Advice for speeding, loss of license - Page 2

10-01-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by klawsterfobik

I would be asking for "drive to work" permit only... if your work is a decent distance from your house.

No such thing in NSW anymore....

Abacus · 10-01-2006, 05:45 PM

I don't want to hijack this thread, but maybe somebody can clear this up. It might also help Ar3nbe, but no guarantee is given...

About four years ago I was 11 points gone. I also had a glovebox full of parking fines. The RTA, as they are prone to do, suspended both my licence and my registration for non payment of the fines.

The licence was suspended for a month and a bit, as I was in a financial hole at the time and couldn't clear up the fines. I paid the fines after five or six weeks, can't remember exactly.

During that period of suspension, my drivers licence came up for renewal.

So, after paying the fines and getting the suspension lifted, I renewed my licence. About a month later I scored a 3-pointer by way of a speed camera on the Pacific Highway at Murwillimbah.

Some quick maths told me that my licence was gone - 11 points plus 3 points = 14 points. So I paid the fine and waited for the disqualification letter. The letter never came.

About six months later curiosity got the better of me, so I rang the RTA and asked them how many points I was down on my licence. They told me I was down three points. Basically, between having my licence suspended over the parking fines, having it come up for renewal, and paying the fines off, the 11 points disappeared in the RTA's system. Not that I was complaining

Anybody know how this works?

Sagerian · 10-01-2006, 05:49 PM

I think you get the points back 3 years after the original offense or something? I wouldn't know, I've been a good boy.

RavenLS1 · 10-01-2006, 05:51 PM

dont you get an option?
you either keep your licence and cant lose a point for a year or take the 3 months .

Abacus · 10-01-2006, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by THE_RAVEN

dont you get an option?
you either keep your licence and cant lose a point for a year or take the 3 months .

NSW RTA link re demerit points is:
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/rulesregul...nts/index.html

It says"Unrestricted licence holders who receive a Notice of Suspension due to the accumulation of demerit points can apply for a 12 month good behaviour period instead of serving the suspension. This option is not available to provisional licence holders or those already serving a good behaviour period

Licence holders who accumulate 2 or more demerit points while serving a good behaviour period will be suspended for double the original suspension time.

GT 8888 · 10-01-2006, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by falcon91

Excuse my ignorance but what are "Green P plates"
Also I thought 30k over the limit was instant disqual for 3 months?
Maybe just in SA or maybe I don't know what I'm Talking about/
Do P plates still last 12 months and then full licence?????

SA Dermerit Points

45Km/h or more over speed limit - 6 demerit points and loss of licence for 6 months

More than 30 to 44 = 4
15-29 = 3
up to 14 = 1

EBFalcs · 10-01-2006, 06:56 PM

say you were being chased by some crazy dudes trying to bash you because you accidently cut them off. my mate got chased by people with hammers and chains and ИИИИ, and he told the cops he sat on 140 the hole way home and at one point he had to overtake on the gravel because there were too many cars on the other side of the road. and the cop said if your life was threatnd then you had to do it

Karnage · 10-01-2006, 08:00 PM

Sorry but in NSW 30 plus = 3 months reguardless of the reason and no this is a automatic suspension you can't even get a work licence when you cop this penalty. I had an incident where I got done for 30 + being chased by a Harley Rider, cop didn't care, rang the RTA as it was my first offence in my 9 year driving career, the response was too bad, at the time a taxi to work would have cost me $100 each way and there was no public transport....still too bad. I asked how other people get work licences? the repsonse was if you have used your whole 12 points then you can apply. So I asked so if i go out and speed several times and get done for a Low range DUI untill i run out of points then can I apply for a work licence? the response was ues sir that will be fine then.

MO · 10-01-2006, 10:03 PM

Cop it on the chin.....then move to the N.T. no points system....no speed limits out of towns and .05 to .08 is a one hundred dollar on the spot fine...however keep in mind you hit .08 lose the licence and the cops can if they wish do you for dangerous driving in the unlimited zones....but very,very rarely. Oh forgot I may be wrong but the N.T. did'nt have P plates.

Redrum · 10-01-2006, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ar3nbe

The form says "lidar" whatever the hell that is, but it looked like a hand held radar. He showed me the speed recording of 123. There was no way i could say i wasnt going that speed, because it was recored. I jst gave him my reason, and the usual, i didint know it was that fast at all, i was more concerned about getting out of trouble. Thats when he said about the going over 90 etc.

What was i going to contest, i was considering maybe something along the lines of first time pulled over, out of character and the reason why i was actually speeding it. But from what ive read, that pretty much is a no-no for a P plater. So coping it on the chin looks like the best bet.

