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zilo · 26-03-2021, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GasoLane

I guess this line had nothing to do with which way they went then ?

"The vaccine was initially met with some controversy after being rolled out before the final trial data had been released."

I can imagine your whinging if they'd bought a vaccine that hadn't passed all the trials.

Haha....your imagination is your problem.
AZ was just as rushed but we will ignore that little detail cause a moderator might hit a button..

**GasoLane** · 26-03-2021, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by zilo

Haha....your imagination is your problem.
AZ was just as rushed but we will ignore that little detail cause a moderator might hit a button..

I don't recall mentioning anything was rushed, you're the one saying that. Sputnik was released to the public before trials were finished.

Please explain how AZ was 'rushed' into public release.

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Originally Posted by zilo

Name one previous vaccine from russia to justify your suspiscion?

Again, you're imagining words that aren't there, FairmontGS never mentioned any Vaccine, just that Russia couldn't be trusted.

If you insist on arguing please argue about what was actually written and not like the popular quote..................."Don't answer the question that is asked. Answer the question that you wish had been asked"

zilo · 27-03-2021, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GasoLane

Sputnik was released to the public before trials were finished.

The leader of Russia doesn't need approval from western critics.
He has emergency powers which he enacted.
Any leader in the west could have done the same...except they didn't have any product to endorse.

It turns out he made the correct call, based on the proven expertise of his team.

Doubts were seeded when President Putin surprised the world by announcing Russian approval for emergency use of Sputnik V as early as August 2020, before phase I or II data had been published and before the phase III trial had begun.

Just because the western experts weren't privvy to the program doesn't mean that the Russian program is inferior, dangerous..whatever.

There is a good chance that the Chinese vaccines are just as effective, do they care if the West approves? Nope.
We can all shake our heads and say they must be lying about their low deaths and cases of Covid....but what if it isn't a lie?

MITCHAY · 26-03-2021, 07:24 PM

If the TGA gave approval I wouldn't see any issue but I somehow doubt how that could happen because obviously they need some data to inform that decision.

Russia or China deny publicly what is bleeding obvious all the time so trust is an issue you could say especially with state sponsored media

For example Putin supposedly only just got it and off the record in contrast to other world leaders. That wouldn't inspire any confidence here

T3rminator · 26-03-2021, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

If the TGA gave approval I wouldn't see any issue but I somehow doubt how that could happen because obviously they need some data to inform that decision.

Russia or China deny publicly what is bleeding obvious all the time so trust is an issue you could say especially with state sponsored media

For example Putin supposedly only just got it and off the record in contrast to other world leaders. That wouldn't inspire any confidence here

I find it odd that approval bodies don't undertake their own independent trials and testing, but rather rely on the manufacturers to do their own. Seems like a conflict of interest. How are you certain that sampling was done right and that right doses were administered? etc And that what they publish is actually the right results?

https://www.watoday.com.au/world/nor...23-p57dem.html

zilo · 26-03-2021, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Russia or China deny publicly what is bleeding obvious all the time so trust is an issue you could say especially with state sponsored media

HMMMM....the ABC is state sponsored media....so is the BBC......

MITCHAY · 26-03-2021, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by zilo

HMMMM....the ABC is state sponsored media....so is the BBC......

There's a difference between public and state media.

zilo · 26-03-2021, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

There's a difference between public and state media.

Depends on where you are looking from.....I usually follow the money....

**russellw** · 27-03-2021, 01:11 PM

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT March 27th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

10 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.109%.

3 new cases and 0 deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.049% and active cases 74.

The UK had a lower 6,187 cases yesterday and 70 deaths.

Just under 68k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,273 deaths sees CMR at 1.819%. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Asia sets a new daily case high of 156,218;
South America sets a new daily case high of 134,762;
The World moves above the 90th percentile for 10 day case average;

Timor-Leste (58);
Mongolia (437);
Curaçao (409);
PNG (560) - 200 more than the previous high;
North Macedonia (1,419) - the previous high on 18/11/20;
Kenya (2,008);
Ethiopia (2,097);
Bulgaria (4,851);
Philippines (9,838);
Hungary (11,265);
Ukraine (18,132); and
Poland (35,143);

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

Austria and Argentina move above the 90th percentile for their 10 day average while none drop below.

**DJR-351** · 27-03-2021, 02:18 PM

Australian vaccination rollout risks falling behind rest of world

https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...-world-_270321

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The Federal Government should apply a "laser-like focus" on increasing the pace of Australia's COVID-19 vaccination rollout as it risks falling behind other nations, a public health expert warned.

There is concern after the number of vaccinations struggled to reach a quarter of the Federal Government's target of 4 million jabs by the end of this month.

Adjunct Professor Bill Bowtell, from the University of NSW, told Today other countries are pulling ahead of Australia.

"Yesterday in the United States in one day 3.4 million doses were administered. That's getting on for about the entire adult population of Australia every week," he said.

And even developing countries that lack the health services Australia has are making progress, Prof Bowtell said.

