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zilo · 14-06-2021, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

Looks like Vic has run out of pfizer. Just heard no more 1st dose bookings from today until further notice. All reserves are now for 2nd dose bookings only.

Yep...Comrade Dan got the last one....no astra for him...

Yellow_Festiva · 14-06-2021, 07:35 PM

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Opinion: Prime Minister’s globetrotting highlights his lack of a plan to let Aussies visit family overseas
Scott Morrison travelled around the world to hang out at someone else’s party but shamelessly refuses to give everyday Aussies any idea of when they can do the same.

OPINION

Last week, Prime Minister Scott Morrison trod a path millions of Australians have done before.

He boarded a plane here, transited through Singapore, and then a day later landed in the UK.

He then headed to the G7 summit in Cornwall. Many of us, understandably, were underwhelmed by the spectacle.

It was a shameless display of “do as I say, not as I do”. Mr Morrison made this jaunt overseas while steadfastly refusing to give Aussies any idea of how long they will be prevented from doing the same.

It’s not about a date, it’s about the fact the PM won’t even set out a plan – a vague undulating adjustable plan even – towards opening borders when most of us are vaccinated.

At least 7.5 million Australians have every right to feel furious.

https://www.news.com.au/national/fed...05159ac4802bc0

lumen8 · 15-06-2021, 06:35 AM

Italy’s vaccination campaign has been thrown into chaos after experts banned the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine for the under-60s only days after young Italians were encouraged to take it.

The restriction on the use of the vaccine followed the death last Thursday from blood clotting of an 18-year-old woman in Liguria who had her first jab on May 25.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i...eath-vl6rzd8xx

AstraZeneca Vaccine Paused For Those Under Sixty in Greece

The AstraZeneca vaccine should not be given to those under sixty in Greece, the National Vaccination Committee announced on Monday.

https://greekreporter.com/2021/06/14...xty-years-old/

oldel · 15-06-2021, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lumen8

Italy’s vaccination campaign has been thrown into chaos after experts banned the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine for the under-60s only days after young Italians were encouraged to take it.

The restriction on the use of the vaccine followed the death last Thursday from blood clotting of an 18-year-old woman in Liguria who had her first jab on May 25.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i...eath-vl6rzd8xx
AstraZeneca Vaccine Paused For Those Under Sixty in Greece
The AstraZeneca vaccine should not be given to those under sixty in Greece, the National Vaccination Committee announced on Monday.

https://greekreporter.com/2021/06/14...xty-years-old/

Everyone learning the hard way on their own again...

lumen8 · 15-06-2021, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by oldel

Everyone learning the hard way on their own again...

The mayor of Rome doesnt seem too fussed, listen to her from 57 seconds when asked about covid risk at the euros...

lumen8 · 15-06-2021, 06:37 AM

Australians will be stuck with masks, lockdowns and snap border closures for up to TWO YEARS because the vaccine rollout is slow and too many people refuse to get the jab, study finds

Australians will likely be stuck with snap Covid lockdowns and rolling restrictions even as vaccination numbers rise - while the rest of the world gets on with life.

Anti-vaccination hysteria and new virus variants mean the nation is unlikely to achieve herd immunity any time soon, a new study conducted by the Burnet Institute concluded.

Therefore, researchers believe preventative protocols like mask wearing and social distancing, as well as 'circuit breaker' lockdowns like those utilised in Queensland, South Australia and Western Australia will likely remain the norm.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ates-rise.html

**russellw** · 15-06-2021, 12:24 PM

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT June 14th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

15 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.008%.

1 case and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.960% and active cases 27.

The UK had a higher 7,606 cases yesterday and 3 deaths.

8,939 new cases in the USA yesterday and 110 deaths sees CMR at 1.792%.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 177M, the last 1M in 2 days;
As predicted the sub 300k global case numbers from yesterday are now above that figure;

Only -
Mongolia (2,263)

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for their 10 day average and no countries drop below.

T3rminator · 15-06-2021, 05:21 PM

The vic booking portal is finally up, just in time when no more 1st dose pfizer bookings are being taken

Still, you can make your 2nd bookings or AZ bookings.

https://portal.cvms.vic.gov.au/

tweeked · 15-06-2021, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

The vic booking portal is finally up, just in time when no more 1st dose pfizer bookings are being taken

Still, you can make your 2nd bookings or AZ bookings.

https://portal.cvms.vic.gov.au/

Worked well for me, just booked my 2nd AZ

Yellow_Festiva · 15-06-2021, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

The vic booking portal is finally up, just in time when no more 1st dose pfizer bookings are being taken

Still, you can make your 2nd bookings or AZ bookings.

https://portal.cvms.vic.gov.au/

I tried booking my Pfizer vaccination online last night.

