Nissan GT-R Stigma/Attitude? - Page 3

saam · 21-03-2012, 10:14 PM

We may be all fanboys of a certain type of car or brand..

If you ever want to know why some GTR fans speak highly of their machine

go out and test drive one

Only then will you understand its driving presents

Just dont blame me if youd want to tade in your ford for it

Windsor342ci · 21-03-2012, 11:32 PM

I dnt know what there is to hate about them. Ive been blessed enough to have a go in one of these beats and it was pure bliss! Id own a R35 no questions asked.

XR6Naranja · 22-03-2012, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CRYHSV

I dnt know what there is to hate about them. Ive been blessed enough to have a go in one of these beats and it was pure bliss! Id own a R35 no questions asked.

Once again I'm not hating them >.<

Just those are who as said "hellbent" on thinking it's completely indestructible

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Originally Posted by 4RD4TW

What doesn't look promising? Nissan abiding by the rules?

Educate yourself about how Nissan came to be entering V8SC before jumping to completely stupid conclusions

Conclusions is what you just jumped too, I wasn't talking about that at all.

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Originally Posted by shonkymofo

Not being mean, but you sound like one of the kids on youtube you are talking about.

Godzilla earned it's place in history. People will always be unable to keep it in perspective and make outlandish claims and get carried away, but for me my GTR was the best car ownership of my life. 10 x better than the sterile GT I now own or the next cheapest equivalent back in the 90's

Once again I'm not hating the car -.-

The cars are fine, but they aren't simply the best, and this is what I'm getting at with people basically saying they are.

2011G6E · 22-03-2012, 05:33 AM

Nothing is completely indestructible given a creatively abusive operator...

But seeing the way some tools "use" their old Skylines, I'd have to say it speaks pretty highly of the way they're built that they keep on plugging along for years.

...even if the 2JZ is a better motor...

Cheese3 · 22-03-2012, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOrangeSpider

Once again I'm not hating the car -.-

The cars are fine, but they aren't simply the best, and this is what I'm getting at with people basically saying they are.

Thats a massive call saying it aint the best, no car can is the best as everything has flaws, but their is no other car out there that can perform like the GT-R in all aspects with a reasonable price tag.

If the GT-R had a ferrari badge on it, it would be hailed as the best car ever with a million dollar price tag. The only stigma in this thread is people can't see beyond the nissan badge.

XR6Naranja · 22-03-2012, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheese3

Thats a massive call saying it aint the best, no car can is the best as everything has flaws, but their is no other car out there that can perform like the GT-R in all aspects with a reasonable price tag.

If the GT-R had a ferrari badge on it, it would be hailed as the best car ever with a million dollar price tag. The only stigma in this thread is people can't see beyond the nissan badge.

Whoops I was pretty sure I had revised that statement.

But what I'm trying to say anyway is that most GTR fans will go "Oh nothing beats a R35 in a drag race for it's price"

I go get an XR6T mod it, done..

They then say "Oh well, that doesn't mean anything, for the price and from a stand still using the R35's AWD system, you have nothing"

XR6T modded does what, 10 down the quarter for less then 90k, or I believe in Australia 140k...

Then it goes to "Oh well R35 is best around the track for it's price"

And yeah sure that's true, but I don't believe anyone has modded any cars to try and contest that claim.

This is just an attitude I see towards it.

And previously said, a lot of them will argue "Modded vs Stock" but then when it's a Modded Skyline vs Bugatti, it's all "Bugatti is slow, why pay a million dollars when a Skyline beats it" without having any knowledge of the differences in the cars...

Suppose it just frustrates me there is numb skulls who only see their side whether or not it's truth.

SteveJH · 22-03-2012, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6Naranja

And yeah sure that's true, but I don't believe anyone has modded any cars to try and contest that claim.

Something like an Evo or WRX STI shouldn't be too hard to get to a state where they'll beat a stock GT-R around a track.

I'd hate to see what you'd have to do to something like a Falcadore though to get it up to that sort of speed and durability.

Bad Bird · 23-03-2012, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheese3

but their is no other car out there that can perform like the GT-R in all aspects with a reasonable price tag.

In it's home market, the Corvette ZO6 and ZR-1 would be comparable, no?

