Cleveland Into EA - Page 2

LUXO_8 · 05-10-2005, 07:52 PM

you have to get that finished mate, such a shame / waste to see it that far completed and sitting idle!!!

eav8 · 06-10-2005, 08:30 AM

I thank you for the photos's. I agree with madnc_8 you should finish it, even if just to say you did it. Turbo 6's may be able to out perform my engine but then they're just not v8's ;) ...But then I have M/bike to get that extra rush if I feel the need.

I will be utilising as much typical clevo accessory parts as possible in my conversion.
The more information I have been receiving the more adamant I am to do this change. The current engine is a bit tired at 300,000 plus k's but more importantly the auto is even worse

Soon as I can sell coupe shell and some other parts I have listed on ebay I will start chasing more parts...(wrecked EB V8 shell for suspension and K frame)
my proposed conversion is;
engine and manual g/box as previously mentioned
EB V8 K frame (engine mounts sorted appropriately)
dual 2 or 21/2" exhaust with dual high flow cats and GOOOD straight through mufflers
LPG with higher than taxi spec fuel line capacity
Street style bug catcher (at legal height ) yeah mostly for looks.
All wiring and un-needed items hidden or removed.
Up rated suspension
V8 radiator
Drilled and slotted disks.
...and a few other tidy up items
I don't see this as all coming together in one go but will progress so long as I can get engine in and vehicle running reliably then I can add as I go.

eav8 · 07-10-2005, 05:25 PM

quick query...EA engine mounts appear the same connecting style as X series falcons. Would it be feasible to fit cleveland in using ea k frame and existing Clevo engine mounts, rather than changing to EB K frame?
Would this allow clearance with firewall??Still uprate to EB V8 front springs.
This would save a lot of mucking about if possible. Ideas ? opinions?
regards sean

Racecraft · 07-10-2005, 05:27 PM

yea they are the same.. i had my Clevo sitting on XE mounts when i first bolted it in

Racecraft · 07-10-2005, 05:33 PM

and that is onto a 6 potter EB K frame

XA-Coupe · 07-10-2005, 05:34 PM

hrrrrm, all very interesting. I am considering an EA 351C for a play car... rego of it won't be a concern.

LUXO_8 · 07-10-2005, 05:40 PM

i have been thinking about doing one for ages........ would make for an awesome burnout comp car....

XA-Coupe · 07-10-2005, 05:42 PM

If you don't want it regoed it would

LUXO_8 · 07-10-2005, 05:51 PM

re.go...

...whats that

Racecraft · 07-10-2005, 05:54 PM

something us Queenslanders can get easy if we dont fit Nitrous

EFFalcon · 07-10-2005, 05:56 PM

didnt u want a tow car tibbo

so fnish the clevo powered EB

ScoopED · 07-10-2005, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racecraft

yea they are the same.. i had my Clevo sitting on XE mounts when i first bolted it in

Hmmmmmmm,
I now know what my next project will be...... Clevo powered EA race car :evil_laug

Well, I suppose you can always dream.....

Try XY extractors, I THINK that they had a fairly narrow engine bay, or I may have my wires crossed (again).

Mike

XA-Coupe · 07-10-2005, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScoopED

Hmmmmmmm,
I now know what my next project will be...... Clevo powered EA race car :evil_laug

Well, I suppose you can always dream.....

Try XY extractors, I THINK that they had a fairly narrow engine bay, or I may have my wires crossed (again).

Mike

XYs do have a narrower engine bay than XA size.. but they didnt have a steering shaft in the way.

Anyone want to sell me an EA for 50 bucks ???

ScoopED · 07-10-2005, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XA Coupe

XYs do have a narrower engine bay than XA size.. but they didnt have a steering shaft in the way.

Anyone want to sell me an EA for 50 bucks ???

Ahhh, yes I thought so..... It is fairly simple to modify a set of off the shelf extractors. As long as the whole thing doesent need to be re-made. In that case, obviously a custom system would be cheaper.

EAV8: "Street style bug catcher (at legal height ) yeah mostly for looks"
Just be careful there, the following was taken directly from the Queensland department of transport Modification handbook.....

• The edges at the front of a scoop/projection shall be
rounded with a minimum of 10mm radius.
• All other edges and corners shall have a radius of not
less than 5mm and be designed to reduce the risk of
bodily injury to any person to a minimum.
• The scoop/projection must not have reflective surfaces.
• Any holes in the bonnet must not substantially reduce
the strength or impact resistance of the bonnet.
• Air cleaners or carburettors must not protrude
beyond the original bonnet profile unless the bonnet
scoop/projection is manufactured from equivalent
gauge mild steel, compared with that of the original
bonnet.
• Air cleaners and/or carburettors must be covered by
the bonnet scoop.

Crappy rules, I know..... But they can get quite "funny" about them.

