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Bottom line Market share has to increase no if's or but's If they can't sell enough of them they won't build them Mitsubishi stopped making the magna because they couldn't sell any It's that simple Forum posts no matter how pasionate won't save the falcon |
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The big question is whether the volume mix of Falcon to Territory is correct, should Ford be building more Territorys and less Falcons? Sounds like Ford thinks so and could be an eloquent way to continue Falcon as the junior partner to Territory. The fact that Ford is prepared to keep building until 2016 and try different things means they they haven't given up... So neither should we... Thank you Geoff Polites.. |
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The FG is a big change from the BA/BF falcon...more then a evolution...it is a revolution.
The AU was still, at its heart, and E-Series falcon. With the EA being a huge re imaging of the basic falcon platform that had existed from the XR right through to the XF The FG gave us a falcon with a different door frame arangment, unlike the EA-BF where the doors shut into the roof. Then there is the composite radiator support, a move away from the 3-box shape that the falcon had since the XK. And now we have a turbo 4 pot, something that would have never been on people's minds when the XK rolled out. The EA started out as a car that could sit up there with the Euro's in style, and over the years it filterd out. We got the AU, australias brave attempt at not only pleasing fords global design language, but head office...who had proposed its own american designed vision with the AU. The BA came around, not as radical or challanging as the AU, But a safe camry-ish design to fit into the marketplace. The FG is the EA 20 years later. And the situation is repeated...XD, EA, AU where all ment to be replaced with something else...
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I had an EB falcon fairmont that had to have just about the entire front end replaced 6 months in I also had a VS Commodore that wrecked 3water pumps in 12 months What do they say about people that live in glass houses ![]() |
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FTW Falcon.
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it basically costs the same to build a Territory as a Falcon but Ford arguably gets more return on the Territory and since the money has already been spent on SZ and FG II, so all that left is to build as many of each that buyers want, there's still plenty of revenue that can be recovered over the next four years even at a meagre 36,000 per year, that's still around 150,000 sales in the next four years or around $4.5 billion in revenue, all for a piddling $103 million extra...in 2014 and half of that comes from the government.. |
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Once again, do you have any official figures to back up your claims, or is this just the usual hearsay/speculation? I think its the latter. |
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I merely state a projection of revenue based on current sales x 48 months x a very soft $30,000 per sale. Ford received $103 million for 2014 update, $53 million came from Victoria and federal governments. I can't make it more simple than that, Now run away you red shirt troll.. And for the record, I believe that Holden's revenue from local production will be $12 billion over the same period.... Last edited by jpd80; 16-06-2012 at 09:32 PM. |
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Unlike some who like to snipe, I'm prepared to accept if I'm wrong but I don't understand the attack.
Can anyone totally refute what I said in my post as being completely wrong or specualtive in the extreme? The 36,000 I refer to below is for combined Falcon-Territory-Ute production. Quote:
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Revenue figures always look good
What you need to factor in is cost Do you know what fords production costs are going to be over that same period Revenue Less cost Equals profit which is what matters , these guys are not a non for profit organization No profit = no falcon and the loss of jobs which is the real tradgety |
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Do you have official figures in front of you showing the actual cost of building a Falcon compared to a Territory? I didn't think so. How then, can you make such claims? The only people who can provide truly accurate information in this regard are those who hold positions within the companies themselves, and clearly you do not. If I went back through your posts I could find plenty of your claims which have been proven to be false or inaccurate, so maybe you shouldn't keep putting across hearsay/speculation/theories/opinions as fact. |
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I still think the falcon sales wouldn't be a problem if they actually advertised the freaking things -_-
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The total cost of Ford Australia's production activity in terms of sales to other regions also has to be considered. Holden does the same with engines, parts, power trains and lots of parts from off shore suppliers so the true value of local production to each car maker is not as easy as a profit per car analysis, not when our cars may well be giving other regions income as well.. Eg, we look at the local revenue of Holden at $3.0 billion and see costs but GM charges itself for supplying a lot of parts and likewise, Ford does the same. On top of all of that, there's no guarantee that switching to other vehicles would give the same or better income, so there's no rush to change away from local production. Last edited by jpd80; 16-06-2012 at 10:23 PM. |
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Exactly
I am in agreeance with you entirely So I go back to what I have been saying all along The falcon will live or die by how much money it does or doesn't make nothing else will matter , it is that black and white, forget everything else ... Does any one else understand this, you know profit , IT HAS TO BE PROFITABLE do we now all understand Now, I have worked with Ford , Toyota and Holden for many years and all the indicators point to very difficult times a head for both of our local iconic motor cars Let's hope they can survive as we need them here building motor cars So that's all I have to say on the subject Thank you umpire, thank you ball boys Going back to talking about classic fords as they are more fun ! Cheers to all |
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When Holden dropped the Kingswood and replaced it with the VB generation commodores buyers left in droves and as a result they were soundly dominated in the market from XD-ED, they almost went out of business but they still bounced back so I dont entirely believe your theory has to much of an effect. As for GT sales I thought they were always steady?
