wouldn't suprise me in Australia in 2013.

[arronm]

Originally Posted by bazza1000

Hi, new to forum and only joined to check out peoples views of the territory. Having just had my xr6 stolen I thought a terry might be less stealable ( or not so popular to the crims ) so checked out all the views on this forum and decided on a new terry in emperor colour TS version and petrol powered 6 speed box. Basically the same as the facon in drivechain and colour.Off to Ford I go cash in hand and the nice salesman says yes I can have the car within two weeks, I had seen a thread on this forum warning you to put a clause in the contract enableing you to pull out if delivery date is not met so I mention this to him and he say's of course you can but there will be no problem but ok I will put it in so you are happy.I pay my deposit and off I go contract in hand and a very happy wife.NOW!!!! two days later the salesman rings me sorry sir no cars available except one in WA and it will cost you to much to transport over to QLD. Cost me I say is that not your problem, no of course not.So now I have the option to wait until its built approx. May30 and then a week or two to put the extras on or buy something else probably foreign like a santa fe. Now I thought in my stupidity that the car industry had too many cars and no buyers but I am obviously wrong. So people what would you do if you were me, bearing in mind my wife is ****ed off and I am getting a hard time over this. BAZZA

Like the others guys have said try and find a different car with the package you want. Dont settle for a different model, just because of the wait. It will be worth the wait and you may end up keeping the car for a long time,so may as well drive your 1st choice.

[Polyal]

If it wasnt for the Territory could you imagine the state of affairs in Geelong? Dodo.

[SumoDog68]

It does not matter that Terry would probably sell more than a FG wagon. There are buyers out there for both. Look at Audi ,BMW and Mercedes . They all have wagons and SUVs in pretty much every size you like. Want manual transmission on officially auto only 3 series wagon - no problem ,place an order and they will make one as a special order.
Manufacturers flexibility is a must these days.

[Polyal]

Sumo....the falcon will never be flexible until it ties in with something globally. Its always going to just keep its head above water.

[Resurrection]

Originally Posted by Polyal

If it wasnt for the Territory could you imagine the state of affairs in Geelong? Dodo.

A lot of the new Territorys are diesel and this engine does not come from Geelong.

[AUIIISR]

Im a rep and do a lot of KM's, I can also tell you that that in my industry everyone is now driving the sportswagon in SIDI or LPG (Ive counted 30+ in the last 6 months). the company I work for brought a few KIA 4WD's and suck the juice like mad. Previous to this they had the ford wagons (im still driving one of the last LPG ford wagons off the line) the last 6 cars they brought are LPG sportswagons and due to buy another 8 in the next 6 months...

I prefer the wagon I have atm because its generally loaded to the roof with gear, Ive tried to fit the same amount in a Sportswagon and Ive got no hope. I wish they did a LPG XR6 Wagon Id have one in a heartbeat, that not being the case Im now in negotiations with my boss to convince him that the Terri is what I need not a bloody wagon thats low to the ground and bumpy. One of the guys I work with does N/W NSW country and hates doing the country run in the Sportswagon he has now, far prefered the BF3 Wagon that he had.

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by AUIIISR

Im a rep and do a lot of KM's, I can also tell you that that in my industry everyone is now driving the sportswagon in SIDI or LPG (Ive counted 30+ in the last 6 months). the company I work for brought a few KIA 4WD's and suck the juice like mad. Previous to this they had the ford wagons (im still driving one of the last LPG ford wagons off the line) the last 6 cars they brought are LPG sportswagons and due to buy another 8 in the next 6 months...

I prefer the wagon I have atm because its generally loaded to the roof with gear, Ive tried to fit the same amount in a Sportswagon and Ive got no hope. I wish they did a LPG XR6 Wagon Id have one in a heartbeat, that not being the case Im now in negotiations with my boss to convince him that the Terri is what I need not a bloody wagon thats low to the ground and bumpy. One of the guys I work with does N/W NSW country and hates doing the country run in the Sportswagon he has now, far prefered the BF3 Wagon that he had.

He may be best ordering the Sportwagon with factory country pack, for $330 you get 25mm raised suspension and a sump guard, Telstra option it in all their Holden Sportwagons.

[mik]

I like both the terri and the falcon wagon,, my best mate has had falcon wagons for years, he bought a bf wagon with low k`s recently, it has better rear visibility than most modern sedans, very easy to load crap in the back and it`s on factory lpg, he does lots of country miles in it, it has the nice high profile tyres on it, it rides like a limo and crappy roads are not a problem, it`s a hard wearing easy to maintain cruiser.
Taking nothing away from the terri, people seem to love them, but i could have seen my self in a falcon wagon, it a little higher of the ground than the sporty sedans which makes it a little easier for exiting and entry for us old farts with deteriorating bones, i quite like lpg, but imagine an eco lpi v8 G8E wagon........... supercharged !! yeah baby.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

A lot of the new Territorys are diesel and this engine does not come from Geelong.

