Vfacts dec 2013 - Page 3

Adamz Ghia · 07-01-2014, 08:11 PM

I don't like bugging people to get figures for each model each month, so I'll ask where do you guys get the numbers from...?

Oldbugger · 07-01-2014, 08:59 PM

In the industry, we see them day 3

csv8 · 07-01-2014, 11:15 PM

Trax outsold Ecosport ????...I haven't seen an ad for the Ecosport..Trax, yes, guy falling of jetty......

Smoke Pursuit · 08-01-2014, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Trax outsold Ecosport ????...I haven't seen an ad for the Ecosport..Trax, yes, guy falling of jetty......

Trax dealer demos. Ecosport was short supplied.

Chopped · 08-01-2014, 01:03 AM

Not sure why people are saying the VF failed.
I believe the commodore sold close to 28000 units for the year.
10000 of those were the VE in run out mode up until June.
So the VF has sold 18000 units in the remaining 6 months, not a bad turnaround considering large sedans are on the nose with a lot of buyers.

The FG sold just over 10000 units for the whole 12 months.

The Aurion sold just under 7000 units in 12 months and that includes the new model!

Food for thought ......

b0son · 08-01-2014, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chopped

Not sure why people are saying the VF failed.

Its the same tired arguments...

Holden sold more because they spend too much on marketing
Holden sold more because they put lots of pointless gadgets in the car
Holden sold more because they bankroll the best V8SC teams

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. Holden sold more.

Gadgetman · 08-01-2014, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MrZ

No, they didn't reach 30,000.

Falcon: 10610
Territory: 14261
Ute: 4679

That comes to 29,550.

Don't think you got NZ and 100 Thai terries in there pal.

tezxr8man · 08-01-2014, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Gadgetman

Fiesta, Focus and Ranger simple answer. Ford's marketing is woeful at best. WZ fiesta has been out for 7 weeks albeit in Ambiente and Trend models. Ecosport now nearly a month and no ads. All that's been is a couple of billboards and electronic marketing. Make a car sound exciting and it will sell!!!!!.

that's just a perfect example right there, think how much more Australian stuff they would sell if it was marketed properly also

Falcman0o7 · 08-01-2014, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Forevermore

Wow, the only model that outsold the Falcon was the Ranger, and it wasn't by much.

I hope Ford pull their finger out by 2016.....

Their finger has been in their bum for a very very long time :(

They all need to get together and work that finger out....

vztrt · 08-01-2014, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadgetman

Don't think you got NZ and 100 Thai terries in there pal.

Only 50 Thai terri's went this year.

**russellw** · 08-01-2014, 01:26 PM

The 4th Quarter Segment Review is now uploaded to the Technical Portal.

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BHDOGS · 08-01-2014, 02:29 PM

lmao holden sold more congrats to them there still leaving so who gives a ****

Bossxr8 · 08-01-2014, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chopped

Not sure why people are saying the VF failed.
I believe the commodore sold close to 28000 units for the year.
10000 of those were the VE in run out mode up until June.
So the VF has sold 18000 units in the remaining 6 months, not a bad turnaround considering large sedans are on the nose with a lot of buyers.

The FG sold just over 10000 units for the whole 12 months.

The Aurion sold just under 7000 units in 12 months and that includes the new model!

Food for thought ......

Commodore sales were down 25% for the year. VF did nothing to reverse that, and once the initial demand wears off it will continue to sink.

It failed.

Bossxr8 · 08-01-2014, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadgetman

I don't think the govt will bend over so maybe no FG2 ??

No chance of that happening, all the money has been spent. They will just have to take measures to get out as many FG's as they can and build the hell out of the 201X. They will push Territory hard as it's the only one still selling ok.

This year 30k should be achieveable, but it's the year after that that might be the hardest. If they can't come close to 30k come 2015 they will probably pull up stumps. At least they will have some fresher product to flog though so who knows.

Maybe they will stockpile cars and just shut the factory earlier and live off the stockpile instead of building more.

Focused · 08-01-2014, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

I'm talking about the *new* Focus ad that has only started airing in the past week or so. Makes me want to gnaw my arm off.

Oh I haven't seen a new ad. I'll have to keep an eye out for it.

b0son · 08-01-2014, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

This year 30k should be achieveable

What brand are you talking about, because it certainly can't be Ford. FG hasn't got a prayer this year, FH is simply too many months away and FG is already being discounted a lot. Are they going to do run-outs at a loss?

Focused · 08-01-2014, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Trax outsold Ecosport ????...I haven't seen an ad for the Ecosport..Trax, yes, guy falling of jetty......

Only the Titanium is currently on sale with the Ambiente and Trend due next month.

Auslandau · 08-01-2014, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Focused

Oh I haven't seen a new ad. I'll have to keep an eye out for it.

Yeah ...... pretty good ad.

"Oh look .... another Focus driver ...... HELLO!!!!!! Said in an extremely non manly way. I can't say too much else or would have to delete the post and put myself on notice! Not inspiring for 'blokes' who want to buy one is all I can say!

new2ford · 08-01-2014, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

Top 10 countries of origin
1 Japan - 362,058
2 Thailand - 228,479
3 South Korea - 134,953
4 Australia - 118,510
5 Germany - 75,883
6 US - 35,916
7 England - 35,106
8 India - 19,794
9 Czech Republic - 19,232
10 Spain - 16,300

What particular models sold here are manufactured in UK, US, India and Spain?