Public health expert Bill Bowtell said Australia is in a race against time to vaccinate its population against coronavirus.

"Developing countries like Bangladesh, Rwanda, Senegal all of whom have much worse societal problems than we do are ahead of us."

Prof Bowtell said it was essential for the Federal Government to take a cold hard look at the vaccination rollout.

"We have to ask some very serious questions about why we are falling behind, we have got to correct those problems with a laser-like focus from the prime minister and the government."

Prof Bowtell said GPs and other frontline health workers were well positioned to administer vaccinations but suffered a lack of regular supplies.

"I know in Port Stephens they were geared up already to receive 5000 doses a week. And what they got last week was 50. Now, that's just not good enough."

"The doctors, the GPs, the pharmacies, all ready to go, but they are being let down by a failure to commit to targets, to plan and to deliver. So we have to do better with procurement."

Prof Bowtell said supplies should increase when pharmaceutical company CSL begins producing the AstraZeneca vaccine at its Melbourne plant. Earlier this week, the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) approved the release of more than 832,000 doses of the local AstraZeneca vaccine.

But Australia still faced a "race against time" to innoculate the population against COVID-19 while cases in the country remained very low, warned Prof Bowtell.

"We have zero-zero but people have mistaken this momentary advantage for the long term solution. And it's not. We need vaccinations. We need to have an entire population vaccinated as soon as possible."

Prof Bowtell said authorities should utilise sporting grounds and other public facilities as well as introducing drive-through COVID-19 jabs to ramp up vaccination numbers.

And he warned it was also essential to curb the alarming rise in coronavirus cases in neighbouring Papua New Guinea before it spilled into Far North Queensland.

"We can't be out of woods until the entire world is. Papua New Guinea particularly. So yes, we run a big risk of falling behind."

MITCHAY · 27-03-2021, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DJR-351

Australian vaccination rollout risks falling behind rest of world

https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...-world-_270321

It's behind by a lot but we haven't been getting the supplies we ordered to fill the gap either. Let's see how it looks by the end of April now that local supply is online.

We really have no choice but to divert some of our local supply to PNG at this point, they need it more than us.

It doesn't look like the EU is going to allow our order to be diverted to the PNG.

Citroënbender · 30-03-2021, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DJR-351

Australian vaccination rollout risks falling behind rest of world

https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...-world-_270321

When I was at the doctor’s the other day, I thought to ask how the vaccinations were going. The takeaway summary was, slower than preferred and an excessive level of patient/prospective patient anger and aggression.

**FairmontGS** · 27-03-2021, 05:26 PM

Queensland coronavirus testing rates triple as authorities confirm new case of community COVID transmission

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Aides to New York Governor Cuomo subpoenaed in sexual harassment probe…
Every single TV show and movie dropping on Stan in April 2021.

a large building with a bridge in the background: Princess Alexandra Hospital in Brisbane. (ABC News: Stefan Lowe)© Provided by ABC Health Princess Alexandra Hospital in Brisbane. (ABC News: Stefan Lowe)
Queensland health authorities have detected another case of community transmission linked to a Stafford man who was confirmed to have coronavirus on Thursday.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said a Strathpine man had tested positive and contact tracers were still determining his movements.

She said a list of high-risk places would soon be released.

The Strathpine man was a close contact of the landscape gardener from Stafford, whose case was linked to involving the highly infectious UK strain of the virus, known as B117.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/brisb...?ocid=msedgntp

T3rminator · 27-03-2021, 08:05 PM

Ex-CDC Director Robert Redfield believes COVID-19 came from Wuhan lab

https://nypost.com/2021/03/26/ex-cdc...rom-wuhan-lab/

Fauci rejects ex-CDC director’s claim that COVID-19 came from Wuhan lab

https://nypost.com/2021/03/26/fauci-...came-from-lab/

Was just thinking, if it came from an animal naturally, then it is very unlikely it would have been a single host at the wet market. Likely whichever species it is, would still be roaming around, and we should be seeing fresh outbreaks all over the place, but we aren't.......hmmmmm.

**FairmontGS** · 27-03-2021, 08:16 PM

AFL prepares for the worst as 15,000 ordered to take COVID-19 tests in Victoria

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Brisbane Lions players and officials are among more than 15,000 people in Victoria who have been ordered to get coronavirus tests after a second case of locally acquired coronavirus was discovered in Queensland.

Although Queensland government restrictions remained unchanged on Saturday night, the AFL was busy planning contingencies in the event the two current local COVID-19 cases will trigger lockdowns and border closures in the sunshine state.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...27-p57ej8.html

**FairmontGS** · 27-03-2021, 09:37 PM

Dan Andrews turns on the state defences...

https://youtu.be/PvP89SDePFE

https://youtu.be/A_sY2rjxq6M

Ben73 · 27-03-2021, 09:46 PM

Time for a hard border closure. No QLDers allowed into other states under any circumstances.