Got right to the end and I couldn't select a date or time as the fields were greyed out and the mouse didn't function when hovering over them anyway.

No worries. I'll just go back and change to a different venue I thought?

Nope, couldn't. Was locked in to the same.

Will try again tonight. Was busy all day so couldn't call the number.

slowsnake · 15-06-2021, 08:37 PM

I am 68 years old and have major issues with my pulmonary health, I have so far refused the Astra Zeneca vaccine 5 times because I favour Pfizer.
It is my personal choice, I have to have major pulmonary surgery very soon, 2 weeks ago they said within 6 weeks.

If I go to surgery "half cooked" with first dose AZ I think I will be at risk of more than Covid-19.
But if I have Pfizer tomorrow and 2nd dose in 3 weeks before surgery, then I think my chances are a lot better going in fully cooked than half cooked?
By the looks of it I am going to surgery unvaccinated!...and hospitals are the biggest carriers of a multitude of illnesses and viruses, but I will refuse AZ at least until I recover from surgery, may take up to 12 months!
And that's my decision, but not my choice, I choose only Pfizer for the reasons stated above!...

Cheers King Billy

Citroënbender · 15-06-2021, 09:10 PM

Well, that didn’t take long - police in one Australian state acquiring supposedly protected QR data, because it suited them:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-...data/100201340

T3rminator · 15-06-2021, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I tried booking my Pfizer vaccination online last night........

Were you doing first or second? System may have cracked the sads if you tried to do a first.

When I logged in I found that they had registered some of my details incorrectly, like date of birth. Grrrrr

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Well, that didn’t take long - police in one Australian state acquiring supposedly protected QR data, because it suited them:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-...data/100201340

Dan the man used this an excuse for the delayed roll out in Vic, said something about needing to dot the I's and cross the T's to ensure that data was protected and would not be used for any other reasons than covid contract tracing.

Interesting conundrum. If the victim was someone you knew, how would you feel about authorities using the available info to potentially track down the killer? I'm still undecided.

Citroënbender · 15-06-2021, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

…Interesting conundrum. If the victim was someone you knew, how would you feel about authorities using the available info to potentially track down the killer? I'm still undecided.

Either a law stands and is applied equally, or we should not have it. This is the problem many of us have with Covid-affected events such as the Australian Prime Minister’s current overseas travel.

JasonACT · 15-06-2021, 10:51 PM

I'm not particularly undecided, I hate it how criminals can't seem to think one-move ahead and how it may affect the innocent... So here we have the cops putting us at risk, because the crim's are now wise to it.

**FairmontGS** · 16-06-2021, 08:44 AM

Services NSW App T&Cs specifically state it will only be used within NSW Health and will be destroyed after 28 days. But Services NSW's T&Cs mention that information (collected from anywhere) could be forced to be shared with law enforcement. Hmmm.. I guess that's as good as it will get.

Anyhoo, I subscribe to the adage that if you're not doing anything wrong they you've got nothing to worry about.

**Polyal** · 16-06-2021, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Services NSW App T&Cs specifically state it will only be used within NSW Health and will be destroyed after 28 days. But Services NSW's T&Cs mention that information (collected from anywhere) could be forced to be shared with law enforcement. Hmmm.. I guess that's as good as it will get.

Anyhoo, I subscribe to the adage that if you're not doing anything wrong they you've got nothing to worry about.

Yeah sucks to be a crim and have some evidence used against you.

Yes yes I hear cries of over reach and invasion of privacy. Pro Tip: dont think about killing people

tweeked · 16-06-2021, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Yeah sucks to be a crim and have some evidence used against you.

Yes yes I hear cries of over reach and invasion of privacy. Pro Tip: dont think about killing people

I am ok with authorities using whatever they need in certain circumstances. Murders, abductions etc.

The bit I don't like is in Vics terms outlining "to protect public revenue".

I do a lot of work with software dev people at work, and they are good at writing code, but nearly always have no idea about the operation processes the code supports. This is where data matching ends up in disasters like the Feds Robodebt. This provides even more data for poor AI to screw up with.

This was meant to be for contact tracing only, if what T3rminator posted "Dan the man used this an excuse for the delayed roll out in Vic, said something about needing to dot the I's and cross the T's to ensure that data was protected and would not be used for any other reasons than covid contract tracing" is true and we ended up with the exceptions posted, there is not an I or T sorted out at all. It is basically an information free for all for government departments.

p.s., I pay all my taxes, my issue with Robodebt (it didn't affect me or anyone I know by the way) was the presumption of guilt via data, and having to fight to get money back if it was wrong.

T3rminator · 16-06-2021, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tweeked

I am ok with authorities using whatever they need in certain circumstances. Murders, abductions etc.

The bit I don't like is in Vics terms outlining "to protect public revenue".

