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Actually the engines are fine it's just it's in a aged car that gives it no respect, the old 4 speeds your right there far from great let alone good, My car is the perfect example of this, I have a brand new one in my VP, It shifts it has made the car feel twice as fast but it's ruff, It never Miss's a beat but it does it a little harsh at time.
I wanted to buy a VY went down to KD's Got a spin in a VYII, It was fine had a chuckle to myself as the drive banged in as myn does, Once off it wasn't to bad nothing special.
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![]() <edit> Seriously... Mr "My Stock VP V6 just 8U" man tells me to grow up? ![]() pot to kettle: you are black!
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My eyes are plenty open mate. I've driven plenty of commodes (VH's, VL's, VP's *shock!*, VS's, VT's VU's and VY's. And guess what, past VL's they have two things in common. Cr@ppy auto's and wheezy engines. Deal with it, and cry more noob!
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1. It's rough and runs out of breath high up the rev range 2. Sounds exactly like the older ecotec. 3. Complaints about the cam chains causing an annoying whine(no fix yet). 4. performance increase only negligable over ecotec. 5. only weighs 5kgs less than ecotec 6. more complex, ie. will likely cost more to repair vs ecotec. 7. smaller displacement makes it feel sluggish of the line. Im sure as the engine evolves it will get better, but I would say it's no near as good as the fords I6 at this stage. |
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Ok her is a test,
get a pic of a 380 then get a pic of the VE and tell me where the difference is?????? yer they have a different front and back but it looks like the same car everywhere else......... |
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And by the way I'm the SlickHolden you can catch me on LS1.com.au Justcommodores.com.au and ultimatecarpage.com if you would like to look me up. I stand by all i have said you still need to grow up, Fair criticism is fine but when it's to the point of bagging not considering people drive these cars everyday, it's a bit over the top, and you haven't drove the VZ so hold your judgement on all of them till you have drove them all. As the 4 speed was given a big upgrade. And wheezy engines? I own one mate my friend has a VR and VS, My mothers friend has a VT, No wheezy engines there. In-fact if you said VN i would probably agree as it was the harshest of all V6's well the Buick V6 was the one that had piston slap and some had fuel issues, they ran rougher in lower revs but revved out fine to cut off. But the Ecotec V6 in the VS onwards was a much more refined high reeving engine without these problems of the past with the Buick V6. Now again I'll make my transmission a example, It's new had it done late February, It ИИИИs all over the old tranny, But it's still not perfect, Shifts sometimes harsh not all the time, But what it does is shift and ИИИИ perfect all the time, I need power at any speed it responds to me when i want acceleration, It can hold gears on corners and drop with a input of acceleration, On the freeway i can over-take stays in 4th, If i want to pass fast it will drop back to 3rd and pull hard, It never Miss's gears or drops or slips unexpectedly, It's the perfect tranny with a touch of hardness at times. And this could be made worse as i have a tail-shaft problem right now it's unbalanced and may need UV's or centre bearings. Quote:
See all cars have problems. But on the Alloytech that engine was made for high revs. And it's not the capacity that makes it slow off the mark it's the diff gears they have set for it. It's like a 2.7, Myn is 3.08. I have honestly never herd of cam chains whining. Performance over the ecotec is big, the VP still beats all but the Sv6. It's the 175 engine that has had some issues not the 190. But on weight the old engine wasn't heavy and had a lot less goodies in it. But the barra engine is one huge lump my god it's big. My brothers old EF i thought it was big then, Even his wifes AU but this is huge. On cost repairs i was just told by a mechanic that if the 190 blows a head it might crack the block and thats the full rebuild. But higher technology means you will have to pay more.
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I've driven ecotec to alloytech pretty much back to back and the difference in NVH is minimal at best, at high revs they both sound like your pulling a cat through a keyhole by the tail,.... on the same note though, a standard BA I6 is no symphany either when given a boot full, improvment in the BF is noticable though, due more to sound proofing more than engine improvement i think.... coincidently in the middle of this post some young punk in the street just dropped a burnout next door in his VN V6, ah the smell of burning rubber and sound of strangled cats for everyone!
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Slickholden, your brothers car being an ex cop car says it all to me. Its probably been flogged to death, hence the problems.
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hahahaha, what a tool, who let him in?!
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lol okay guys as fun as holden fan bashing is lets keep this on topic here, its quite clear that he isnt anything like our good friend gmhdriver so just leave it be btw slick welcome to the forums
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![]() See that is a perfect example there BA to BF, This is why the alloytech will seem to be so much better then before, And it won't be it's the sound proofing that the VE will have, The car will respect the engine more. Alfa and Cadillac never complain about these engines. Quote:
I spoke to herrod and they said they can fix many complaints he has with it, The stealth program can help but anything that is ECU controlled they can play with, They can even get it off the mark faster with a higher rpm stall converter, They can even adjust the drive by wire, these are just some of the things he might do as it really has disappointed him after his old EFII Ghia was such a fast car, He got a XR6 Diff and 5 Speed for it and it flew, But he traded it in for the BA, He doesn't miss the old car he Miss's the brute power and the fact he knew everything about it, This car is fully covered that still doesn't satisfy him, Give him a year and he will trade it in for maybe a Territory or XR. But lucky he got knocked back for the finance before the BA ![]() Quote:
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somebody once said, don't argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
Oh, and i wouldn't go bragging about breaking the legal speed limits here mate. Leave that to justcommodes.com. We're all real impressed though!
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There's good Holdens and bad Holdens There's good Ford's and bad Ford's. Some cars may feel like they have more power then others, yet they actually don't. A quick take off and hard reving engine may not feel the same as another car with average take off, yet harder working engine, at lower revs.... It's all personal. Just stick to the thread. This noob has coped enough already....
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Iam not getting involved in bagging the Alloytec mtr or slick holden.
But the new holden what I can make of the pic looks as if its got a bit of Cadillac V series & STC influence with door handle & shape by the look of the current Cadillac site plus I think thats were holden sourced this mtr. www.cadillac.com |
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![]() I dont like them door handles, My sister has them on her proton gen-2 and they dont open half the time:( Quote:
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Guys guys guys, put ur differences aside will ya.
Anyway, smoked can mean just beat him - not necessarily burnout, and I don't see any mention of speeding. ANyways, back on track, I wonder how many people will be snapping off those door handles? Might be a common part for Holden to stock up on....
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everytime i see pics of the VE, i like it more... cant wait to see them in the flesh |
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I smoked a 5lt VN a couple of weeks ago, He wasn't happy but i was:p
They won't brake the handle but they will be bad for older people and arthritis suffers, I have found there is a way to open them and it's a pain in the rear, Thumb has got to go in a spot as you pull back:( so if your in a hurry you could hurt your hand forsure.
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When I say brake, i didn't mean accidentaly. I meant when little bas***'s come and snap them off for the fun of it.... hope it won't catch on....
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