If a radar is used you can only contest generally if you have an expert witness who will argue of the technical aspects of why the radar/speed measurement device is incorrect. Not an easy task

FalKeen · 10-01-2006, 10:19 PM

ive heard the rumours too about getting your points back after three months...ive also heard the rumour that you start with a fresh batch of points when you renew your licence? any truth to this one?

LG · 10-01-2006, 10:21 PM

In VIC, if you lose your licence on your p-plates. You have to start the 3 years on your p-plates again.

ten[A]cio[U]s · 10-01-2006, 10:22 PM

I have to cop my fine on the chin (burnout - 4points, $450 fine)..
Im on P-Plates too so yeah it sucks but Sheet happens mate..

Typhoon 270 · 10-01-2006, 10:23 PM

Doesn't matter lifes a ИИИИИ then you marry one before you know it your on the road driving again. Hint you just got to know when to speed and when not to.

b2tf · 10-01-2006, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ar3nbe

My question is if i get my green Ps before they take my points away, will i still be alowed to drive. Example, i have 7 points on my green Ps, so loosing 4 will result in 3 points left. This is just a thought, to perhaps reduce my suspension from 6 to 3 months but i am not quite sure on the exact NSW procedure. I do however know i can drive untill i recive the letter saying that ive been suspended. And that letter comes after i pay the fine.

I did exactly that, I was looking down the barrel of losing my licence for admittedly being very stupid. Nothing too serious but still enough to lose me points.
But this is how stupid the NSW licensing system is - I did it, I went and did my Green P's test literally the next week after I got booked, got my new licence and drove away with enough points to stay on the road.

Stupid, but it does work. Oh and for the record I don't condone it. I learnt my lesson, I was just lucky I had a loophole as work is a half hr drive for me.

Psycho Chicken · 10-01-2006, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by HLC

try writing a letter and use "it was an uncharacteristic momentary loss of concentration" got my dad off a 91 in 70 zone fine.

Not gonna work with anything less than 5 years of clear driving.

divine_afg · 10-01-2006, 11:29 PM

well i dont know if this could apply to you or help you but may be to give you some hope of getting your licence back... im from vic so i actually lost all my points too but over period of time i recived letter from vicroads giving me 2 options either lose my licence for 4 months or drive on probation for 1 year which means if in that one year i lost points again i would lose it for 8 months now if you lucky you might recieve same thing which im pretty sure will in your case. any ways goood lucks with it

JC · 11-01-2006, 12:35 AM

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Advice for speeding, loss of license

Slow down! LOL, sorry, couldn't help it.

ar3nbe · 11-01-2006, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JC

Slow down! LOL, sorry, couldn't help it.

lol thats very clever. Put a big smile on my face, heheheh. You are all great, i appreciate it how your not just all flaming me, but actually your trying to help. It makes me proud that there are still people like this in the world today.

As for getting my Green Ps, i can go for them early April, so i dont know if it is possible to delay the suspension such a long time. I will ring the RTA up tomorow, and enquire about the length of the suspension, weather its 3 or 6 months. If its 3, i thank my lucky stars. If its 6, well i did the wrong thing, i gotta jst take it. Im sorta over the whole thing, theres not much i can do about it.

JC · 11-01-2006, 12:58 AM

I wonder if you could string out the payments a bit? Like tell them you can't afford to pay in one hit, but would $100 a month be acceptable to them. If they will do that, that should get you at least 5 months before the fine is paid off, and as you said earlier, the suspension doesn't come through until the fine is paid, by which time you may have your green Ps, and will be left with 3 points, therefore no suspension.

If they won't accept pay by the month, you have 28 days to pay right? Or to write to them seeking leniency (which everyone has said won't work, but do it anyway - you will see why). Just make sure the letter gets to them within a wek of the end of the 28 day period that you have to write or pay by. What this does is stop them from charging you fees for late payment, plus there is the time that they need to respond - say another 2 weeks. The way I figure it, we are up to around end of Feb so far. When you receive the response, which will be, "sorry sir, please pay us" - you then write to them again - making sure the letter reaches them within 7 days of the new deadline, just to be safe - saying that you cannot afford to pay all in one hit, could you enter into a payment plan. By the time they respond to this, it will be well into late March early April, and their response to your second letter could be "Sure thing, $100 a month OK with you?" or "No, Sorry, you have to pay it all within 28 days". Either way, this gets you through to end of April at the earliest (and possibly even later than that depending on their response times). Green P's anyone? 7 points?

I don't know if this will actually work, but it isn't going to cost you anything other than time and 2 stamps to find out, is it. Best of luck.

Josh_XC · 11-01-2006, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

I did exactly that, I was looking down the barrel of losing my licence for admittedly being very stupid. Nothing too serious but still enough to lose me points.
But this is how stupid the NSW licensing system is - I did it, I went and did my Green P's test literally the next week after I got booked, got my new licence and drove away with enough points to stay on the road.