Im not to phased about one particular plant perse. There are more jobs behind the r&d and the rest of the channel if an entire platfom drops.

[falconnut]

in response to OP its hard to say.

I think if Ford started making more then just falcons over here it would be alot better for everyone.

Why not go back to building midsize and smaller cars?

[Gothefalcon]

Originally Posted by mik

I like both the terri and the falcon wagon,, my best mate has had falcon wagons for years, he bought a bf wagon with low k`s recently, it has better rear visibility than most modern sedans, very easy to load crap in the back and it`s on factory lpg, he does lots of country miles in it, it has the nice high profile tyres on it, it rides like a limo and crappy roads are not a problem, it`s a hard wearing easy to maintain cruiser.
Taking nothing away from the terri, people seem to love them, but i could have seen my self in a falcon wagon, it a little higher of the ground than the sporty sedans which makes it a little easier for exiting and entry for us old farts with deteriorating bones, i quite like lpg, but imagine an eco lpi v8 G8E wagon........... supercharged !! yeah baby.

Something like this ?

[Auslandau]

^^^^ Hope not!!!!

[Gothefalcon]

Originally Posted by AUIIISR

I wish they did a LPG XR6 Wagon Id have one in a heartbeat, that not being the case Im now in negotiations with my boss to convince him that the Terri is what I need not a bloody wagon thats low to the ground and bumpy. One of the guys I work with does N/W NSW country and hates doing the country run in the Sportswagon he has now, far prefered the BF3 Wagon that he had.

What if the BF3 came with an interior similar to this ? Do you think they would have sold a few more ? (or if the FG Wagon was optioned with it's more up-spec versions?)







This is my version of what Ford should have been offereing.... OK.. AWD might be more than most want... but at least it looks a bit better than a plain XT (IMO )



Dhru

[Gothefalcon]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

^^^^ Hope not!!!!

Ha ha ! Sorry... best I could do a short notice (& without photoshop ) But you get the idea !!
D

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Gothefalcon

Ha ha ! Sorry... best I could do a short notice (& without photoshop ) But you get the idea !!
D

When I do decide to leave this earth its how I want to be taken ...... or shoved into the boot of a GT

[Polyal]

The demise of the wagon I would have thought would have been brought on via the lack of sales for the lwb chassis and the cost to keep it competitive visually. Bf3 was a tired old girl but was/is a good work horse.

For me the wagon loses to the Tez in a few areas but the main one being 7 seats. But, I will resist going to a suv for as long as I can but you cnt deny how damn practical the Tez is.

Now, if Ford made something like below id be stoked!

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/d...k&sort=default

I think the last time ford made anything like that was a xc wagon with 351, in which you could get 7 seats and a manual aswell!

[arronm]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

When I do decide to leave this earth its how I want to be taken ...... or shoved into the boot of a GT

Probably delivered in a stretched Sportwagon hearse.

[WPR1]

Should have had both

[Gothefalcon]

Originally Posted by arronm

Probably delivered in a stretched Sportwagon hearse.

Or an unstretched Falcon Wagon (as there's more than enough room )

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by AUIIISR

Im a rep and do a lot of KM's, I can also tell you that that in my industry everyone is now driving the sportswagon in SIDI or LPG (Ive counted 30+ in the last 6 months). the company I work for brought a few KIA 4WD's and suck the juice like mad. Previous to this they had the ford wagons (im still driving one of the last LPG ford wagons off the line) the last 6 cars they brought are LPG sportswagons and due to buy another 8 in the next 6 months...

I prefer the wagon I have atm because its generally loaded to the roof with gear, Ive tried to fit the same amount in a Sportswagon and Ive got no hope. I wish they did a LPG XR6 Wagon Id have one in a heartbeat, that not being the case Im now in negotiations with my boss to convince him that the Terri is what I need not a bloody wagon thats low to the ground and bumpy. One of the guys I work with does N/W NSW country and hates doing the country run in the Sportswagon he has now, far prefered the BF3 Wagon that he had.

that's my biggest problem with the commodore sportswagon is the useless cargo space. the VZ had a bigger cargo area. I doubt a FG wagon would help sales. the wagon days are over as these people are going for SUVs nowdays. I just hope if there is another falcon wagon (highly unlikely). it wont be a sportswagon like holden have.

[falconnut]

Seriously why did ford stop making small medium cars over here?

[Mark351]

Would Ford be in a better position if it had a locally made dual-cab ute based on the Territory platform?

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by falconnut

Seriously why did ford stop making small medium cars over here?

Becuase they are made in asia for alot less..same goes for the current focus issue.

[kahless351]

Ford will be releasing the 7 seater Ranger Wagon soon, what does this mean to Territory if the price is comparable?