XR Martin · 08-01-2014, 08:00 PM

UK: Jag, Bentley, Rolls, Honda Civic Hatch, Land Rover
Spain: Navara
US: Jeep, Chrysler, Dodge
India: Ecosport, Micra, I20

Just off the top of my head

Iggle Piggle · 08-01-2014, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Auslandau

Yeah ...... pretty good ad.

"Oh look .... another Focus driver ...... HELLO!!!!!! Said in an extremely non manly way. I can't say too much else or would have to delete the post and put myself on notice! Not inspiring for 'blokes' who want to buy one is all I can say!

Guy reminds me of that James Mathison fella (if any of you are one of the 3 people that watch channel 10's morning show you will know who I mean).

Could this whole 30k a year requirement see them try to get the next Falcon out sooner rather than later so that they have a chance of hitting that target? Sure the new model will see sales pick up when it is released, but could sales slump too much in the meantime if people hold out for the new model. giving them no hope of hitting 30k even when sales pick up with the new model?

csv8 · 08-01-2014, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Focused

Only the Titanium is currently on sale with the Ambiente and Trend due next month.

Ecosport shouldn't have been released until all models are available. I know Ford did it to get the car out ,there. But people will be put off by the $28k price tag. When they could have the Ambiente for $22k...Which other car company releases a model with not all levels immediately available ?????? It gets back to Fords marketing strategies???

b0son · 08-01-2014, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Iggle Piggle

Could this whole 30k a year requirement see them try to get the next Falcon out sooner rather than later

I don't recall Ford getting anything on time, let alone early, in recent years.

Road_Warrior · 08-01-2014, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Auslandau

Yeah ...... pretty good ad.

"Oh look .... another Focus driver ...... HELLO!!!!!! Said in an extremely non manly way. I can't say too much else or would have to delete the post and put myself on notice! Not inspiring for 'blokes' who want to buy one is all I can say!

Yes I was going to use more colourful terms but I'd probably get in trouble

Needless to say watching that muppet carry on like he is a goddamn peacock would be enough to put me OFF buying a Focus!

MrZ · 09-01-2014, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

UK: Jag, Bentley, Rolls, Honda Civic Hatch, Land Rover
Spain: Navara
US: Jeep, Chrysler, Dodge
India: Ecosport, Micra, I20

Just off the top of my head

Also, the just superseded Pathfinder (Navara-based) came from Spain.

From the US, don't forget the Holden Volt, as well as the Mercedes ML and GL, and BMW X3, X5, X6, and Z4. The new (non-Navara based) Pathfinder also comes from the US, as does the upcoming new Toyota Kluger. And of course, the Fiat Freemont (Dodge Journey twin).

I can easily see the number of vehicles coming from the US almost doubling next year, as we'll have the new Pathfinder, Kluger, and compact Cherokee adding to the tally.

**Dave R** · 09-01-2014, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Commodore sales were down 25% for the year. VF did nothing to reverse that, and once the initial demand wears off it will continue to sink.

It failed.

Depends on how you look at it. Falcon, Commodore and Aurion are competing in a segment that is rapidly shrinking every year. Comparing this year's sales to last year's is pointless, the large car segment is dead and a mildly refreshed Commodore that was only on the market for half of the year was never going to reverse that.

However, in the frame of its segment, the Commodore murdered its competitors in 2013. It managed to increase its market share to over 52%, while Falcon and Aurion both declined (to 20% and 13% respectively). Let's not forget, Aurion is a new model too. So, Commodore sold more than every other large car on the market, combined. In my book that certainly isn't what I'd consider a failure. It's hard to blame the car when the market has walked away from the segment.

Chopped · 09-01-2014, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Commodore sales were down 25% for the year. VF did nothing to reverse that, and once the initial demand wears off it will continue to sink.

It failed.

25%??!! I'm curious where you got that figure ?

2012 total sales 30532
2013 total sales 27766 (10301VE / 17465VF < approx 70% increase for the last 6 months)

Around a 9% drop overall. Let's not forget the VF has only been out for 6 months.
The whole of the large sedan market dropped about 16% so it defied the odds in that regard.

Falcon down 24% (Old model so fair enough)
Aurion down 24% (New model, ouch)

Jan - June 2014 figure will be interesting to see for VF

Mazda3, Corolla & HiLux were the standouts for 2013 and shows where the market has headed.

Joe5619 · 09-01-2014, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Commodore sales were down 25% for the year. VF did nothing to reverse that, and once the initial demand wears off it will continue to sink.

It failed.

Lets put some facts behind this clam!!

VF on sale 2nd half in 2013

Commdore
2nd half 2012: 14,672
2nd half 2013: 17,465.

That is an increase of 19%.. I'd hardly call a 19% increase a fail? You must have high standards!!

Wretched · 09-01-2014, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

Lets put some facts behind this clam!!

VF on sale 2nd half in 2013

Commdore
2nd half 2012: 14,672
2nd half 2013: 17,465.

That is an increase of 19%.. I'd hardly call a 19% increase a fail? You must have high standards!!

dammit, why did you have to go and ruin the fun with facts

**russellw** · 09-01-2014, 10:16 AM

The annual summary has now been uploaded into the Technical Portal

Cheers
Russ