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I also believe the market has a short term memory. In reference to my previous post the XF was the biggest selling Falcon of all time and soundly dominated the VL Commodore 278,101 to 151,801. Even with Brock and HDT selling cars like hot cakes it never translated to the bread and butter models. Holden still went on to great heights in the 90s(LS1 era anyone :( lol) The rebirth of the Monaro was great for the fan base but in reality its sales(failed export program aside) weren't so spectacular, hence no VE Munro. Just my opinion so could be wrong but I believe the AU situation was completely rectified by the BA and BF model cycles.
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You made reference to jpd's posts before but to be honest all of your posts that i've seen are all negative without fail. Why so serious? lol
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knowing how Ford has worked to contain costs internally, I'm pretty comfortable with my posts. All I'd say is look at the historic sale price of XR6 and Terry RWD I-6, they're reasonably close.. I do a lot of research and have some good friends at Ford and Holden as well as contacts in the US. Sometimes my Info is good, other times I come up with a lemon, but I 'fess up when wrong.. ![]() |
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Wouldnt question your posts.
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Sometimes my sources are way off but most times they are on the money. Hidden amongst the blather are grains of truth, it up to smart people to see it. Last edited by jpd80; 17-06-2012 at 02:15 AM. |
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the only good news if ford shuts up shop is holden wont be long after which is good means all the holden trolls on this forum can finally f o
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Regardless of what people think today of AU it is a great car. I hated it when it came out and loved VT like most others. Having owned VT11 senator signature, VU SS, VY SS sedan and VZ SS ute I can say the AU holds its own to these cars. Sure it lacks the power but it still sounds great and it's a beautiful drive. My last new car was the VZ SS and haven't found a suitable car from either Holden and ford. We've currently gone back to VY SS and AU xr8 simply because we like how these cars drive much more than the current series of both camps. The FG was nice for about 50km but over 500km I was well sick of it. VE just doesn't do it for me.
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I look at my father in Law's AU Fairmont Ghia, the interior wreaks of true luxury, it was well finished. |
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More down days in July including another down week, not good but at least
it looks like Ford is resisting a down balance of production line speed and employees. I wonder if another increase in Territory production would allow Ford to swap those discounted Falcon sedans for discounted TX RWD Territory, offering the I-6 RWD for $34,990 drive away might get the markets blood going where it's been indifferent to the large sedan...the market seems hungry for SUVs so why not try a different tack. |
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While this would at first glance sound like something hard to prove, I can show how this is plausible by data in the public arena - we need only look at the the annual sale of Territory SR and Falcon SR which were sold for very similar prices, it was Geoff Polites wish that as many wagon owners as possible would transfer over to the RWD Territory and to do that, the price had to be similar andtuntil the SZ Territory arrived, the bulk of Territory sales were in fact RWD I-6s of mostly TX and TS. So the plan worked but Territory needed the diesel years ago to build the other side of the business.. Short story, If Falcon SR and Territory SR (RWD) were that different in build costs, Ford would have never offered them for near similar prices. Back on topic, IMO, Ford should build more RWD I-6 Territorys and less XR6 sedans, the market clearly wants SUVs, not large sedans. So there's a great opportunity to switch production emphasis and follow the trend without costing an arm and a leg. Last edited by jpd80; 17-06-2012 at 12:16 PM. |
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