I do a lot of work with software dev people at work, and they are good at writing code, but nearly always have no idea about the operation processes the code supports. This is where data matching ends up in disasters like the Feds Robodebt. This provides even more data for poor AI to screw up with.

This was meant to be for contact tracing only, if what T3rminator posted "Dan the man used this an excuse for the delayed roll out in Vic, said something about needing to dot the I's and cross the T's to ensure that data was protected and would not be used for any other reasons than covid contract tracing" is true and we ended up with the exceptions posted, there is not an I or T sorted out at all. It is basically an information free for all for government departments.

p.s., I pay all my taxes, my issue with Robodebt (it didn't affect me or anyone I know by the way) was the presumption of guilt via data, and having to fight to get money back if it was wrong.

Yep, I specifically remember him saying it at one of the pressers when he was pressed on why Services Victoria had not rolled out their QR system.

So our DPA officer at work mentioned that these "weasle" T&Cs have been occuring since the etag and myki days. When people become more aware, they might be less inclined to use it, which becomes counter intuitive. He is so waiting for the day they start data matching sales info with check in info, and robofine breachers.

**Charliewool** · 16-06-2021, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Services NSW App T&Cs specifically state it will only be used within NSW Health and will be destroyed after 28 days. But Services NSW's T&Cs mention that information (collected from anywhere) could be forced to be shared with law enforcement. Hmmm.. I guess that's as good as it will get.

Anyhoo, I subscribe to the adage that if you're not doing anything wrong they you've got nothing to worry about.

Agree… I mean look at mobile phones able to pinpoint everywhere you go (even turned off?)
Nothing to hide?… Who cares

**GasoLane** · 16-06-2021, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Services NSW App T&Cs specifically state it will only be used within NSW Health and will be destroyed after 28 days. But Services NSW's T&Cs mention that information (collected from anywhere) could be forced to be shared with law enforcement. Hmmm.. I guess that's as good as it will get.

Anyhoo, I subscribe to the adage that if you're not doing anything wrong they you've got nothing to worry about.

“The Axiom ‘Honest men have nothing to fear from the police’ is currently under review by the Axioms Review Board.”

- Terry Pratchett - Men At Arms

roKWiz · 16-06-2021, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GasoLane

“The Axiom ‘Honest men have nothing to fear from the police’ is currently under review by the Axioms Review Board.”

- Terry Pratchett - Men At Arms

Wasn't there a case when the NSW safetycam caught a murderer who denied he was in NSW when the crime was committed.

tweeked · 16-06-2021, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

Wasn't there a case when the NSW safetycam caught a murderer who denied he was in NSW when the crime was committed.

Awesome appropriate use of tech. All for this.

But if I buy a souvlaki for cash every Saturday night from a van at in a service station forecourt at two in the morning, I don't want some lazy data matching deciding that I am a suspect in a money laundering scheme because I checked in there all the time.

Citroënbender · 16-06-2021, 06:24 PM

Bondi zombie alert; here we go, here we go, here we go…

roKWiz · 17-06-2021, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by tweeked

Awesome appropriate use of tech. All for this.

But if I buy a souvlaki for cash every Saturday night from a van at in a service station forecourt at two in the morning, I don't want some lazy data matching deciding that I am a suspect in a money laundering scheme because I checked in there all the time.

Yes, my point being where does it stop between our 2 examples.

Bossxr8 · 16-06-2021, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Services NSW App T&Cs specifically state it will only be used within NSW Health and will be destroyed after 28 days. But Services NSW's T&Cs mention that information (collected from anywhere) could be forced to be shared with law enforcement. Hmmm.. I guess that's as good as it will get.

Anyhoo, I subscribe to the adage that if you're not doing anything wrong they you've got nothing to worry about.

All well and good, until they keep pushing it to the point where they become just like the CCP, and privacy no longer exists.

Governments do not need to be sticking their noses into the business of it's citizens just living their lives.

**russellw** · 16-06-2021, 04:46 PM

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT June 15th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

10 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.006%.

No cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.960% and active cases 27.

The UK had a lower 7,587 cases yesterday and 10 deaths.

14,499 new cases in the USA yesterday and 299 deaths sees CMR at 1.792%.

Other notable points:

Cuba (1,537);
Mongolia (2,386); and
Zambia (2,690)

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for their 10 day average and South Korea drops below.

**FairmontGS** · 16-06-2021, 06:27 PM

lumen8 · 17-06-2021, 10:03 AM

tout suite ...

slowsnake · 17-06-2021, 10:19 AM

It really is a very strange illness, seems to target certain folk, or individuals whilst missing others!

I think someone should design a full body cover, from head to toe, with maybe a small mesh screen for the eyes, I reckon you'd make a mint with a design like that!

I still reckon it travels around on ozone!...well its everywhere so why not.

Cheers King Billy