MITCHAY · 27-03-2021, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

Time for a hard border closure. No QLDers allowed into other states under any circumstances.

To Anna's credit she hasn't slammed it shut yet

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Originally Posted by zilo

My apologies, you are quite right, the Russians have been demonized by the west. We all think they eat their babies and rape their daughters.

To think they could make the most effective vaccine at the cheapest price in the smallest time frame is just embarrassing to both the pharma and academic machines.

So effective that Putin won't even get jabbed in front of world but has no issues with the media taking pics with his shirt off at every opportunity

zilo · 27-03-2021, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

So effective that Putin won't even get jabbed in front of world but has no issues with the media taking pics with his shirt off at every opportunity

Pretty sure he doesn't need to pamper to voters for approval like Biden.

And that is what he replied with when met with the exact criticism you mention.

Unless you reckon he is waiting for one of the western vaccines?

: yelrotflm

MITCHAY · 27-03-2021, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by zilo

Pretty sure he doesn't need to pamper to voters for approval like Biden.

And that is what he replied with when met with the exact criticism you mention.

Unless you reckon he is waiting for one of the western vaccines?

: yelrotflm

No he doesn't because he is a leader for life now like his buddy Xi Pindick. They don't have to even worry about votes.

Putin is a well known terry tough nut but can't even get his own vaccine on camera

Yellow_Festiva · 28-03-2021, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

To Anna's credit she hasn't slammed it shut yet

So effective that Putin won't even get jabbed in front of world but has no issues with the media taking pics with his shirt off at every opportunity

I think he did get the vaccine...

Seen the most recent pic of him with his shirt off??

Sporting quite an epic rack..

**FairmontGS** · 28-03-2021, 09:34 AM

Brisbane man who tested positive to coronavirus partied with friends while waiting for his result

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A Strathpine man who tested positive to coronavirus held a party for 25 people at his home after being instructed to isolate while he waited for his test results.

This time, two men in their 20s tested positive to the UK variant.

The men — from Stafford and Strathpine — are the latest cases in a cluster that also includes a doctor from the Princess Alexandra Hospital and two returned travellers, who tested positive earlier this month.

It is not clear if the Strathpine man — who held the party — will be fined for ignoring a directive to isolate.

The men tested positive after visiting dozens of locations, including supermarkets, bottle shops, Bunnings stores and shopping centers.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...ases/100030522

Yellow_Festiva · 28-03-2021, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Brisbane man who tested positive to coronavirus partied with friends while waiting for his result

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...ases/100030522

Until someone like this gets a massive fine and time behind bars it will continue to happen.

Absolute and utter selfish scumbag...

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Yellow_Festiva · 29-03-2021, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Until someone like this gets a massive fine and time behind bars it will continue to happen.

Absolute and utter selfish scumbag...

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Wish to retract those comments as they were based on false information.

I wouldn't like some random online incorrectly calling me names.

**FairmontGS** · 28-03-2021, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Brisbane man who tested positive to coronavirus partied with friends while waiting for his result

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...ases/100030522

Not the case...

COVID case party claim a 'misunderstanding' based on information from man, Qld Health Minister says

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When a Strathpine man in his 20s tested positive for COVID-19, authorities reported that he threw a party for 25 people while awaiting his result.

But less than 24 hours later, it was found that was not the case and, in fact, he was at home with his four roommates and one other person.

The man in question, who is currently in a Brisbane hospital, has asked for privacy, saying the situation has "caused him a great deal of stress".

So how did authorities get it so wrong?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...take/100034116

**buggerlugs** · 29-03-2021, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Not the case...

COVID case party claim a 'misunderstanding' based on information from man, Qld Health Minister says

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...take/100034116

Looks like the police owning up to this one.............

**russellw** · 28-03-2021, 01:27 PM

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT March 27th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

10 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.108%.

2 new cases and 0 deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.048% and active cases 74.

The UK had a lower 3,865 cases yesterday and 58 deaths.

Just over 79k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,371 deaths sees CMR at 1.819%. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
Global cases pass 127M, the last 1M in 2 days;
Europe passes 900k deaths;

Ethiopia (2,173); and
Peru (11,919)

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

The Netherlands, Namibia and Kazakhstan move above the 90th percentile for their 10 day average while Slovakia and Armenia drop below.

**Polyal** · 29-03-2021, 11:22 AM

Annnnd greater Brisbane in lockdown, not cool but targeted lockdowns are better than statewide I guess.

Yellow_Festiva · 29-03-2021, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Annnnd greater Brisbane in lockdown, not cool but targeted lockdowns are better than statewide I guess.

This QLD case is a mystery. Apparently out and about for 3 weeks before detection?? How has there not been a flood of cases?

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tweeked · 29-03-2021, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

This QLD case is a mystery. Apparently out and about for 3 weeks before detection?? How has there not been a flood of cases?

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I reckon 30 degree days and British covid don't like each other. Let it out in Melbourne in 2 months time and it will be a different matter.