XR6Naranja · 24-03-2012, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad Bird

In it's home market, the Corvette ZO6 and ZR-1 would be comparable, no?

ZR1 was under a second slower then the GT-R on a quarter.. why? because it's RWD, pretty amazing since most claim RWD obsolete against AWD.

But I'm not sure about around the track results.

wrongwaynorris · 22-03-2012, 07:45 AM

I dnt know what there is to hate about them.

The Average waynekers that own them .

**ebxr8240** · 21-03-2012, 11:38 PM

They race them in a U.S series against Porsche's, Mazda's, Ford GT's, Corvettes etc

Nic85 · 22-03-2012, 06:49 PM

This whole thing about, "You can get an XR6T to do a 10 second quarter for under $90k." Who cares? I can buy a Datsun 120Y shell and put a chook cooker in it and run 9's for under $20k.

I think the stigma attached to the car tends to come from the bad eggs who drive them, and the youtube fan boys are just that, youtube fan boys. Most aren't even old enough to drive yet, and the ones that are, are ignorant enough to form an opinion of a car they most likely have not even driven!

onfire · 22-03-2012, 07:17 PM

Walk down the street with a Holden T-Shirt on and you're bound to cop it from the arrogant Ford fan-boys. It's how it is every where.

Nic85 · 23-03-2012, 07:45 AM

Just for interests sake, here's the video of the GT-R vs Evo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdpBvLlWbXE

On the Evo they upgraded: turbo, intercooler, cams, exhaust, brakes, wheels, suspension.

Block, head, transmission, diffs etc all stick untouched.

Evo came to within 0.10s around Willow Springs.

Ben73 · 23-03-2012, 08:32 AM

You cannot reason with YouTube commenters. They are a different breed. They think they know everything.

This forum has got to be the most open minded car forum I have seen. Most the people here who love fords can also appreciate other cars which is great. I know there are a few hardcore ford fans here who think every Ford ever made is amazing while every other car sucks, but in the end that is thier loss.

XR6Naranja · 23-03-2012, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

You cannot reason with YouTube commenters. They are a different breed. They think they know everything.

This forum has got to be the most open minded car forum I have seen. Most the people here who love fords can also appreciate other cars which is great. I know there are a few hardcore ford fans here who think every Ford ever made is amazing while every other car sucks, but in the end that is thier loss.

Yeah very much agree.

@Nic

Wow that evo barely had anything internal touched, and a lot more, and they wouldn't touch ride height? when it could definitely go lower and stiffer and still be practical.

Not bad.

mik · 24-03-2012, 12:18 AM

it`s like anything , there`s plenty of tall poppy syndrome out there, if an F6 or GT or a HSV did the 0 to 60 in 2 seconds there would be just as many haters out there singing praises for something else and bagging them.

**CAT600** · 24-03-2012, 03:09 PM

Also, to the OP..... FWIW I agree there are plenty of fanboys out there that $h!t me off too.

The GT-R is worth batting for, but blind allegience is exactly that.

Daniel

XR6Naranja · 24-03-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CAT600

Also, to the OP..... FWIW I agree there are plenty of fanboys out there that $h!t me off too.

The GT-R is worth batting for, but blind allegience is exactly that.

Daniel

Yeah sounds all good to me.

The ONLY problem I had with your reply to me is that turning traction control off apparently voids warranty? through a black box?

I'd totally own one, but I would blind bat it when I'm defending it, same as I don't blind bat it when I'm defending Ford.

It'd be a nice car to drive around, better fuel efficiency then my current car 0.o

And basically faster then anything on the road in this town.

But yeah I can definitely say some of those people give me frustration issues lol.

nstg8a · 24-03-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6Naranja

Yeah sounds all good to me.

The ONLY problem I had with your reply to me is that turning traction control off apparently voids warranty? through a black box?

I'd totally own one, but I would blind bat it when I'm defending it, same as I don't blind bat it when I'm defending Ford.

It'd be a nice car to drive around, better fuel efficiency then my current car 0.o

And basically faster then anything on the road in this town.

But yeah I can definitely say some of those people give me frustration issues lol.

i think you will find its launch control that can void the warennty. which was deleted on the first aus delivered gtr's anyway.