Stupid, but it does work. Oh and for the record I don't condone it. I learnt my lesson, I was just lucky I had a loophole as work is a half hr drive for me.

NO they have recently changed that, my friend lost her license, and she tried to go for her green p's to get points and she wasent allowed, they have stopped that now.

stiddy · 11-01-2006, 01:36 AM

you will NOT be able to get your green P's before you get your suspension..
they will know that you have a suspension coming up and they will tell you this at the RTA when you go to sit it.. they will tell you that you have to wait till your suspension is over.. OR make you sit the test, and then give you your greens after the suspension is complete..
you were 30+ over.. instant 3months loss of licence and another 3 months for loss of demerit points.. there is nothing you can do apart from apply for workers P's.. which if the cop is in a good mood will grant you.. but it is unlikely..

take it from me, im a P plater and have lost my licence 3 times.. ive been in and out of court fighting them.. and one was for being 30 over (got off it in court, long story).. it was accumulating more points then what i had.. 68 in a 60 and stuff like that.. never more than 15 over..

think of it this way.. once you get your licence back you will have a clean slate.. you will have all of your points and be on your greens..

Oh and dont drive while you are on your suspension.. chances are you will get away with it BUT theres also good chance you will get pinged.. if you are caught and you say "I didnt know" and act stupid.. they will run you down to the cop shop, make you sign a paper saying you are now aware that your suspended and will send you home with a warning and smack on the wrist.. if your caught again.. you will be up for your suspension extended (sometimes) upto 5 years, and fines(sometimes) upwards of $2500

Keepleft · 11-01-2006, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by falcon91

Excuse my ignorance but what are "Green P plates"
Also I thought 30k over the limit was instant disqual for 3 months?
Maybe just in SA or maybe I don't know what I'm Talking about/
Do P plates still last 12 months and then full licence?????

Ahem, South Australia has adopted with very minor changes the NSW-like graduated licensing system which includes naturally a P2 stage. A difference, for now, is that SA drivers will not need to show P2 plates (Green), but the 'conditions of license' and testing steps remain virtually the same per NSW along with certain punitive measures should certain offences be made.

See this link for more:
http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/pdfs/...0GLS%20200.pdf

South Australia has recently updated its driver handbook, "The Driver's Handbook"!! Pdf 10.4mb, October 2005 released online in full this year.
http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/pdfs/...s_handbook.pdf

merlin · 11-01-2006, 08:29 AM

I can't find anyhting on the RTA site about a 3 month holdiay for 30+. All it says is a 6 month holiday for 45+

Also there used to be a rule saying 1 month suspension for 130km/h+ but I can't find this on their rubbish site either - has it been revoked?

Sagerian · 11-01-2006, 08:36 AM

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/rulesregul.../speeding.html

There are licence suspension periods, similar to the minimum disqualification periods applied by a court, for exceeding the speed limit by more than 30 km/h (3 months), and by more than 45 km/h (6 months).

merlin · 11-01-2006, 08:52 AM

Cheers,

anything about if you exceed 130km/h?

Remmeber this as M4 is 110km/h and it used to be a 1 month penalty for 130 or more (which is only 20 over).

Sagerian · 11-01-2006, 08:57 AM

I didn't see anything about that. No idea, sorry.

stiddy · 11-01-2006, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by merlin

Cheers,

anything about if you exceed 130km/h?

Remmeber this as M4 is 110km/h and it used to be a 1 month penalty for 130 or more (which is only 20 over).

20km/h would be a *more then 15 but less than 30* fine.. which is 3 points and a $203 fine from memory..
but him being on red P's his speedlimit is 90km/h....
being on red P's and doing 110km/h, in a 110km/h zone will still get him done for 20km/h over..

gtfpv · 11-01-2006, 12:14 PM

about five years ago i got caught speeding 130 in a 110 zone id been driving for 15 years without a fine. i just took the ticket and paid it cant argue with the law if your in the wrong . you can pay someone to argue for you but in the end its the fine and the loss of licence or the fine , the legal fees and the loss off licence.it would be bad if you were driving for a long time and you got caught like that and loss your licence, just on a mistake . but believe me on the m5 in a 90 zone is a farquing stooopid mistake . and bieng an idiot as you stated . you need to learn the easy way like this and not the hard way with a sheet of windscreen against yours and your passangers and onother vehicles occupants in your forehead. have a nice day. and learn from your mistakes, you need to learn to be a man it is part of growiong up mummy and daddy are not responsible for you now you are and get used to it.

merlin · 11-01-2006, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by stiddy

20km/h would be a *more then 15 but less than 30* fine.. which is 3 points and a $203 fine from memory..

Yeah but there was a specific law brought in stating "vehicle exceed 130km/h" automatic 1 month suspension - I just want to know if it still exists as it used to be on the RTA site but I now can't find it.