Mike

eav8 · 07-10-2005, 11:57 PM

ScoopED I think I will leave the bug catcher out until a later date and see how I go initially. Yeah as I said it was just for the looks but maybe a shaker style scoop would be just as effective. Either way won't know until I get engine swap done and inspected.
I'm glad qld don't need roadworthy every year as I feel that (unfortunately) I may have to do some testing prior to getting emissions tests done to get everything sorted and running correctly.
Let the fun begin

sean

ScoopED · 09-10-2005, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eav8

ScoopED I think I will leave the bug catcher out until a later date and see how I go initially. Yeah as I said it was just for the looks but maybe a shaker style scoop would be just as effective. Either way won't know until I get engine swap done and inspected.
I'm glad qld don't need roadworthy every year as I feel that (unfortunately) I may have to do some testing prior to getting emissions tests done to get everything sorted and running correctly.
Let the fun begin

sean

Mate, I TOTALLY understand and agree!!!
Like you said.... you want everything running correctly. There would be nothing worse than rocking up to an engineers workshop with something that is only running 60% well. I think that 'factory quality' is the key, well with the engineers I know of anyway.

And again, Best of luck!!! I can assure you that there will be plenty of 'fun' :voldar02:

Mike

eav8 · 11-10-2005, 06:51 PM

I have decided to go ahead with this toy....I have decided , however, to purchase another EA rolling shell and build that up rather than run the risk of my current road car being denied. If the toy car gets denied then I will just use it for play.
If (when) I start getting into it (next couple of weeks) I will take pics and put up..I will be attempting to install hydraulic clutch..This will involve modifying section of firewall but I will let you know what I do..
I thank you all for your comments and input and let the fun begin :b

ScoopED · 11-10-2005, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eav8

I have decided to go ahead with this toy....I have decided , however, to purchase another EA rolling shell and build that up rather than run the risk of my current road car being denied. If the toy car gets denied then I will just use it for play.
If (when) I start getting into it (next couple of weeks) I will take pics and put up..I will be attempting to install hydraulic clutch..This will involve modifying section of firewall but I will let you know what I do..
I thank you all for your comments and input and let the fun begin :b

AWSOME!!! I cant wait to see this beast!

Now there will be 3 351 powered E saries in South East Queensland belonging to this club! (Assuming you are in SE QLD)

1 EA 351 Clevo V8
1 EB 351 Wind V8
1 EL 351 Wind V8

Get you books ready D.O.T

Mike

eav8 · 11-10-2005, 07:37 PM

Close enough to S.E QLD to count

XA-Coupe · 11-10-2005, 07:56 PM

Good luck EaV8 ... If I find the right donor car ( ie: very very cheap ) I will have a spare cleveland very soon

eav8 · 11-10-2005, 11:10 PM

I was lucky I know a bloke down the road that has a few go through his place and went to hit him up for a K frame to play with and he offered me a complete ea sedan sans motor and transmission for $100. I thought that was cheap enough considering its got mags

ScoopED · 12-10-2005, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eav8

I was lucky I know a bloke down the road that has a few go through his place and went to hit him up for a K frame to play with and he offered me a complete ea sedan sans motor and transmission for $100. I thought that was cheap enough considering its got mags

Very Very nice...... Sounds like a good find.
Just be aware that the EA never came out with a V8 engine, regulatory bodies may frown upon this. You might just want to check before you start. I Chose an EB2 just to be on the safe side. Also the EB2 onwards has a more rigid body than the EA's, tho this will probabarly not be an issue if you stitch weld the chassis.

Mike

Racecraft · 12-10-2005, 03:16 AM

I went the EB1 so i could play around without SmartLock

ScoopED · 12-10-2005, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racecraft

I went the EB1 so i could play around without SmartLock

Yes, another reason why I went for the first of the EB2's, Smart lock is great, but it can be a real pain also.

EB's also (i think) have better side intrusion protection.

A car with ABS would also be a good investment I think. Such a heavy engine, you want all the extra help you can get. A front brake lockup would be fun with a boat anchor clevo in the front.

If you do get a car with ABS, it is fairly simple to seperate this system from the rest of the ECU wiring. It runs off a different Computer than the engine (located on the drivers side above the accelerator). Only 3 wires connect the ABS to the ECU loom, From memory 2 x 12V Positives and one Earth, very easy to modify.

Mike

eav8 · 17-10-2005, 01:46 PM

I have sat my clevo into the ea and it is a beautiful fit...My only query now is the engine mount holes on the K frame are closer together in the EA than the X series so that the holes do not line up. What do I do?....modify the engine mounts or the K frame to suit?
I could happily weld tabs to the engine mounts but then would have to worry about melting the rubbers, whereas modifiying the K frame would involve some drilling...

eav8 · 17-10-2005, 05:10 PM

some pics of it sitting in bay...Looks good now fun really to begin

LUXO_8 · 17-10-2005, 05:32 PM

crap you're just like scoopED.....
not wasting time that is!

awesome

XA-Coupe · 17-10-2005, 05:40 PM

There's a lot more room than I would have thought.

eav8 · 17-10-2005, 05:41 PM

Will be a bit slower now whilst getting bits and pieces. Waiting on some ebay parts and such but might be driving around the yard by christmas ;)

ScoopED · 17-10-2005, 10:46 PM

eaV8: I was just wondering if you had a chance to take any measurements of the distances between the engine and engine bay?

I'd be very interested to know the following measurements....... (If you were able to take them). It would be interesting to compare my measurements to yours.

* Rocker covers to shock towers
* Exhaust ports to shock towers
* Front of pulley to bottom radiator support

It really does give you some inspitation when you see the engine sitting in the car!!! Even if it is just a mock up for the time being...... it all helps.

Mike