XR6Naranja · 24-03-2012, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

i think you will find its launch control that can void the warennty. which was deleted on the first aus delivered gtr's anyway.

Fair enough.

**CAT600** · 24-03-2012, 06:10 PM

The MY12 (2011) does not void warranty when performing launch mode

Daniel

Nic85 · 24-03-2012, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CAT600

The MY12 (2011) does not void warranty when performing launch mode

Daniel

Nissan fixed this in the first GT-R update. The first itteration of launch control was very brutal and basically "dumped" the clutches and put a tremendous amount of shock through the driveline (imagine 500hp and 600Nm of torque smashing to the ground through those 285 section 20" rims at all 4 wheels!)

The second itteration of the GT-R used a "softer" launch where it slipped the clutches for a split second before applying full throttle. The result was 0-100km/h in 3.2s, and has since been tweaked more and more engine power has got that down to 2.8s for the 2012 model.

The transmission was also sufficiently beefed up.

**CAT600** · 24-03-2012, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Nic85

Nissan fixed this in the first GT-R update. The first itteration of launch control was very brutal and basically "dumped" the clutches and put a tremendous amount of shock through the driveline (imagine 500hp and 600Nm of torque smashing to the ground through those 285 section 20" rims at all 4 wheels!)

The second itteration of the GT-R used a "softer" launch where it slipped the clutches for a split second before applying full throttle. The result was 0-100km/h in 3.2s, and has since been tweaked more and more engine power has got that down to 2.8s for the 2012 model.

The transmission was also sufficiently beefed up.

Yep what little reading I have done on SAU and other Nissan forums there is a circlip that fails in the transfer case on 09/10 cars (and to be honest it may still be an issue in the later cars) but Willall have a fix for it.... other than that the stock cars are pretty damn reliable in stock form.

After racking up close to 3,000kms in effectively 27 days (my two swings at home) I cant pick a fault with the car, maybe the aircon is too cold is the closest I can get to knocking it!

Daniel

MITCHAY · 24-03-2012, 09:45 PM

I would very much like a GTR. I never seen a car move so quick when they first came out. Launch control + anti lag would be killer.

Franco Cozzo · 24-03-2012, 11:11 PM

What I really like about the car is how it can be driven every day without fuss and it has so many gadgets/electrics involved, more than you can poke a stick at.

I reckon this car would be at the top when it comes to implementation of the CANBUS system, there would be so many modules all talking to each other.

It would be the perfect car to have at our TAFE

Surely the $130,000,000 they spent could include one of these.

**CAT600** · 24-03-2012, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

What I really like about the car is how it can be driven every day without fuss.........

Nissan tout it as the everyday supercar..... I back their call 100.0%, its a fantastic car in any situation, switch the suspension to "comfort" and the diff/trans setting to "Normal" or "Save" and its far better behaved than a tied down Falcon, switch to "R" on all three and its the most focussed road car i've ever been in.... fast in any situation and it needs serious provocation to unsettle.

I've had the car stepped right out quite a few times now before the computer reigns you in, and I can assure you that turning the TC off would not be a wise move on the streets unless you were absolutley, intimately and ultimatley familiar with this car........... i'm a reasonable peddler and I wouldnt do it.

Daniel

Shonky. · 24-03-2012, 11:17 PM

I am suffering category 5 car envy right now.

I would do bad bad things to own a new GTR

**CAT600** · 24-03-2012, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shonkymofo

I am suffering category 5 car envy right now.

I would do bad bad things to own a new GTR

Anyone reading this........... if you are considering building a car along the lines of Texy's Scud, Pauls GTP, Colville's Wasp, my two, etc etc etc.....

Here's my 2c:

Go drive a GT-R, weigh it all up, then consider forgetting the Ford build, and going and opening a savings account.

Everyone on here who knows me and my passion for fast Fords and the love and determination that has gone into my two builds will not take what I am about to say lightly, but right now I could:

Own the Terminator,
Own an '09 GT-R and,
(Still) be paying off my '11 GT-R.

The '09 would be getting modded..... the 50K saved on the price difference between a used '09 and what the AluminaTTor owes would be very well used....

Daniel

Shonky. · 24-03-2012, 11:24 PM

So good when a hero car is brought back into production and the contemporay does the classic proud too.